Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1)
along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion
is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is
confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element
taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your
element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story?

Chris, N7FNB

"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
...
Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1)
along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion
is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is
confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element
taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your
element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story?

Chris, N7FNB

A CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Element) is only good for
upgrading for 365 days no matter what. However, if you pass your Technician
test and receive a Tech license, that is good for credit for Element 2 as
long as you keep the license current (or within the grace period also I
believe) even though the CSCE has expired.

Here's how the code test works:

CSCE for Element 1 - good for upgrade credit for 365 days but good for the
Tech with HF operating privileges as long as your Tech license is valid and
you keep that CSCE to prove that you passed the element.

So now let's look at your hypothetical case:

Today you pass the Element 1 (code) and Element 2 (Tech written). You will
receive CSCEs for both. Your license arrives within a few days and off you
go happily operating. Now 3 years pass. Your CSCEs will not be good for
upgrade credit BUT the Technician license will still give you credit for
Element 2. You will not have to retake Element 2. However, you will have
to retake Element 1 because your upgrade credit has expired (it remains
legal for you to use your HF privileges even so). Thus to get a General
license, you will have to present your Tech license, pass the Element 3 test
and re-pass the Element 1 test. Now lets suppose you decide to go to Extra
after you get your General. All that you will have to do is present your
General license (as long as it is in good standing) and pass the Element 4
test.

I hope this helps.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has
passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF
privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365
days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:59:41 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
.. .
Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1)
along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion
is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is
confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element
taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your
element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story?

Chris, N7FNB

A CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Element) is only good for
upgrading for 365 days no matter what. However, if you pass your Technician
test and receive a Tech license, that is good for credit for Element 2 as
long as you keep the license current (or within the grace period also I
believe) even though the CSCE has expired.

Here's how the code test works:

CSCE for Element 1 - good for upgrade credit for 365 days but good for the
Tech with HF operating privileges as long as your Tech license is valid and
you keep that CSCE to prove that you passed the element.

So now let's look at your hypothetical case:

Today you pass the Element 1 (code) and Element 2 (Tech written). You will
receive CSCEs for both. Your license arrives within a few days and off you
go happily operating. Now 3 years pass. Your CSCEs will not be good for
upgrade credit BUT the Technician license will still give you credit for
Element 2. You will not have to retake Element 2. However, you will have
to retake Element 1 because your upgrade credit has expired (it remains
legal for you to use your HF privileges even so). Thus to get a General
license, you will have to present your Tech license, pass the Element 3 test
and re-pass the Element 1 test. Now lets suppose you decide to go to Extra
after you get your General. All that you will have to do is present your
General license (as long as it is in good standing) and pass the Element 4
test.

I hope this helps.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
...
My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has
passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF
privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365
days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General.


Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your
license lapse. You do NOT have to retest to keep the privileges. You do
have to keep a copy of the CSCE in your file even though it has expired in
case you ever need to prove it.

To use the CSCE as credit for the General upgrade, you have to upgrade
within 365 days. If you do not upgrade in 365 days, you will have to retest
on code for the General.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:59:41 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
.. .
Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1)
along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion
is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is
confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element
taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your
element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story?

Chris, N7FNB

A CSCE (Certificate of Successful Completion of Element) is only good for
upgrading for 365 days no matter what. However, if you pass your
Technician
test and receive a Tech license, that is good for credit for Element 2 as
long as you keep the license current (or within the grace period also I
believe) even though the CSCE has expired.

Here's how the code test works:

CSCE for Element 1 - good for upgrade credit for 365 days but good for
the
Tech with HF operating privileges as long as your Tech license is valid
and
you keep that CSCE to prove that you passed the element.

So now let's look at your hypothetical case:

Today you pass the Element 1 (code) and Element 2 (Tech written). You
will
receive CSCEs for both. Your license arrives within a few days and off
you
go happily operating. Now 3 years pass. Your CSCEs will not be good for
upgrade credit BUT the Technician license will still give you credit for
Element 2. You will not have to retake Element 2. However, you will
have
to retake Element 1 because your upgrade credit has expired (it remains
legal for you to use your HF privileges even so). Thus to get a General
license, you will have to present your Tech license, pass the Element 3
test
and re-pass the Element 1 test. Now lets suppose you decide to go to
Extra
after you get your General. All that you will have to do is present your
General license (as long as it is in good standing) and pass the Element
4
test.

I hope this helps.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
...
My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has
passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF
privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365
days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General.

Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your
license lapse. You do NOT have to retest to keep the privileges.

Correct.

You do
have to keep a copy of the CSCE in your file even though it has expired in
case you ever need to prove it.

Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would
also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed
5 wpm.

To use the CSCE as credit for the General upgrade, you have to upgrade
within 365 days. If you do not upgrade in 365 days, you will have to
retest
on code for the General.

My understanding is Novice has permanent credit for 5 wpm. No CSCE
needed if the Novice has a valid current license.

"Bill Sohl" wrote in message
k.net...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
...
My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has
passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF
privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365
days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General.

Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your
license lapse. You do NOT have to retest to keep the privileges.

Correct.

You do
have to keep a copy of the CSCE in your file even though it has expired
in
case you ever need to prove it.

Many novices may not even have their original CSCE. The FCC would
also recognize a copy of your former Novice license as proof you passed
5 wpm.


Yes that is true but I was addressing the case of someone who's first
license was a Technician. Since the the no-code Tech license became
available over a decade ago, very few people have entered the ARS through
the Novice license and since April of 2000, the issuance of new Novice
licenses was discontinued. So a lot of these people have never had a Novice
license to use as proof although it would indeed fulfill the requirements.

To use the CSCE as credit for the General upgrade, you have to upgrade
within 365 days. If you do not upgrade in 365 days, you will have to
retest
on code for the General.

My understanding is Novice has permanent credit for 5 wpm. No CSCE
needed if the Novice has a valid current license.


Yes that is true but I was only addressing the case of where all they have
is the CSCE. i.e. They never held a Novice license.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
.. .
My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has
passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF
privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365
days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General.


Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your
license lapse.

Not quite. There will NOT being any renewals of a Novice. Or of
an Advanced class license. NOT after 2010.

As the restructured amateur radio regulations of 2000 are
concerned, the "forever" is going to be over in just about 6 years.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

WMD

Subject: How long is element 1 good for
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 1/11/04 11:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

In article om, "Dee D.
Flint" writes:

"DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE" wrote in message
. ..
My question is, if you have elements 1 and 2, even after a year has
passed after taking element 1, do you still have the "novice" HF
privileges of the Tech +HF, or do you have to take element 1 every 365
days to keep the privilege, even if you don't upgrade to General.


Your Novice privileges are good forever so long as you do not let your
license lapse.

Not quite. There will NOT being any renewals of a Novice. Or of
an Advanced class license. NOT after 2010.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, tsk.

Len, you are
completely mistaken.

As the restructured amateur radio regulations of 2000 are
concerned, the "forever" is going to be over in just about 6 years.

How do you know that,
Len? Do you have a
crystal ball that tells
you how the Federal
Communications
Commission will
change the rules in the
future? Because the
current rules do not
support anything you
wrote.

Here are the facts:

1) The Federal
Communications
Commission has
continued to
renew Novice
licenses as Novice
right through the
rules changes of
2000. There are
currently no pending
plans for that to change.

2) The same is true for
Advanced class
licenses being
renewed as Advanced.

3) Novice licenses, current
or expired, convey
Element 1 credit for the
person who earned them.

Len, it appears that you have become
so desperate for attention in this newsgroup
that you will stoop to posting inaccurate,
false and mistaken information just to see
if anyone is still reading your ramblings here.

Poor, poor, misguided baby Len.

The answer is that there are a few who still
read your posts. Many others have killfiled
you because of your behavior.

Most of the time we simply ignore you, Len,
because you're simply not worth our time
or energy. Our reaction to you has moved
from interest, to anger, to disgust, to sadness
and finally to indifference.

I have only bothered to post this reply
because someone might mistakenly
think you know what you are talking
about. You do not know what you are
talking about, and your information
is worthless.

You may claim you were merely making
a prediction, but there is no indication
of that in your post.

Now you can get all upset and SHOUT some
expletives at me. You can rail and fuss and
fume over my being anonymous. You can
clame that your posting was merely "a trap"
and your poor grammar as some sort of
"Proof". You can repeat your mistaken,
incorrect, misleading, false information and
otherwise carry on in typical immature,
spoiled-brat Leonard Anderson fashion.

And even more people will ignore you.

But for the record: You are mistaken.


Sic transit gloria mundi.

WMD

You may call yourself "WMD" but all
you have destroyed is the respect
anyone here ever had for you.



P.S. Don't bother trying to find me. For I am already gone.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, DeLores Lamb, KD7ZAE wrote:
Someone is telling me if you pass the 5wpm code test today (element 1)
along with element 2 (or even separately), that the element 1 portion
is only good for 365 days. I have tried to read part 97 but it is
confusing. It used to be that you always kept credit for any element
taken. So in 3 years if you wanted to upgrade to General, your
element 1 and 2 would be good. What's the story?

For upgrade purposes, 365 days, just like any other element credit on a CSCE.

For operational purposes, forever (until the next rules change or you lose the
document and have no proof of ever having passed code).