As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word about the many fires in California which have consumed a
quarter million acres (half the land area of Rhode Island), over
500 homes destroyed, over 11 dead, now in its 5th day. Over
5000 firemen are deployed and personnel and equipment from six
western states are arriving to help firefighters in an area from
Ventura County to the Mexican border.

Where are all the "emergency ham teams" who are supposed to
jump like minutemen into all the disaster work?

All the ARRL news page has on it are a single "In Brief" squib
about "Montana hams receive recognition" for the long-past
Montana wildfires. PAST news.

The nice comfy northereasterners apparently don't recognize much
of the western states of the USA, hardly have in the past. They
only consider hurricanes and floods as emergencies...because
those things happen in the east. Nice "representation of all" by
the League?

Yup, there's the premier amateur radio communications outfit
sitting up there in Newington with the Internet at its disposal
(not to mention W1AW) and can't get the word out. Too busy
being "representative for all amateurs?" Lots of nice newsy
stuff elsewhere, especially localized along the east coast.

Center of population for the USA is well WEST of the Mississippi and
California has the greatest population of any state in the Union and
on par in population with all of Canada. Apparently "6-land" doesn't
exist in the thinking of new englanders.

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Jim,

Len should subscribe to our newspaper. Late sports info is printed *two*
days later. He may not understand that it takes time for information to be
collected and printed (even if only on the internet).

I only wish that my worst problems were the ARRL and CW vs no code. LOL.
These guys are going to drop from coronaries or stroke long before their
time.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil
writes:


N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.


Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.


Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?


ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA

Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?

In article , JJ
writes:

Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?

"Kern?!?"

Who the hell are YOU, "JJ?" You one of them "knuckle-dragging
CB-plussers?"

You can REPEAT a phrase (write it verbatim) or make subtle
changes to PARAPHRASE it or you can invent a new phrase as
if to COIN it. "Kern" refers to particulars in the shape of type
fonts...you can kern a character's appearance but you CANNOT
kern a phrase.

ARRL doesn't pretend to represent any Citizens Band Radio Service
users. There's no license for CB in the USA. There has NEVER
been any test for CB ever, not once since it was created 45 years
ago. Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum.

ARRL pretends to "represent" all radio amateurs but all it REALLY
represents is the opinion of a minority in control of a minority
membership that has not exceeded a quarter of all licensed U. S.
radio amateurs.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

Temper, temper, kindly old timer. What are you, some kind of CONTROL
freak?

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

That's right. They had NOTHING. Yet a could of hours later, they had
SOMETHING. SOMETHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.

I'm not the one who took the potshot at amateur radio and the ARRL only
to have it blow up in his face.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA.

There are many WESTERN headquartered organizations. Is it your opinion
that all organizations should be headquartered near the center of
population? If not, why the fuss?

ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

It doesn't seem that way to me. Directors are representative of the
areas in which they live. Why should you be concerned? You aren't
involved with the ARRL.

I'm not "anti-ARRL."

Your frequent statements about the League would indicate otherwise.
Would you care to see a few of them googled up?

I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

How are you "showing" anything? You aren't involved.

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

No, your errors are your problem. You've gone from making statements
about an EASTERN headquarted organization to stating that the ARRL is
eastern-oriented. You keep trying to make an issue of something which
is not an issue.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

Only a quarter? What other amateur radio organization has more than a
fraction of that number making up its membership?

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented.

AARP claims to represent retirees. The American Legion claims to
represent veterans. Labor unions claim to represent workers. The NAACP
claims to represent colored people.

Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

If those words came from anyone else, I'd say that they were an error.
Since they come from you, I say they're a deliberate untruth.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

Take your lithium.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

Take your lithium.

Lithium Ion, sweetums. Battery. Replacement for my watch last
month. Good for another seven years.

Throw away your used-book-store "Physician's Desk Reference"
and that surplus Sharps box. You can't practice medicine with
an amateur radio license.

You can't even inject a good comment in here.

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

Yet another of Lennie's examples of "professional engineering" civil debate.

Caught up in his own lying again.

Steve, K4YZ