"Alun" wrote:

I don't know what to say, Dwight. You have
my sympathy, FWIW.


It was a long time ago, Alun. Thanks anyway, though.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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"KØHB" wrote:

The US legal system has made a mockery
of itself, without any help from Larry &
Dwight. (snip)


Amen, Hans.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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KØHB wrote:

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote'


I listen to radio talk show and degreed, licensed family
counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger all the time, and
she has addressed this issue many times, always
stating the same thing I did.



Larryl,

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. Dr. Laura is wrong, and
you're wrong. Colleen and I have 5 great, well adjusted children who prove
you flat wrong. You're a sibling, not a parent, and you don't have even a
trace of a clue.

Dr Laura is an entertainer. I was entertained by her show for about 2 weeks.

Gotta wonder about the people that call her. (if indeed they are real
people) If they are real, the first diagnosis is that they are masochists.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

(snip) My point is that in this country, one is
innocent until proven guilty. (snip)


One is innocent under the law until proven guilty in a court of law. That
does not suggest even for a moment that people cannot have their own
opinions or beliefs concerning the guilt or innocence of a person, or voice
those opinions or beliefs.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in
link.net:

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote:

Any adult, other than a parent, sleeping
with a child is just plain sick -- period,
End Of Story. (snip)


You may think that, but it doesn't necessarily make it a crime.
Something
more has to exist before it reaches that level. In the case of Michael
Jackson, it appears that something more did exist (making that a
criminal matter).


Even in the case of parents, it is definitely
not a good idea and should be discouraged
to the greatest extent possible, although
there are occasional, and rare, times when
it may be OK to comfort the child in unusual circumstances causing
emotional stress.


I have to agree with the others on this. I just don't see any real
risks
associated with a young child sleeping a parent or parents.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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I agree with the latter, although it is a nuisance when you can't get the
kids out of your bed, so not a good idea to encourage them. Any harm is
likely to be to the parents, not the kids!

Now, if one spouse is not a biological parent, that's potentially a
different ball game, but I won't go there.

I don't necessarily think that a child sleeping with a non-parent is
always a problem, but in Jacko's case the circumstances are highly
worrying and suspicious.

And it's connection to ham radio policy is...

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Jim Hampton" wrote:

'cmon. Read the headers. You just fed a troll :)



Those who have known me over the last five or six years in this newsgroup
also know I don't troll, Jim. This topic has received massive coverage in
the news over the last few days. Because of that, I thought it was an
interesting topic to introduce in the newsgroup (something different to talk
about).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

Uh, 'scuse me. Knock knock. Larry just
made race the issue from his perspective?
Helloooooo. (snip)


Do try to separate the discussion in this newsgroup from potential court
proceedings, Kim. Larry was talking about the use of race as part of the
defense of Michael Jackson in any eventual court proceedings. I responded to
that. Since I seriously doubt either Larry or myself will be involved in any
court proceedings against Michael Jackson, any mention of race here is not
going to make race an issue there (in that court room).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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"Alun" wrote


Now, if one spouse is not a biological parent, that's potentially a
different ball game, but I won't go there.


Hell, I'll go there, because to not "go there" just panders to people with
twisted dirty little minds who think "something must be going on there".
Just to make it interesting, let's say that the child is adopted. Those of
us who are parents (and I think most who aren't parents) understand the
unconditional love parents have for their children, be they "natural",
"step", or "adopted". Until the very recent past, perhaps less than 150
years in this country, and much more recent than that in less developed
parts of the world, families didn't live in 3 and 4 bedroom homes where each
person had their own "space". Not only did Dad and Mom and the kids sleep
in the same place, but also Grandpa and Grandma and the occasional cousin or
Auntie or Uncle who might be without their own nuclear family to spend the
night with. Dr. Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some
people live today in places outside her privileged neighborhood.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

Oh, and by the way, Dwight. In the event that
you would be (and I don't think you would) as
childish as Larry, *if* you took the above to
think that I was including the story of your
brother in my "hilarious" comment, then you
would be wrong; however I apologize to you
if I implied that.


No apology needed, Kim. I interpreted that as you thinking it hilarious
that I would mention my brother's death in a discussion about Michael
Jackson. And perhaps it was not the best place to bring the subject up.
However, since Larry had mentioned race-riots, it gave me a very rare
opportunity to point out the wider impact of these riots (consequences far
outside the immediate area). I took advantage of that opportunity. In my
brother's case, the consequences were felt all the way across the country in
Florida. This message gives me an opportunity to also point out that these
wider consequences are rarely reported in the news.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

KØHB wrote:

"Alun" wrote


Now, if one spouse is not a biological parent, that's potentially a
different ball game, but I won't go there.



Hell, I'll go there, because to not "go there" just panders to people with
twisted dirty little minds who think "something must be going on there".
Just to make it interesting, let's say that the child is adopted. Those of
us who are parents (and I think most who aren't parents) understand the
unconditional love parents have for their children, be they "natural",
"step", or "adopted". Until the very recent past, perhaps less than 150
years in this country, and much more recent than that in less developed
parts of the world, families didn't live in 3 and 4 bedroom homes where each
person had their own "space". Not only did Dad and Mom and the kids sleep
in the same place, but also Grandpa and Grandma and the occasional cousin or
Auntie or Uncle who might be without their own nuclear family to spend the
night with. Dr. Laura would likely have a heart attack if she saw how some
people live today in places outside her privileged neighborhood.

I wonder how they had all those kids if they shared the bed?

- Mike KB3EIA -