Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

As for sentencing, that is a different thing. I think loonyland has a
minimum 3 year sentence per incident, but envisioning him in a state
prison is hard to do. Perhaps if it happens, they will try to get him
sent to Juvy?

That would be just like California...Send a pedophile to juvy.

That would be like sending Richard Speck to Chino Women's
Correctional Facility.

Steve

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


As for sentencing, that is a different thing. I think loonyland has a
minimum 3 year sentence per incident, but envisioning him in a state
prison is hard to do. Perhaps if it happens, they will try to get him
sent to Juvy?


That would be just like California...Send a pedophile to juvy.

Ayup!

If he's convicted, the kid's parents should be nailed with something
too. Anyone who allows a pubescent child that a 40 something guy wants
to pick up, take to his amusement park home and hop into bed with the
kid (all those things are widely known) should be held responsible.



That would be like sending Richard Speck to Chino Women's
Correctional Facility.

That would be one way of cutting down on prison population!

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

If he's convicted, the kid's parents should be
nailed with something too. Anyone who allows
a pubescent child that a 40 something guy
wants to pick up, take to his amusement park
home and hop into bed with the kid (all those
things are widely known) should be held
responsible. (snip)


I've thought about that too. But, how would we hold them responsible -
stupidity isn't a crime in this country? Letting a child sleep with an adult
is certainly stupid, but we'd have to prove more than that to actually hold
the parents responsible. And I can't think of anything specific in the laws
we can apply to the parents in this case. Child endangerment is the only
thing that comes close, but I don't even think that would fly. To convict,
you'd have to show the parents should have known there was a clear and
present danger. Since JUST sleeping with an adult is not illegal, that may
be a tough case to prove. Anyway, since you said "something" in the first
paragraph (not anything specific), perhaps you're having the same problem
I'm having.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dwight,

I almost agree with you except on that "clear and present danger". I
wouldn't want my kid to go near that place; then again, you mention there is
no law against stupidity. Sigh ...

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Jim Hampton" wrote:

I almost agree with you except on that
"clear and present danger". I wouldn't
want my kid to go near that place; then
again, you mention there is no law
against stupidity. Sigh ...


Note we're talking about the subject (young boy) of the current legal
proceedings. Since there were no actual criminal charges in the first
incident ten years ago, and nothing actually proven, it would be difficult
to prove a clear and present danger existed for this boy. However, since
criminal charges now exist and are widely known, it should be easier to
prove a clear and present danger existed when it comes to parents who allow
their kids to sleep with MJ in the future.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

I've thought about that too. But, how would we hold them responsible -
stupidity isn't a crime in this country? Letting a child sleep with an adult
is certainly stupid, but we'd have to prove more than that to actually hold
the parents responsible. And I can't think of anything specific in the laws
we can apply to the parents in this case. Child endangerment is the only
thing that comes close, but I don't even think that would fly. To convict,
you'd have to show the parents should have known there was a clear and
present danger. Since JUST sleeping with an adult is not illegal, that may
be a tough case to prove. Anyway, since you said "something" in the first
paragraph (not anything specific), perhaps you're having the same problem
I'm having.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

Dwight:

Any adult, other than a parent, sleeping with a child is just plain sick --
period, End Of Story. Even in the case of parents, it is definitely not a good
idea and should be discouraged to the greatest extent possible, although
there are occasional, and rare, times when it may be OK to comfort the
child in unusual circumstances causing emotional stress.

Any parent permitting their child to attend "Neverland" ranch, with it's
accused child molester and world-famous weirdo in residence, is simply
exercising nothing less than a criminal level of negligence. Criminal
charges should be sought against the parents of the 12-year old boy in
question, and he should be immediately removed from that home and
placed in protective custody in a registered foster care facility.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote

Even in the case of parents, it is definitely not a good
idea and should be discouraged to the greatest extent possible...

Larry,

When you become a parent I suspect you'll change your mind. Obviously there
is an age where it is not longer appropriate, but I can assure you without
reservation that having a couple of fresh bathed toddlers in 'jammies' warm
from the dryer snuggle into bed between you and your spouse is one of the
most beautiful rewards of parenthood that you could imagine. Until they
were school age, we always let our kids to feel free to leave their beds and
clamber in with us if the mood struck them. Didn't need to be some dire
need of comfort from emotional stress.

73, Hans, K0HB

In article .net, "KØHB"
writes:


Even in the case of parents, it is definitely not a good
idea and should be discouraged to the greatest extent possible...

Larry,

When you become a parent I suspect you'll change your mind. Obviously there
is an age where it is not longer appropriate, but I can assure you without
reservation that having a couple of fresh bathed toddlers in 'jammies' warm
from the dryer snuggle into bed between you and your spouse is one of the
most beautiful rewards of parenthood that you could imagine. Until they
were school age, we always let our kids to feel free to leave their beds and
clamber in with us if the mood struck them. Didn't need to be some dire
need of comfort from emotional stress.

73, Hans, K0HB

Hansl:

I am not a parent, and at my age I have my doubts that I'll ever be one.
I come from a very large family, and like about half of my brothers and
sisters, I guess I had enough child-rearing early in my life to make me
not particularly curious to do any of my own. Spending most of my
adult life moving from one country to another every year or two didn't
help much either. However, I don't think I am totally unqualified to make
a statement such as I did in the message you replied to. Children
belong in their own beds, period. I listen to radio talk show and
degreed, licensed family counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger all the time, and
she has addressed this issue many times, always stating the same thing
I did. Therefore, we will have to agree to disagree. All I know is, I never
slept in my parent's bed as a child, for any reason, and neither did any
of my 4 brothers or 4 sisters. Quite frankly, I don't know anyone who
ever did.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote'

I listen to radio talk show and degreed, licensed family
counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger all the time, and
she has addressed this issue many times, always
stating the same thing I did.


Larryl,

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. Dr. Laura is wrong, and
you're wrong. Colleen and I have 5 great, well adjusted children who prove
you flat wrong. You're a sibling, not a parent, and you don't have even a
trace of a clue.

Sunuvagun.

73, de Hans (no "L" in Hans)

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote

degreed, licensed family counsellor Dr. Laura Schlessinger
all the time

OBTW, Larryl, I should point out that one of our daughters, Gretchen, is
also a "degreed, licensed" child counsellor, and she actually practices in
the real world as opposed to chatting about it on the radio. And her three
little tykes are regularly found in the same bed with their parents. Sorry,
Larryl, but in this discussion you're kinda like someone arguing about Morse
code but has never learned it themselves.

Sunuvagun!

73, de Hans, K0HB