"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

Since you are aware that nobody collects
such data, simple common sense should
have prevented you from making such an
unprovable statement in the first place.


No, you misunderstand my position. I'm not backing away from my
statement.
I still feel it is entirely accurate and therefore fact. However, as you
well know, I can't prove it because nobody gathers such statistics. But
that
alone doesn't change the accuracy of a statement. There is a lot of truth
and facts in this world that isn't backed up by statistics.

FEELING that something is true or false doesn't make it so. You have made
an assertion that you claim to be fact therefore it IS up to you, even in a
casual discussion to back it up with data. If that data has not been
collected, then you cannot make such an assertion until either you find a
data source or collect that data with valid statistical methods.

No one in my experience outside of ham radio knew anything about Morse code
except possibly its name. Therefore I could state that most people have not
had enough exposure to Morse code to make an educated decision on whether
they would like it or not. However since I know that this is not sufficient
data to provide proof of my opinion, I do not state it as a fact. Although
my "fact" is just as valid and accurate as your "fact". This is why
opinions are not allowed as proof of anything.

Unless you have statistical data on this, your statement is an OPINION and
nothing more.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

FEELING that something is true or false
doesn't make it so. You have made an
assertion that you claim to be fact
therefore it IS up to you, even in a casual
discussion to back it up with data. (snip)


Nonsense. I've never seen anybody asked to provide statistical data in a
casual discussion.


Unless you have statistical data on this,
your statement is an OPINION and
nothing more.


No kidding!!! Isn't that exactly what I've been saying all along? Lacking
any evidence either way, it is my opinion that it is fact.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Lacking any evidence either way, it is my opinion that it is fact.

Translation: "My mind is made up. Don't try to confuse me with facts."

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"If you are not certain of any fact, you cannot be certain of the meaning
of your words either."

"My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right."

"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead
of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their
views... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the
facts that needs altering."




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"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Lacking any evidence either way, it is my opinion that it is fact.

Translation: "My mind is made up. Don't try to confuse me with facts."

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"If you are not certain of any fact, you cannot be certain of the
meaning
of your words either."

"My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right."

"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead
of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit
their
views... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the
facts that needs altering."


Some great quotes.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"KØHB" wrote:

Translation: "My mind is made up. Don't try
to confuse me with facts."

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"If you are not certain of any fact, you cannot
be certain of the meaning of your words either."

"My opinions may have changed, but not the
fact that I am right."

"The very powerful and the very stupid have
one thing in common. Instead of altering their
views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit
their views... which can be very uncomfortable
if you happen to be one of the facts that needs
altering."


All nice quotes, Hans. But not very relevant when there are no facts.
Lacking those facts, I can only go with what I believe to be fact. Of
course, those who don't agree are never going to accept that.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...
"KØHB" wrote:

Translation: "My mind is made up. Don't try
to confuse me with facts."

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
"If you are not certain of any fact, you cannot
be certain of the meaning of your words either."

"My opinions may have changed, but not the
fact that I am right."

"The very powerful and the very stupid have
one thing in common. Instead of altering their
views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit
their views... which can be very uncomfortable
if you happen to be one of the facts that needs
altering."


All nice quotes, Hans. But not very relevant when there are no facts.
Lacking those facts, I can only go with what I believe to be fact. Of
course, those who don't agree are never going to accept that.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Without data, in some endeavors (not ham radio) it can be downright
dangerous to act on what you believe to be fact. Without data, one should
tread with caution rather than certainty.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote

Lacking any evidence either way, it is my opinion that it is fact.

Translation: "My mind is made up. Don't try to confuse me with facts."

We KNOW that is how you think...now PROVE that is how
others think...

LHA

Dwight Stewart wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

FEELING that something is true or false
doesn't make it so. You have made an
assertion that you claim to be fact

therefore it IS up to you, even in a casual

discussion to back it up with data. (snip)



Nonsense. I've never seen anybody asked to provide statistical data in a
casual discussion.

Can you provied statistical data on that Qwight? 8^)


-couldn't help meself! - Mike KB3EIA -

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

FEELING that something is true or false
doesn't make it so. You have made an
assertion that you claim to be fact
therefore it IS up to you, even in a casual
discussion to back it up with data. (snip)


Nonsense. I've never seen anybody asked to provide statistical data in a
casual discussion.


Unless you have statistical data on this,
your statement is an OPINION and
nothing more.


No kidding!!! Isn't that exactly what I've been saying all along?
Lacking
any evidence either way, it is my opinion that it is fact.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


You are being deliberately obtuse. Your opinion that it is a fact does not
make it so. And even in casual discussions, I've seen many statements
challenged and the proponent asked to prove it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:

You are being deliberately obtuse. Your opinion
that it is a fact does not make it so.


And you're being deliberately disputatious. I've never said it did make it
so.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/