"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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JJ wrote:

Kim W5TIT wrote:



You know what? I am not so sure that it would take all that much,
Jim. I
am not even going to pretend to be a financier, but I wonder how
much
of the
Federal Budget, i.e. your and my tax dollars, get spent away from
our
country. Then, how much foreign debt is "forgiven" each year?

I would wager we could cut the foreigh aid we send to support those
little ****ant dictators in some of those ****ant countries and have
more than enough to provide good health care for every citizen.

Foreign aid goes a long way toward having those countries vote in the
U.N. in line with our policies.


Yeah, money always has been very easy to throw around, 'specially when
it's
someone else's.

It isn't "someone else's" money, Kim. It is government money obtained
from those Americans who pay taxes. The money is being spent in the
interest of the people of the U.S.


There's other ways to win friends and influence people--and
ways that would mean a lot more and build better alliances in the
longrun.

What would you suggest, takeovers of countries or free beer at the U.S.
embassy on Friday evenings?


Some of it puts military officers from
third world countries through *our* military academies. It gives
those
officers a chance to live in the U.S. and see how our system works.


Yeah, so they can go and influence a bunch of rebels in their or other
homelands and train enemies to the US.

Is that what you believe is happening?

We don't need someone learning "our"
way of doing things...let them figure it out for themselves.

Not much chance of that. You live here and you haven't figured it out.


Some of the aid brings scholars to the U.S. to study.


So they can go back to their land, grow a company, and somehow through
many
different ways, we end up losing jobs and capital over here.

Do you believe that is the purpose for bringing foreign students to the
U.S. for schooling?


If we build a
needed flood control dam in Sierra Leone, good will toward the United
States is generated.


Give them a very, very low interest loan with a good down payment and
let
them build their own damned dam.

That is quite often done. On other occasions, the money comes in the
form of a grant. The actual construction, by the way, is often done by
U.S. companies.


A decade or so back, Botswana actually weaned
itself from U.S. aid and thanked us.


'Sbout damned time...although I doubt they're as "weaned" as they should
be
or are.

...but that's probably just another thing you know little about, huh?


Why would paying for your doctor visits and your medications be the
government's responsibility?


Uh, because *we live* in this country?

Yeah? So? How does that entitle you to free medical care?

So, you disagree with programs that
improve our infrastructure that is pitiful, helps our kids and elderly
with
healthcare and even education, begins an effort to ending welfare for
the
capable, improves health conditions nationwide--and more, while our
government is off in other lands playing Godfather?! Figures, Dave.

I don't believe that most Americans believe that anyone other than those
children and elderly people should be given free or subsidized health
care.

The people of this country who are being taxed to the hilt are paying
for
the backbone of crap in this country and the rest of the world.

They're paying for what?

It's time
the rest of the world and the nitwits in this country get pushed out of
the
nest. But, of course that ain't happenin' any time soon.

There's the Lucy Van Pelt view of Foreign Policy for you. Why don't you
stick to things you know something about...as soon as you figure out
what those might be?

Dave K8MN


I think you're about the hugest piece of crap I've been witness to in a
long, long time, Dave Heil. You go back into your silver spoon 'gain,
now... Buh bye...get another book.

Kim W5TIT

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
JJ wrote:

Kim W5TIT wrote:



You know what? I am not so sure that it would take all that
much,
Jim. I
am not even going to pretend to be a financier, but I wonder how
much
of the
Federal Budget, i.e. your and my tax dollars, get spent away
from
our
country. Then, how much foreign debt is "forgiven" each year?

I would wager we could cut the foreigh aid we send to support
those
little ****ant dictators in some of those ****ant countries and
have
more than enough to provide good health care for every citizen.

Foreign aid goes a long way toward having those countries vote in
the
U.N. in line with our policies.


Yeah, money always has been very easy to throw around, 'specially when
it's
someone else's.

It isn't "someone else's" money, Kim. It is government money obtained
from those Americans who pay taxes. The money is being spent in the
interest of the people of the U.S.


There's other ways to win friends and influence people--and
ways that would mean a lot more and build better alliances in the
longrun.

What would you suggest, takeovers of countries or free beer at the U.S.
embassy on Friday evenings?


Some of it puts military officers from
third world countries through *our* military academies. It gives
those
officers a chance to live in the U.S. and see how our system works.


Yeah, so they can go and influence a bunch of rebels in their or other
homelands and train enemies to the US.

Is that what you believe is happening?

We don't need someone learning "our"
way of doing things...let them figure it out for themselves.

Not much chance of that. You live here and you haven't figured it out.


Some of the aid brings scholars to the U.S. to study.


So they can go back to their land, grow a company, and somehow through
many
different ways, we end up losing jobs and capital over here.

Do you believe that is the purpose for bringing foreign students to the
U.S. for schooling?


If we build a
needed flood control dam in Sierra Leone, good will toward the
United
States is generated.


Give them a very, very low interest loan with a good down payment and
let
them build their own damned dam.

That is quite often done. On other occasions, the money comes in the
form of a grant. The actual construction, by the way, is often done by
U.S. companies.


A decade or so back, Botswana actually weaned
itself from U.S. aid and thanked us.


'Sbout damned time...although I doubt they're as "weaned" as they
should
be
or are.

...but that's probably just another thing you know little about, huh?


Why would paying for your doctor visits and your medications be the
government's responsibility?


Uh, because *we live* in this country?

Yeah? So? How does that entitle you to free medical care?

So, you disagree with programs that
improve our infrastructure that is pitiful, helps our kids and elderly
with
healthcare and even education, begins an effort to ending welfare for
the
capable, improves health conditions nationwide--and more, while our
government is off in other lands playing Godfather?! Figures, Dave.

I don't believe that most Americans believe that anyone other than those
children and elderly people should be given free or subsidized health
care.

The people of this country who are being taxed to the hilt are paying
for
the backbone of crap in this country and the rest of the world.

They're paying for what?

It's time
the rest of the world and the nitwits in this country get pushed out
of
the
nest. But, of course that ain't happenin' any time soon.

There's the Lucy Van Pelt view of Foreign Policy for you. Why don't you
stick to things you know something about...as soon as you figure out
what those might be?

Dave K8MN


I think you're about the hugest piece of crap I've been witness to in a
long, long time, Dave Heil. You go back into your silver spoon 'gain,
now... Buh bye...get another book.

Kim W5TIT



See what I mean Dave? Totally unable to counter what you said. Because she
knows you are right. Yep,..... a knee jerk, bleeding heart, commie
liberal.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message

I think you're about the hugest piece of crap I've been witness to in a
long, long time, Dave Heil. You go back into your silver spoon 'gain,
now... Buh bye...get another book.


See what I mean Dave? Totally unable to counter what you said. Because she
knows you are right.

I'm not sure that she knows I'm right but I suspect that she had an idea
that she is incorrect. Kim would rather babble about silver spoons and
books than defend her erroneous claims.

Yep,..... a knee jerk, bleeding heart, commie
liberal.

I don't know if I'd use a term like "commie". Kim writes like a
socialist and most of her positions are based on her emotions and
"feelings" rather than what she knows to be fact.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message

I think you're about the hugest piece of crap I've been witness to in
a
long, long time, Dave Heil. You go back into your silver spoon 'gain,
now... Buh bye...get another book.


See what I mean Dave? Totally unable to counter what you said. Because
she
knows you are right.

I'm not sure that she knows I'm right but I suspect that she had an idea
that she is incorrect. Kim would rather babble about silver spoons and
books than defend her erroneous claims.

Yep,..... a knee jerk, bleeding heart, commie
liberal.

I don't know if I'd use a term like "commie". Kim writes like a
socialist and most of her positions are based on her emotions and
"feelings" rather than what she knows to be fact.

Dave K8MN

It's a small jump from Socialist to Communist Dave. My life experience
tells me they are one and the same.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net...

It's a small jump from Socialist to Communist Dave. My life experience
tells me they are one and the same.

Dan,

You may find it useful to use the word "collectivist" as a general
term for what you're discussing. Meaning any system that values the
"collective" over the individual, and thereby denies individual rights
- and responsibilities.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
hlink.net...

It's a small jump from Socialist to Communist Dave. My life experience
tells me they are one and the same.

Dan,

You may find it useful to use the word "collectivist" as a general
term for what you're discussing. Meaning any system that values the
"collective" over the individual, and thereby denies individual rights
- and responsibilities.

73 de Jim, N2EY

No, sounds too pc to me Jim. I'll stick with my statement.

Dan/W4NTI

Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
JJ wrote:

Kim W5TIT wrote:



You know what? I am not so sure that it would take all that much,
Jim. I
am not even going to pretend to be a financier, but I wonder how
much
of the
Federal Budget, i.e. your and my tax dollars, get spent away from
our
country. Then, how much foreign debt is "forgiven" each year?

I would wager we could cut the foreigh aid we send to support those
little ****ant dictators in some of those ****ant countries and have
more than enough to provide good health care for every citizen.

Foreign aid goes a long way toward having those countries vote in the
U.N. in line with our policies.


Yeah, money always has been very easy to throw around, 'specially when
it's
someone else's.

It isn't "someone else's" money, Kim. It is government money obtained
from those Americans who pay taxes. The money is being spent in the
interest of the people of the U.S.


There's other ways to win friends and influence people--and
ways that would mean a lot more and build better alliances in the
longrun.

What would you suggest, takeovers of countries or free beer at the U.S.
embassy on Friday evenings?


Some of it puts military officers from
third world countries through *our* military academies. It gives
those
officers a chance to live in the U.S. and see how our system works.


Yeah, so they can go and influence a bunch of rebels in their or other
homelands and train enemies to the US.

Is that what you believe is happening?

We don't need someone learning "our"
way of doing things...let them figure it out for themselves.

Not much chance of that. You live here and you haven't figured it out.


Some of the aid brings scholars to the U.S. to study.


So they can go back to their land, grow a company, and somehow through
many
different ways, we end up losing jobs and capital over here.

Do you believe that is the purpose for bringing foreign students to the
U.S. for schooling?


If we build a
needed flood control dam in Sierra Leone, good will toward the United
States is generated.


Give them a very, very low interest loan with a good down payment and
let
them build their own damned dam.

That is quite often done. On other occasions, the money comes in the
form of a grant. The actual construction, by the way, is often done by
U.S. companies.


A decade or so back, Botswana actually weaned
itself from U.S. aid and thanked us.


'Sbout damned time...although I doubt they're as "weaned" as they should
be
or are.

...but that's probably just another thing you know little about, huh?


Why would paying for your doctor visits and your medications be the
government's responsibility?


Uh, because *we live* in this country?

Yeah? So? How does that entitle you to free medical care?

So, you disagree with programs that
improve our infrastructure that is pitiful, helps our kids and elderly
with
healthcare and even education, begins an effort to ending welfare for
the
capable, improves health conditions nationwide--and more, while our
government is off in other lands playing Godfather?! Figures, Dave.

I don't believe that most Americans believe that anyone other than those
children and elderly people should be given free or subsidized health
care.

The people of this country who are being taxed to the hilt are paying
for
the backbone of crap in this country and the rest of the world.

They're paying for what?

It's time
the rest of the world and the nitwits in this country get pushed out of
the
nest. But, of course that ain't happenin' any time soon.

There's the Lucy Van Pelt view of Foreign Policy for you. Why don't you
stick to things you know something about...as soon as you figure out
what those might be?

Dave K8MN


I think you're about the hugest piece of crap I've been witness to in a
long, long time, Dave Heil.

That'd only be because I've refuted your silliness on yet another
occasion, Kim. You'll have to make up your mind on whether I'm the
biggest since you've awarded similar honors to Dwight, Dan, Larry and me
at various times.

You go back into your silver spoon 'gain,
now...

I actually own some silver spoons, Kim, but if you're referring to the
same soon you say I was born with, you're as wrong this time as the
first time.

Buh bye...get another book.

Why, thank you. I have a scads of books but I always enjoy getting a
new one!

Aren't you going to tell me whether you believe yourself entitled to
free health care at government expense? How about whether you think our
foreign policy dollars are being misused?

Dave K8MN