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Len Over 21 October 27th 03 06:54 PM

ARRL has no FIRE for sale?
 
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word about the many fires in California which have consumed a
quarter million acres (half the land area of Rhode Island), over
500 homes destroyed, over 11 dead, now in its 5th day. Over
5000 firemen are deployed and personnel and equipment from six
western states are arriving to help firefighters in an area from
Ventura County to the Mexican border.

Where are all the "emergency ham teams" who are supposed to
jump like minutemen into all the disaster work?

All the ARRL news page has on it are a single "In Brief" squib
about "Montana hams receive recognition" for the long-past
Montana wildfires. PAST news.

The nice comfy northereasterners apparently don't recognize much
of the western states of the USA, hardly have in the past. They
only consider hurricanes and floods as emergencies...because
those things happen in the east. Nice "representation of all" by
the League?

Yup, there's the premier amateur radio communications outfit
sitting up there in Newington with the Internet at its disposal
(not to mention W1AW) and can't get the word out. Too busy
being "representative for all amateurs?" Lots of nice newsy
stuff elsewhere, especially localized along the east coast.

Center of population for the USA is well WEST of the Mississippi and
California has the greatest population of any state in the Union and
on par in population with all of Canada. Apparently "6-land" doesn't
exist in the thinking of new englanders.

LHA



N2EY October 27th 03 09:39 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word


http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

charlesb October 27th 03 11:10 PM


"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

Apparently "6-land" doesn't exist in the thinking of new englanders.


I'm sure they are like the rest of the country... We all know that
California is there - but we try not to dwell on it too much.

Most likely, you are not hearing news reports by hams in the west because
they are currently too busy doing something useful. One pattern I've noted
over the years is that reporting of ham involvement in emergencies generally
has a significant time-lag. I'm not saying that this is good or bad; I'm
just saying that that's how it generally goes.

P.S. Is it really true that they call California the "cereal bowl state"
because once you get past all the fruits and nuts, the only thing left are
the flakes?

Charles ( No Texas jokes, please! ) Brabham, N5PVL




Dan/W4NTI October 28th 03 12:27 AM


"ARRL Sucks" wrote in message
...
The ARRL is a Yankee organization, run by Yankees
who think the center of the universe is New England.

Hams in Hawaii have been asking for years to have
QST bulk air-mailed to Hawaii, the same as all other
publishers do to ensure timely delivery. ARRL has
been farting off Hawaii hams for years. Screw the
League!

Aloha





The ARRL has contracted their publishing and do not do it themselves.
Perhaps you should contact the publisher/printer ?

Dan/W4NTI



Jim Hampton October 28th 03 12:46 AM

Jim,

Len should subscribe to our newspaper. Late sports info is printed *two*
days later. He may not understand that it takes time for information to be
collected and printed (even if only on the internet).

I only wish that my worst problems were the ARRL and CW vs no code. LOL.
These guys are going to drop from coronaries or stroke long before their
time.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word


http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.




Jack Hamilton October 28th 03 12:46 AM

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:

"ARRL Sucks" wrote in message
...
The ARRL is a Yankee organization, run by Yankees
who think the center of the universe is New England.

Hams in Hawaii have been asking for years to have
QST bulk air-mailed to Hawaii, the same as all other
publishers do to ensure timely delivery. ARRL has
been farting off Hawaii hams for years. Screw the
League!

Aloha


The ARRL has contracted their publishing and do not do it themselves.
Perhaps you should contact the publisher/printer ?


The ARRL is ultimately responsible for the production and delivery of
their magazine, however much they may choose to contract out; the
printer will do whatever the ARRL will pay them to do, within reasonable
limits. It's the ARRL's decision.


--
Jack Hamilton



If men are to wait for liberty until they become wise and good in slavery,
they may indeed wait for ever.
- Lord MacCaulay

Hans K0HB October 28th 03 01:08 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word about the many fires in California which have consumed a
quarter million acres (half the land area of Rhode Island), over
500 homes destroyed, over 11 dead, now in its 5th day.


Up here in Minnesota it just doesn't seem to be of any importance what
some radio-hobbiest club near Hartford, CT, writes about on their web
page. The ARRL isn't relevant to the massive tragedy you folks are
facing.

Rather than sending hobby radiomen, the State of Minnesota DNR is
sending you one of our new Canadian-built arial tankers, an augmented
flight crew, and additional DNR firefighters to help you and your
neighbors.

Stay safe, Len.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Dave Heil October 28th 03 02:37 AM

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word


http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.


This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.


Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 October 28th 03 03:41 AM

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word about the many fires in California which have consumed a
quarter million acres (half the land area of Rhode Island), over
500 homes destroyed, over 11 dead, now in its 5th day.


Up here in Minnesota it just doesn't seem to be of any importance what
some radio-hobbiest club near Hartford, CT, writes about on their web
page. The ARRL isn't relevant to the massive tragedy you folks are
facing.


The ARRL's vaunted Emergency classes are SUPPOSED to be
relevant to this sort of thing.

Rather than sending hobby radiomen, the State of Minnesota DNR is
sending you one of our new Canadian-built arial tankers, an augmented
flight crew, and additional DNR firefighters to help you and your
neighbors.


That's good to hear, Hans. My thanks to the good state of
Minnesota for their help.

The total of firefighting personnel is now greater than 8000 from
many states, engaged in three major firestorm locations over a
120 mile radius, North of Los Angeles County to south of San
Diego to east of San Bernardino.

Air Carrier flights have been slowed greatly due to evacuation of
an FAA air traffic control center near San Diego. That has
reflected to major urban air centers around the country. The
desert TRACON in northern part of Los Angeles is operating at
capacity trying to absorb some of the ATC load.

Stay safe, Len.


Not a problem, Hans, but I thank you for your good wishes.

I'll just access ARRL news page for the latest "emergency
steps" to take. :-)

Have fun in the code contest. Keep that carpal tunnel open.

LHA

Len Over 21 October 28th 03 03:41 AM

In article , "charlesb"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

Apparently "6-land" doesn't exist in the thinking of new englanders.


I'm sure they are like the rest of the country... We all know that
California is there - but we try not to dwell on it too much.


More than one tenth of ALL Americans live in California, dumbass.

It's the most populous state in the Union. Or did you think Tay-hass
seceeded from the Union again?

Most likely, you are not hearing news reports by hams in the west because
they are currently too busy doing something useful.


Such as?

While I can't get much reach outside of NVIS' 300 km radius from
these hills, I didn't hear anything on any HF ham band nets.

They are "doing something useful" just like they did in the 1994
Northridge quake...getting the hell out...MOST LIKELY.

One pattern I've noted
over the years is that reporting of ham involvement in emergencies generally
has a significant time-lag. I'm not saying that this is good or bad; I'm
just saying that that's how it generally goes.


Radio waves propagate at faster than 180 thousand miles per second,
dumbass.

Are all these "emergency workers" getting organized by mean old
telephone landline? Don't they know that "telephones always fail
during emergencies and disasters?" [they are always saying that in
here]

P.S. Is it really true that they call California the "cereal bowl state"
because once you get past all the fruits and nuts, the only thing left are
the flakes?


No. California has a tremendous agribusiness that feeds most of
the western, mountain, and middle western states. Texas couldn't
possibly do near as well...they try with steer and say that their
steer manure is "manna."

Charles ( No Texas jokes, please! ) Brabham, N5PVL


Don't have a cow, dumbass.

LHA

Len Over 21 October 28th 03 03:41 AM

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. 5 1/2 days. Then, suddenly, "news" appears on
ARRL that Something Is Happening Out West...a bit over two
hours after I posted a No News Statement.

Somebody in Newington must have gone into the archives back
room and found an Almanac showing more than 48 states in
the USA. Wow! Discovery!

No problem on hurricanes...those are reported constantly after
NOAA puts out the word. Busy morose code users activate Nets
and Prepare For The Worst. This last one really had an impact
with all the "devestation" everywhere, didn't it?

Really "with it" news reporting from New England...

LHA

Len Over 21 October 28th 03 04:35 AM

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word


http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.


This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.


Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.


Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?


ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA

JJ October 28th 03 04:38 AM

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil
writes:


N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message


...

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.


This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.



Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.


Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.


Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?



ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA


Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?


charlesb October 28th 03 11:13 AM


"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article , "charlesb"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

Apparently "6-land" doesn't exist in the thinking of new englanders.


I'm sure they are like the rest of the country... We all know that
California is there - but we try not to dwell on it too much.


More than one tenth of ALL Americans live in California, dumbass.


Sorry, but you cannot count California's illegal immigrant population as
"Americans", though technically they are.

Moron.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL



Dan/W4NTI October 28th 03 05:19 PM


"Jack Hamilton" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:

"ARRL Sucks" wrote in message
...
The ARRL is a Yankee organization, run by Yankees
who think the center of the universe is New England.

Hams in Hawaii have been asking for years to have
QST bulk air-mailed to Hawaii, the same as all other
publishers do to ensure timely delivery. ARRL has
been farting off Hawaii hams for years. Screw the
League!

Aloha


The ARRL has contracted their publishing and do not do it themselves.
Perhaps you should contact the publisher/printer ?


The ARRL is ultimately responsible for the production and delivery of
their magazine, however much they may choose to contract out; the
printer will do whatever the ARRL will pay them to do, within reasonable
limits. It's the ARRL's decision.


--
Jack Hamilton



If men are to wait for liberty until they become wise and good in slavery,
they may indeed wait for ever.
- Lord MacCaulay


No it is not. The major problem is the Hawaii hams want first class service
and not have to pay for it. The block is actually with the postal service
who has contracted have all bulk mail to Hawaii sent by boat.

Dan/W4NTI



Len Over 21 October 28th 03 06:27 PM

In article , JJ
writes:

Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?


"Kern?!?"

Who the hell are YOU, "JJ?" You one of them "knuckle-dragging
CB-plussers?"

You can REPEAT a phrase (write it verbatim) or make subtle
changes to PARAPHRASE it or you can invent a new phrase as
if to COIN it. "Kern" refers to particulars in the shape of type
fonts...you can kern a character's appearance but you CANNOT
kern a phrase.

ARRL doesn't pretend to represent any Citizens Band Radio Service
users. There's no license for CB in the USA. There has NEVER
been any test for CB ever, not once since it was created 45 years
ago. Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum.

ARRL pretends to "represent" all radio amateurs but all it REALLY
represents is the opinion of a minority in control of a minority
membership that has not exceeded a quarter of all licensed U. S.
radio amateurs.

LHA

JJ October 28th 03 06:53 PM

Len under 21 wet his pants and wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:


Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?



"Kern?!?"

Who the hell are YOU, "JJ?" You one of them "knuckle-dragging
CB-plussers?"

You can REPEAT a phrase (write it verbatim) or make subtle
changes to PARAPHRASE it or you can invent a new phrase as
if to COIN it. "Kern" refers to particulars in the shape of type
fonts...you can kern a character's appearance but you CANNOT
kern a phrase.

ARRL doesn't pretend to represent any Citizens Band Radio Service
users. There's no license for CB in the USA. There has NEVER
been any test for CB ever, not once since it was created 45 years
ago. Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum.

ARRL pretends to "represent" all radio amateurs but all it REALLY
represents is the opinion of a minority in control of a minority
membership that has not exceeded a quarter of all licensed U. S.
radio amateurs.

LHA



I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?

"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.

Why should the ARRL pretend to represent the CB Radio Service? It was
established to represent the Amateur operators long before CB ever came
into being. Who would want to represent the sewer pit of communication
that CB has become? Why would they want to represent a bunch of idiots
who haven't a clue as how to properly use radio communication, that
operate in a number of illegal ways and cause general havoc on the radio
spectrum. The ARRL should not touch CB with a 10 foot pole.

Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum


And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?

So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".


Len Over 21 October 28th 03 10:02 PM

In article , JJ
writes:


I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?


I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).

I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?

"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.


The "Honeymooners" went OFF the air long ago. Jackie Gleason
left this world a long time ago. Not everyone was a fan of a New
York based TV show on CBS during the black and white years.

DOS Tip: Not everyone speaks in New Yorkese or Jerseyish or buys
"gaz" for his auto while in Philly.


And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?


The subject is NOT old black-and-white broadcast television, either.

So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".


Leonard H. Anderson

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

I don't work with feces and I don't make shoe polish. I'm a professional
in radio-electronics who has not hidden his identity.

YOU on the other hand, HIDE behind a couple letters and act tuff.
No USA database lists any "JJ" as the name of any licensed radio
amateur. Perhaps a foreign country might have it? :-)

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

LHA

Robert Casey October 28th 03 10:19 PM



Why should the ARRL pretend to represent the CB Radio Service? It was
established to represent the Amateur operators long before CB ever
came into being. Who would want to represent the sewer pit of
communication that CB has become? Why would they want to represent a
bunch of idiots who haven't a clue as how to properly use radio
communication, that operate in a number of illegal ways and cause
general havoc on the radio spectrum. The ARRL should not touch CB with
a 10 foot pole.


I wouldn't touch it with an 11 meter pole. :-)


Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum


CB is not amateur, and one of the rules of the CB service is no
international comms.
Not that it's enforced......

"you don't know **** from Shinola".


Well, you can't polish a turd...... ;-)






JJ October 28th 03 11:14 PM

Len over 21 wet his pants again and blathered:

In article , JJ
writes:



I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?



I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).


And that has nothing to do with amateur radio. There were/are lots of
military radio operators operating military HF gear.


I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?


And your point is?


"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.



The "Honeymooners" went OFF the air long ago. Jackie Gleason
left this world a long time ago. Not everyone was a fan of a New
York based TV show on CBS during the black and white years.

DOS Tip: Not everyone speaks in New Yorkese or Jerseyish or buys
"gaz" for his auto while in Philly.



And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?



The subject is NOT old black-and-white broadcast television, either.


So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".



Leonard H. Anderson

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

I don't work with feces and I don't make shoe polish. I'm a professional
in radio-electronics who has not hidden his identity.


A turd is a turd is a turd.


YOU on the other hand, HIDE behind a couple letters and act tuff.
No USA database lists any "JJ" as the name of any licensed radio
amateur. Perhaps a foreign country might have it? :-)

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

LHA


Since you do not hold an amateur radio operator's license nor seem to
care about ever getting one, what business is it of yours if the amateur
service has code testing or not? So what is your purpose for all the
petitions on amateur testing? You seem to think it is strange that the
FCC does not require those making rules concerning amateur radio to hold
an amateur license, yet you, without holding an amateur radio license,
can file petitons concerning amateur radio. How about that? Since you
seem to have such a hard on about the amateur radio service, of which
you are not even a member, why do you even bother? Why does it bother
you about what the ARRL is doing, or if the hams are or aren't handling
emergency comms in Calif. Perhaps you are just one of those types who
sticks your nose into things that don't concern you just to stir the
pot, or perhaps you can't pass the test for a license.


charlesb October 29th 03 02:47 AM

SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

ZCZC AX10
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 10 ARLX010
From ARRL Headquarters

Newington CT October 28, 2003
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and Radio Amateur Civil
Emergency Service (RACES) teams are assisting local authorities and
relief organizations as fire has burned more than 500,000 acres in
southern California. Authorities report 11 separate fires have
erupted and more than a dozen people have died.

ARRL San Diego Section Manager Kent Tiburski, K6FQ, estimated that
about 100 ham ARES and RACES volunteers are participating in his
section, where most of the fatalities took place. Amateurs are
supporting the Red Cross and The Salvation Army and staffing six
shelters throughout San Diego county. Additional hams have deployed
to San Diego-area emergency management offices and hospitals.

Communication is mainly taking place on VHF. The San Diego ARES Net
has been activated on 7.233 MHz with 3.905 MHz as a backup. The
Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network (SATERN) also has been
using 7.233 MHz as a coordinating frequency.

San Diego-Area SATERN Coordinator Paul Cook, N6RPF, reports that
SATERN has helped with communication for a number of busy canteens
in the San Diego area.

In San Bernardino County, Orange SM Carl Gardenias, WU6D, said ARES
volunteers have been supporting emergency communication in the
county.

ARRL Los Angeles SM Phineas Icenbice, W6BF, reports ARES members
from his section have been assisting volunteers in the Orange and
San Diego Sections. Los Angeles SEC Dennis Smith, KA6GSE, says ARES
volunteers from the section also are helping at Red Cross shelters
in LA.
NNNN
/EX



Dan/W4NTI October 29th 03 03:38 AM


"JJ" wrote in message
...
Len over 21 wet his pants again and blathered:

In article , JJ


writes:



I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?



I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).


And that has nothing to do with amateur radio. There were/are lots of
military radio operators operating military HF gear.


I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?


And your point is?


"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.



The "Honeymooners" went OFF the air long ago. Jackie Gleason
left this world a long time ago. Not everyone was a fan of a New
York based TV show on CBS during the black and white years.

DOS Tip: Not everyone speaks in New Yorkese or Jerseyish or buys
"gaz" for his auto while in Philly.



And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?



The subject is NOT old black-and-white broadcast television, either.


So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".



Leonard H. Anderson

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

I don't work with feces and I don't make shoe polish. I'm a

professional
in radio-electronics who has not hidden his identity.


A turd is a turd is a turd.


YOU on the other hand, HIDE behind a couple letters and act tuff.
No USA database lists any "JJ" as the name of any licensed radio
amateur. Perhaps a foreign country might have it? :-)

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

LHA


Since you do not hold an amateur radio operator's license nor seem to
care about ever getting one, what business is it of yours if the amateur
service has code testing or not? So what is your purpose for all the
petitions on amateur testing? You seem to think it is strange that the
FCC does not require those making rules concerning amateur radio to hold
an amateur license, yet you, without holding an amateur radio license,
can file petitons concerning amateur radio. How about that? Since you
seem to have such a hard on about the amateur radio service, of which
you are not even a member, why do you even bother? Why does it bother
you about what the ARRL is doing, or if the hams are or aren't handling
emergency comms in Calif. Perhaps you are just one of those types who
sticks your nose into things that don't concern you just to stir the
pot, or perhaps you can't pass the test for a license.


JJ,

In a language LHA can understand (assuming he actually was in the
military).......He is a DIP****, or in Naval speak....he is a BLIVIT.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI October 29th 03 03:39 AM

Poor Lennie....caught in ANOTHER LIE.

Dan/W4NTI

"charlesb" wrote in message
.. .
SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

ZCZC AX10
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 10 ARLX010
From ARRL Headquarters

Newington CT October 28, 2003
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and Radio Amateur Civil
Emergency Service (RACES) teams are assisting local authorities and
relief organizations as fire has burned more than 500,000 acres in
southern California. Authorities report 11 separate fires have
erupted and more than a dozen people have died.

ARRL San Diego Section Manager Kent Tiburski, K6FQ, estimated that
about 100 ham ARES and RACES volunteers are participating in his
section, where most of the fatalities took place. Amateurs are
supporting the Red Cross and The Salvation Army and staffing six
shelters throughout San Diego county. Additional hams have deployed
to San Diego-area emergency management offices and hospitals.

Communication is mainly taking place on VHF. The San Diego ARES Net
has been activated on 7.233 MHz with 3.905 MHz as a backup. The
Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network (SATERN) also has been
using 7.233 MHz as a coordinating frequency.

San Diego-Area SATERN Coordinator Paul Cook, N6RPF, reports that
SATERN has helped with communication for a number of busy canteens
in the San Diego area.

In San Bernardino County, Orange SM Carl Gardenias, WU6D, said ARES
volunteers have been supporting emergency communication in the
county.

ARRL Los Angeles SM Phineas Icenbice, W6BF, reports ARES members
from his section have been assisting volunteers in the Orange and
San Diego Sections. Los Angeles SEC Dennis Smith, KA6GSE, says ARES
volunteers from the section also are helping at Red Cross shelters
in LA.
NNNN
/EX





Len Over 21 October 29th 03 06:29 AM

In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

Poor Lennie....caught in ANOTHER LIE.

Dan/W4NTI


No Dannie boy, NOT a "lie." Go back a day to message that
started this thread. ARRL had NO mention of the already-
widespread California firestorms up to 1 PM EST.

Have you learned to READ yet? Or are you still unable to
cope with reality?

LHA

Len Over 21 October 29th 03 06:29 AM

In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

JJ,

In a language LHA can understand (assuming he actually was in the
military).......He is a DIP****, or in Naval speak....he is a BLIVIT.

Dan/W4NTI


Poor Dan. We still haven't found the right replacement parts to
fix his stupid.

You need confirmation of my U. S. military service, Dannie?
Contact NARA in St. Louis (National Archives and Records Agency).
It's all there. Have them search for Army serial number RA16408336
beginning March 13, 1952.

LHA

Len Over 21 October 29th 03 06:29 AM

In article , "charlesb"
writes:

SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

ZCZC AX10
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 10 ARLX010
From ARRL Headquarters

Newington CT October 28, 2003
To all radio amateurs


That "news copy" was on the ARRL website opening page.

There is NO corroboration of that information with any other
commercial news service.

ARRL is NOT a news service despite play-acting as if they were.

If the ARRL was a news service, they would have put that
information out at least four days before the 27th of October,
AFTER the wildfires had begun and weather reports indicating
ideal wildfire conditions.

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Len Over 21 October 29th 03 06:29 AM

In article , JJ fearful anonymous
writes:


In article , JJ


writes:

I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?


I don't think so. You don't identify yourself.

You could be LYING.

No identification. You could be anything...and nothing.

I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).


And that has nothing to do with amateur radio. There were/are lots of
military radio operators operating military HF gear.


ALL radios work by the SAME principles of physics.

Electrons, fields, and waves don't work "differently" if some
humans establish a radio service.


I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?


And your point is?


Obvious to those who can think.

Those who REGULATE U. S. amateur radio are NOT required
to be granted any amateur radio license.

You don' tsee the point?

Pity those unable to think.

The FCC does NOT sanctify any fraternal orders/organizations.
You are acting like the U. S. ARS is a fraternal order, all
"answerable to the ARS community" and all that folderol.

ARRL is a fraternal order of sorts. ARRL does NOT regulate
U. S. amateur radio. Never did.


Since you do not hold an amateur radio operator's license nor seem to
care about ever getting one, what business is it of yours if the amateur
service has code testing or not?


What "business" is it of yours, anonymous entity?

So what is your purpose for all the
petitions on amateur testing?


You must have been away, far away from here if you don't know.

I'm advocating the elimination of ALL morse code TESTING.

Retention of code TESTING is just a constant dumbing down to
standards and practices in all communications of seven
decades ago.

Why do you wish to keep the U. S. amateur radio service
dumbed down to ancient methods of communications?

You seem to think it is strange that the
FCC does not require those making rules concerning amateur radio to hold
an amateur license, yet you, without holding an amateur radio license,
can file petitons concerning amateur radio.


ANYONE can file a petition with the FCC if they show good
cause for a petition's existance. Whether or not such a petition
is made an "RM" and put on the public record for comment is
up to the FCC, not you, anonymous one. [FCC will not accept
anonymity[

I have NOT filed any petition. I HAVE made Comments. That is
within my rights under the United States Constitution. Ever hear
of that document? It's a pretty good document. Read it some time.

How about that?


How about what? Are you an advocate of abrogating the First
Amendment of the United States Constitution, anonymous one?

Since you
seem to have such a hard on about the amateur radio service, of which
you are not even a member, why do you even bother?


Radio has NO sexual appeal to me. Apparently it does to you.

Have you seen a mental health professional about your strange
desire?

Why does it bother
you about what the ARRL is doing, or if the hams are or aren't handling
emergency comms in Calif.


ARRL is a membership organization based in the U.S. northeast.
It has a MINORITY membership among all the licensed U.S. radio
amateurs. ARRL is also a political special-interest group with a
lobbyist firm and a DC legal firm on retainer.

I accuse ARRL of favoring regional northeastern interests and being
hypocritical over their ACTUAL "representation" of amateur radio.

Why do you wish control over who can say what in the USA?

Are you in favor of dictatorship? You must be from the way you
talk-type in here.

Perhaps you are just one of those types who
sticks your nose into things that don't concern you just to stir the
pot, or perhaps you can't pass the test for a license.


Perhaps you need an attitude adjustment. A SERIOUS adjustment.

I'm NOT interested in joining any Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

All you've done so far is to target an individual with an ateempt at
personal attack. The subject is the geographic provinchialism of
the ARRL which is a political special-interest group.

You continue to hide behind a pseudonym. Why are you afraid?

LHA

charlesb October 29th 03 01:36 PM


"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

That "news copy" was on the ARRL website opening page.

There is NO corroboration of that information with any other
commercial news service.


Gee, what an ignorant asshole!

Charles Brabham, N5PVL



Dave Heil October 29th 03 03:07 PM

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. 5 1/2 days. Then, suddenly, "news" appears on
ARRL that Something Is Happening Out West...a bit over two
hours after I posted a No News Statement.


It is obvious that someone from HQ--probably that pesky Ed Hare--saw
your post and quickly threw something together for the ARRL web site,
just to make you look silly.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil October 29th 03 04:04 PM

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.


This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.


Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.


Temper, temper, kindly old timer. What are you, some kind of CONTROL
freak?

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.


That's right. They had NOTHING. Yet a could of hours later, they had
SOMETHING. SOMETHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.


I'm not the one who took the potshot at amateur radio and the ARRL only
to have it blow up in his face.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.


Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?


ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA.


There are many WESTERN headquartered organizations. Is it your opinion
that all organizations should be headquartered near the center of
population? If not, why the fuss?

ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.


It doesn't seem that way to me. Directors are representative of the
areas in which they live. Why should you be concerned? You aren't
involved with the ARRL.

I'm not "anti-ARRL."


Your frequent statements about the League would indicate otherwise.
Would you care to see a few of them googled up?

I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."


How are you "showing" anything? You aren't involved.

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.


No, your errors are your problem. You've gone from making statements
about an EASTERN headquarted organization to stating that the ARRL is
eastern-oriented. You keep trying to make an issue of something which
is not an issue.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).


Only a quarter? What other amateur radio organization has more than a
fraction of that number making up its membership?

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented.


AARP claims to represent retirees. The American Legion claims to
represent veterans. Labor unions claim to represent workers. The NAACP
claims to represent colored people.

Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.


If those words came from anyone else, I'd say that they were an error.
Since they come from you, I say they're a deliberate untruth.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.


Take your lithium.

Dave K8MN

Dan/W4NTI October 29th 03 04:42 PM


"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,

"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

Poor Lennie....caught in ANOTHER LIE.

Dan/W4NTI


No Dannie boy, NOT a "lie." Go back a day to message that
started this thread. ARRL had NO mention of the already-
widespread California firestorms up to 1 PM EST.

Have you learned to READ yet? Or are you still unable to
cope with reality?

LHA


Poor Lennie, not only caught in a lie, but now trying to cover it up. Not
good for a Electronical Mechanic there Lennie.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI October 29th 03 04:44 PM


"Len Over 21" wrote in message

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA


Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur Radio
information. Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI October 29th 03 04:44 PM


"charlesb" wrote in message
m...

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

That "news copy" was on the ARRL website opening page.

There is NO corroboration of that information with any other
commercial news service.


Gee, what an ignorant asshole!

Charles Brabham, N5PVL



A world class DIP****.

Dan/W4NTI



Dan/W4NTI October 29th 03 04:46 PM


"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,

"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

JJ,

In a language LHA can understand (assuming he actually was in the
military).......He is a DIP****, or in Naval speak....he is a BLIVIT.

Dan/W4NTI


Poor Dan. We still haven't found the right replacement parts to
fix his stupid.

You need confirmation of my U. S. military service, Dannie?
Contact NARA in St. Louis (National Archives and Records Agency).
It's all there. Have them search for Army serial number RA16408336
beginning March 13, 1952.

LHA


Why bother Lennie? You know full well they were burned up in that fire. Or
don't you?

Dan/W4NTI




Dan/W4NTI October 29th 03 04:53 PM


"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,


(N2EY) writes:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.


Tsk, tsk, tsk. 5 1/2 days. Then, suddenly, "news" appears on
ARRL that Something Is Happening Out West...a bit over two
hours after I posted a No News Statement.


It is obvious that someone from HQ--probably that pesky Ed Hare--saw
your post and quickly threw something together for the ARRL web site,
just to make you look silly.

Dave K8MN


Could be Dave, but I think not. Lennie does a great job of showing how
silly he is all by himself.

He must be a lonely old man. With nothing to do in life but wait around to
die. And in the meantime annoy as many folks as possible.

He obviously hates ham radio. Probably because his 'higher' in the military
was a ham and made Lennie look silly......you think so?

Dan/W4NTI



JJ October 29th 03 06:00 PM

Dave Heil wrote:


It is obvious that someone from HQ--probably that pesky Ed Hare--saw
your post and quickly threw something together for the ARRL web site,
just to make you look silly.

Dave K8MN


Len can look silly enough on his own without any help from the ARRL web
site.


JJ October 29th 03 06:08 PM

Dan/W4NTI wrote:



He obviously hates ham radio. Probably because his 'higher' in the military
was a ham and made Lennie look silly......you think so?

Dan/W4NTI


More likely because he couldn't pass the test for a ham licnese.


Len Over 21 October 29th 03 09:24 PM

In article et, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

You need confirmation of my U. S. military service, Dannie?
Contact NARA in St. Louis (National Archives and Records Agency).
It's all there. Have them search for Army serial number RA16408336
beginning March 13, 1952.

LHA


Why bother Lennie? You know full well they were burned up in that fire. Or
don't you?


Not mine. Some, yes. Never had any problems with FBI, IRS, etc.
on any government agency corroborations of past service records.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you should read ALL the pages at NARA's website,
not just the headlines.

Give yourself another title again.

LHA

Len Over 21 October 29th 03 09:24 PM

In article , JJ
writes:

He obviously hates ham radio. Probably because his 'higher' in the military
was a ham and made Lennie look silly......you think so?

Dan/W4NTI


More likely because he couldn't pass the test for a ham licnese.


Yes. True. I went to the FDA and they could only certify me as
beef. :-)

I traveled 85 miles by rail to Chicago back in '56 (no snow that
March, kept my shoes on, no significant hills) and took a REAL
test ONCE. At an FCC field office in the Federal Building there.
Passed a First Phone test in one session. Only one of the four
parts of the test was multiple choice.

I'd send you a digitized image of that first First Phone license if
you had a real Internet address. But, you have no identity.

LHA

Len Over 21 October 29th 03 09:24 PM

In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

A world class DIP****.

Dan/W4NTI


Don't give yourself titles...even if you deserve it.

LHA


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