In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

Poor Lennie, not only caught in a lie, but now trying to cover it up. Not
good for a Electronical Mechanic there Lennie.

Poor Dan. Nobody can fix his stupid.

Go back and READ the first post in the thread.

NO "cover up." ARRL was LATE AGAIN with "news."

Now cover yourself with aluminum foil so the geomagnetic storm
won't hurt you or your code key.

LHA

In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Why should the ARRL bother you? You aren't a member and you have
nothing to do with amateur radio. On with your quest, Don Quixote!

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Sancho Panza sitting on his ass mouthing off
again...making the windmills turn with his remarks...

LHA

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

It is obvious that someone from HQ--probably that pesky Ed Hare--saw
your post and quickly threw something together for the ARRL web site,
just to make you look silly.

Hardly, Sancho. Now get back on your ass and look for more
windmills.

Giddyap.

LHA

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

Take your lithium.

Lithium Ion, sweetums. Battery. Replacement for my watch last
month. Good for another seven years.

Throw away your used-book-store "Physician's Desk Reference"
and that surplus Sharps box. You can't practice medicine with
an amateur radio license.

You can't even inject a good comment in here.

LHA

In article , "charlesb"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

That "news copy" was on the ARRL website opening page.

There is NO corroboration of that information with any other
commercial news service.

Gee, what an ignorant asshole!

It's not nice to call other commercial news services "assholes."

LHA

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

Poor Poor Lennie, he is getting worse and worse. He fails to comprehend
that professional news reporters get paid, and by golly, its their job.

The ARRL is more interested in compilling the events and accuratly reporting
the information to the amateur community. Not you Lennie, since you not a
licensed operator.

And of course the ham operators are not in the news. They hardly ever are.
Real emergency operators don't seek publicity. They are there to do a job
and don't have time for talking with paid reporters. They are much too busy
trying to save lives.

As for your 'swipe' at the National Traffic System. It is fine and going
strong Lennie. I operate both SSB and CW sessions on a nightly basis. Not
to mention my Military Affiliate Radio System networks.

Tell me Lennie....what do you contribute to your community and nation?

Dan/W4NTI

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article et,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

You need confirmation of my U. S. military service, Dannie?
Contact NARA in St. Louis (National Archives and Records Agency).
It's all there. Have them search for Army serial number RA16408336
beginning March 13, 1952.

LHA

Why bother Lennie? You know full well they were burned up in that fire.
Or
don't you?

Not mine. Some, yes. Never had any problems with FBI, IRS, etc.
on any government agency corroborations of past service records.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you should read ALL the pages at NARA's website,
not just the headlines.

Give yourself another title again.

LHA

Poor Lennie, still not taking your meds as prescribed, eh?

Dan/W4NTI

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
blah blah blah.......

Len, I feel sorry for you as there can be no telethon for you and people
like you.
There is just no cure for dumbass. :,-(




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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:23:43 -0500, ARRL Sucks wrote:

The ARRL is a Yankee organization, run by Yankees
who think the center of the universe is New England.

Hams in Hawaii have been asking for years to have
QST bulk air-mailed to Hawaii, the same as all other
publishers do to ensure timely delivery. ARRL has
been farting off Hawaii hams for years. Screw the
League!

This issue has been kicking around the ARRL Pacific Division
"cabinet" for almost 15 years that I know of (I was in same until 4
years ago). The problem is that the Postal Service wants a big hunk
of money for air mail to individual subscribers - the League would
have to assess a healthy surcharge to Pacific Section members to
make up the difference. You don't want that sort of "special
treatment".

Conversely, contracting bulk-shipping and local mailing out to a
third party is not cheap either - same surcharge problem, same "you
don't want to have to pay it".

The third option that major periodicals take is to electronically
ship the copy to Honolulu and print it there. That works only
for large volume - not for the several thousand ARRL members in the
Section.

I wish there was a better solution.

The glories of living in Paradise, eh?

Aloha

M'halo.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , JJ

writes:

I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?

I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956.

All by yourself - or were there over 700 other personnel at that installation?

I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).

That's nice, Len. But it has nothing to do with amateur radio. As you say of
others "You live in the past too much"

I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license.

On January 19, 2000, you proclaimed here that you 'were going for Extra right
out of the box'. But you didn't say when, and in the ~46 months since then you
haven't done it.

Mostly because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

Then why are you so interested in amateur radio policy? Everyone is allowed to
be interested, of course, but it seems very odd that someone who has been "a
professional in radio-electronics for a half century" and who makes so many
posts to this amateur radio newsgroup would not have gotten a license and set
up an amateur station in all that time.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?

You've never worked for the FCC in any capacity, Len. You've never been a
lawyer or a "regulator".

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

And if you try to read all of Len's verbiage, you'll need a bit of time,
because most of his 'documents' are 14 to 20 pages long. Total commentary, most
of it highly repititious, runs to several hundred pages.

Now of course anyone can flood the FCC with comments, but such wordiness is
counterproductive. Some poor soul at FCC has to read all that stuff.

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

Maybe sufficient sense to avoid being harassed by you, Len. Like the time you
sent me several unsolicited emails with very large attachments. Others received
the same emails. I didn't bother to waste the connection time and disk space to
download them, but others tell me that at least one of them was a picture of a
naked man - fortunately not facing the camera. You thought it was "funny".
Others did not.

N2EY wrote:


On January 19, 2000, you proclaimed here that you 'were going for Extra right
out of the box'. But you didn't say when, and in the ~46 months since then you
haven't done it.


Mostly because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

Means he can recognize a radio when he see one 35% of the time.


Then why are you so interested in amateur radio policy? Everyone is allowed to
be interested, of course, but it seems very odd that someone who has been "a
professional in radio-electronics for a half century" and who makes so many
posts to this amateur radio newsgroup would not have gotten a license and set
up an amateur station in all that time.

He can't pass the test.

Len Over 21 wrote:
It's also time that the Newington crowd recognized that MOST of
the United States and MOST of the radio amateurs it is supposed
to represent live WEST of the Mississippi.

?? From the FCC license data the AH0A web site finds 364,000 licensed
amateurs live east of the Mississippi and 315,000 live west of the
Mississippi (for the remaining few thousand the state apparently
couldn't be determined).

Dennis Ferguson

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

Yet another of Lennie's examples of "professional engineering" civil
debate.

Caught up in his own lying again.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve,

I think 'JJ' is right...Lennie can't pass the test.

Dan/W4NTI

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Why should the ARRL bother you? You aren't a member and you have
nothing to do with amateur radio. On with your quest, Don Quixote!

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Sancho Panza sitting on his ass mouthing off
again...making the windmills turn with his remarks...

I believe you have it turned around again, Leonard. I've been a
licensed radio amateur for decades and have been a life member of the
ARRL for over 25 years. You are the non-radio amateur and non-ARRL
member sitting on whichever end you sit on and blowing hot air on topics
in which you have no part.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

It is obvious that someone from HQ--probably that pesky Ed Hare--saw
your post and quickly threw something together for the ARRL web site,
just to make you look silly.

Hardly, Sancho. Now get back on your ass and look for more
windmills.

Giddyap.

Perhaps you believe it to be an eastern headquartered organization's
attempt to discredit you personally. ARRL isn't a broadcast news
organization and you have no idea of what contributions radio amateurs
have made in the efforts to douse California's fires. Your sniping from
the sidelines makes you look silly.

Dave K8MN

The Newsline folks have an on the scene report from a Red Cross Shelter right
near ther fireline. I guess thats the difference between being there or being
3000 miles away. Go to www.arnewsline.org and click on their newscast number at
the top of thir page. Its in mp3 audio.

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 22:43:39 -0500, Kimo wrote:

What a stupid moronic reply to the poster's remarks about
bulk air mail delivery to Hawaii. You missed the point.

WHO mised the point? The reply was that SOMEONE has to pay for the
extra service, one way or the other.

I was in on those discussions in the 1990s. Were you?

Do you have a better alternative that won't cost money? Do you
expect the League to eat the extra cost just because you live
halfway around the world? When I worked in the Middle East my QSTs
came by slow boat - literally - some 6 weeks later unless I wanted
them sent by air mail at my expense (which I did).

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Former ARRL Assistant Pacific Division Director

I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event. I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham radio.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense! (
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

Poor Poor Lennie, he is getting worse and worse. He fails to comprehend
that professional news reporters get paid, and by golly, its their job.

The ARRL is more interested in compilling the events and accuratly
reporting
the information to the amateur community. Not you Lennie, since you not
a
licensed operator.

And of course the ham operators are not in the news. They hardly ever
are.
Real emergency operators don't seek publicity. They are there to do a job
and don't have time for talking with paid reporters. They are much too
busy
trying to save lives.

As for your 'swipe' at the National Traffic System. It is fine and going
strong Lennie. I operate both SSB and CW sessions on a nightly basis.
Not
to mention my Military Affiliate Radio System networks.

Tell me Lennie....what do you contribute to your community and nation?

Dan/W4NTI

The ARRL leaves that up to the local Public Information Officers. These are
un-elected positions within the section.

The ball was dropped apparantly, or they were just too busy to bother.
Then after the event, the press isn't interested.

It's been like that for years. I agree...we need to start blowing our own
horns.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event. I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home
watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham radio.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to
send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the
stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense!
(
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come
close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after
containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and
firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

Poor Poor Lennie, he is getting worse and worse. He fails to
comprehend
that professional news reporters get paid, and by golly, its their job.

The ARRL is more interested in compilling the events and accuratly
reporting
the information to the amateur community. Not you Lennie, since you
not
a
licensed operator.

And of course the ham operators are not in the news. They hardly ever
are.
Real emergency operators don't seek publicity. They are there to do a
job
and don't have time for talking with paid reporters. They are much too
busy
trying to save lives.

As for your 'swipe' at the National Traffic System. It is fine and
going
strong Lennie. I operate both SSB and CW sessions on a nightly basis.
Not
to mention my Military Affiliate Radio System networks.

Tell me Lennie....what do you contribute to your community and nation?

Dan/W4NTI

Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event. I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham radio.

That dosen't mean that the hams were not involved. I would wager that
there were/are a lot of other volunteer orginizations involved also that
did not see any spotlite.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense! (
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!

I saw on the news the other day, some homeland defense official (can't
recall who it was), was saying that they plan on making use of the
thousands of ham radio operators as part of homeland defense.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
k.net...
The ARRL leaves that up to the local Public Information Officers. These
are
un-elected positions within the section.

The ball was dropped apparantly, or they were just too busy to bother.
Then after the event, the press isn't interested.

It's been like that for years. I agree...we need to start blowing our
own
horns.

Dan/W4NTI


We all can work with our local (within state) media outlets as either a club
function or as an individual when our local groups are doing cool stuff or
good things. We still could use the positive exposure when it comes to
larger scale events like the wildfires or similar from the larger media
outlets such as the press, and of course the large networks like CBS, ABC,
NBC, FOX, MSNBC, CNN (and whatever other initials we can come up with.
There inlies the need for a group, large in scale, allegedly like the Arrl,
to do press releases or build contacts within the media etc. Groups like
the arrl have the alleged clout and size to catch the attention of the
larger media outlets.

Doing a comparison with another group that I am guessing that a good
percentage of the group here is eligible for..... AARP! More people know a
heck of alot more about the AARP than the ARRL..... And both are important
to both groups.



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.






"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all
want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event.
I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home
watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham
radio.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to
send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the
stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense!
(
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come
close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but
you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur
Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything
of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after
containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and
firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans
got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

Poor Poor Lennie, he is getting worse and worse. He fails to
comprehend
that professional news reporters get paid, and by golly, its their
job.

The ARRL is more interested in compilling the events and accuratly
reporting
the information to the amateur community. Not you Lennie, since you
not
a
licensed operator.

And of course the ham operators are not in the news. They hardly ever
are.
Real emergency operators don't seek publicity. They are there to do a
job
and don't have time for talking with paid reporters. They are much
too
busy
trying to save lives.

As for your 'swipe' at the National Traffic System. It is fine and
going
strong Lennie. I operate both SSB and CW sessions on a nightly basis.
Not
to mention my Military Affiliate Radio System networks.

Tell me Lennie....what do you contribute to your community and nation?

Dan/W4NTI

If ya remember, post something about that here if you can.


--
Ryan KC8PMX

Why is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but
it takes a whole box to start a barbecue?


I saw on the news the other day, some homeland defense official (can't
recall who it was), was saying that they plan on making use of the
thousands of ham radio operators as part of homeland defense.

On 28 Oct 2003 04:35:14 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Why would you depend on the ARRL website for "up to the minute" news
when there are literally thousands of other news sources available;
TV, radio, newspapers, the internet. The LA Times incidently also has
a website of their own.

Let's see. There's the Fire Incident Headquarters, based out of
Idaho, they have a website that updates page viewers on the progress
of every conceivable fire in the United States, which the national
media uses for a source of information on reporting fires.

The ARRL never mentions anything about the dozen Western states that
are burning every summer for months on end. No big deal. Pick up a
newspaper, turn a radio or TV on, or log on to the net, you can get
far better results from thousands of sources at your disposal rather
than trying to make this whole thing a non-issue of bashing the ARRL
which you're not a member or.

I'm a member of the ARRL, and the last source of general breaking news
I come to rely on is the ARRL.

Stacey/AA7YA

On 28 Oct 2003 03:41:13 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

Busy morose code users activate Nets
and Prepare For The Worst. This last one really had an impact
with all the "devestation" everywhere, didn't it?

This impacts your life how? Right, I thought so.

Stacey/AA7YA

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:10:35 GMT, "Phil Kane"
wrote:

This issue has been kicking around the ARRL Pacific Division
"cabinet" for almost 15 years that I know of (I was in same until 4
years ago). The problem is that the Postal Service wants a big hunk
of money for air mail to individual subscribers - the League would
have to assess a healthy surcharge to Pacific Section members to
make up the difference. You don't want that sort of "special
treatment".

No doubt, every annual paying member, no matter where they are, would
be feeling the bite of higher member and subscription fees. It would
be the feasible thing to do to give "special treatment" to those in
the Pacific Division. This may in fact be another reason why the
Pacific Division isn't given "special treatment"

Stacey/AA7YA

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 04:24:18 -0700, S. Hanrahan wrote:

This issue has been kicking around the ARRL Pacific Division
"cabinet" for almost 15 years that I know of (I was in same until 4
years ago). The problem is that the Postal Service wants a big hunk
of money for air mail to individual subscribers - the League would
have to assess a healthy surcharge to Pacific Section members to
make up the difference. You don't want that sort of "special
treatment".

No doubt, every annual paying member, no matter where they are, would
be feeling the bite of higher member and subscription fees. It would
be the feasible thing to do to give "special treatment" to those in
the Pacific Division. This may in fact be another reason why the
Pacific Division isn't given "special treatment"

Huh? "feasible thing to do to give "special treatment" to those in
the Pacific Division" ?? Do you mean "not feasible thing to do"?

Also, you are confusing the Pacific Division (Northern California,
Nevada, and Hawaii and other US territory in the Pacific) with the
Pacific Section which covers Hawaii and the other US territory in
the Pacific. The portion of the Pacific Division exclusive of the
Pacific Section does not need and has not asked for "special treatment".

The new Pacific Division Director, Bob Vallio, is a long-time friend
of mine who does not stand for any nonsense. We will see what will
happen, and anyhow I'm not in that Division any more so I have
no say in what will happen except to relay the history of this issue.


Stacey/AA7YA

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
(ARRL Northwestern Division, Oregon Section)