"N2EY" wrote:

Then the contract should be changed because
it's not cost-effective in the long run.


It often costs more to change a contract than it does to simply live with
a minor inefficiency. Nobody is losing that much money. It's just an
irratation to constantly buy new fans.


I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect them
to do so! It's part of life in a modern industrialized
society with global trade.


I've been going in circles with Kim over this very subject. People
(consumers) purchase hundreds of items each year. Products constantly
change, meaning ongoing research for each item would be required. Because of
that, consumers simply don't have the time or the informational resources to
even superficially research each of the items they purchase. I certainly
don't do it and I seriously doubt you do either (however, Kim says she
does).


They don't have to. The govt. requires all sorts of
labels on all sorts of items, which means all one
needs to know is how to interpret those labels.
Outfits like Consumer's Union do product testing
so we don't have to. And the 'net gives us access
to enormous amounts of information.


Do remember we're talking about the economy. Labels are not going to tell
us which companies are moving factories overseas, or which are paying their
employees decent wages, or which are using illegal immigrants, or which are
using materials made overseas, which are using sweatshop labor, or so on.
And the internet does give us access to enormous amounts of information -
most of it biased, agenda-filled, garbage. Getting accurate and reliable
information is the hard part. Government at least tries to offer info about
larger corporations, but who offers that info when it comes to the stores,
businesses, and factories, in my hometown (or in hometowns around the
country)?


And it doesn't take a degree in economics to know
that if enough people stop going to Ma's Diner and
instead patronize Taco Heaven, that Ma's is going
to go out of business.


Consumers don't act as a single body, Jim. When was the last time you
pondered what other consumers are doing when you went to a restaurant?
Without doing so, there is no way to know other people have stopped going to
Ma's Diner. Instead, you go to Taco Heaven assuming everything is just fine
over at Ma's Diner. Other consumers do the same. Most only discover there's
a problem at Ma's Diner when they see the going out of business sign. The
same pattern plays out in other markets (Wal-Mart versus local stores and so
on).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"N2EY" wrote:

Then the contract should be changed because
it's not cost-effective in the long run.

It often costs more to change a contract than it does to simply live with
a minor inefficiency. Nobody is losing that much money. It's just an
irratation to constantly buy new fans.

If the old one was that great, why isn't it still running?

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect them
to do so! It's part of life in a modern industrialized
society with global trade.

I've been going in circles with Kim over this very subject. People
(consumers) purchase hundreds of items each year. Products constantly
change, meaning ongoing research for each item would be required. Because of
that, consumers simply don't have the time or the informational resources to
even superficially research each of the items they purchase. I certainly
don't do it and I seriously doubt you do either (however, Kim says she
does).

It isn't necessary to research each and every item you buy, Dwight.
I certainly do research before I make big purchases and I make my
decision after weighing a number of factors including quality, where an
item is made and how much it costs. With items like TV's and VCR's, I
only worry about quality and price. There haven't been any of those
devices made in this country in years.

Take amateur radio gear as an example. Did you buy the "plastic fan" of
amateur radio equipment? Was it made in the U.S.? I run Ten-Tec gear
despite price. I get a superior performance from a transceiver made in
the U.S. I could have gotten a cheaper radio made in Japan.

And it doesn't take a degree in economics to know
that if enough people stop going to Ma's Diner and
instead patronize Taco Heaven, that Ma's is going
to go out of business.

Consumers don't act as a single body, Jim. When was the last time you
pondered what other consumers are doing when you went to a restaurant?
Without doing so, there is no way to know other people have stopped going to
Ma's Diner. Instead, you go to Taco Heaven assuming everything is just fine
over at Ma's Diner. Other consumers do the same. Most only discover there's
a problem at Ma's Diner when they see the going out of business sign. The
same pattern plays out in other markets (Wal-Mart versus local stores and so
on).

Then no one who isn't eating at Ma's should wring his hands when it
closes if they've spent their money Taco Heaven. I buy major appliances
from a local fellow. Part of it is good will. Part of it pure
selfishness on my part. When something breaks, the local fellow comes
right out to make repairs. I don't have to schedule a visit by a fellow
40 miles away. I just bought a quarter of beef. The steer was standing
out in a field a few days ago. I paid $2.00/lb and the only middle man
is the fellow who cut, wrapped and froze it.

By the way, we've noticed no BPL rollout here in West, by God, Virginia.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote:
Dwight Stewart wrote:

It often costs more to change a contract than it
does to simply live with a minor inefficiency. Nobody
is losing that much money. It's just an irratation to
constantly buy new fans.

If the old one was that great, why isn't it still running?


You obviously missed some of the conversation, Dave. I was complaining
about the quality of plastic fans today and how I couldn't find better ones
locally. When Jim asked why I bought fans locally (instead of shopping on
the internet), I explained the fans were purchased under the terms of a
business contract. Jim suggested the contract should be changed. And this is
about where you came in to read my reply above.


It isn't necessary to research each and every item you
buy, Dwight. (snip)


Actually, I was trying to make the point that we wouldn't have to so
diligently research products if government and business was held to a higher
standard when it comes to the economy. I've posted more details about that
in other messages, so I won't repeat it again here.


By the way, we've noticed no BPL rollout here in West,
by God, Virginia.


Yep, this thread has covered just about everything except that recently,
hasn't it? As you know, it's pretty much the nature of these newsgroups to
stray off into other topics in any given thread.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Dave Heil" wrote:

It isn't necessary to research each and every item you
buy, Dwight. (snip)


Actually, I was trying to make the point that we wouldn't have to so
diligently research products if government and business was held to a
higher
standard when it comes to the economy. I've posted more details about that
in other messages, so I won't repeat it again here.


But, you've already stated, Dwight, that people [paraphrasing] are too
stupid and don't have the time to research their shopping products. So, how
in the world are they going to be smart enough to choose the right people
for government to "a-d-v-i-s-e" the public on what they should be shopping
for? Hell, the government *and* business--the corporate world--are two of
the most corrupt entities!! You apparently haven't been paying a bit of
attention for the last couple of years.

You want to throw out these wild statements and then you follow up with some
kind of clue that you don't have one (a clue).

Kim W5TIT

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

But, you've already stated, Dwight, that people
[paraphrasing] are too stupid and don't have the
time to research their shopping products. (snip)


No, Kim, you're not paraphrasing - you're flat out lying.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/