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February 5th 04, 02:55 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil trying to go for the jugular but getting only a juggler writes: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , (N2EY) writes: To US who were in the big-time radio communications on HF of a half century ago, that did not involve morse code. There were and still are a lot of "US" involved in that. For some of US who've had more recent experience than yours, morse was involved. For many of us who are actually radio amateurs and who are participants in big-time radio HF communications today, morse code is still involved. What are you doing in big-time HF these days? In big-time HF, not a heckuva lot. There's very little left of the BIG TIME HF communications efforts of a half century ago. There's plenty of BIG-TIME HF communications, Leonard. You simply aren't involved in it any more than you are amateur radio and it didn't happen fifty years ago. Armature radio deeecksing is "big time?" Nope. Not a drop in a bit bucket compared to the communications carriers of not too long ago. You'd LOVE to think it was "big time" but that is only how it is written up in QST. Sure, Leonard. Compared with what is available to you, it is plenty big-time, especially if done right--big towers, big antennas, all the power the law allows. I don't have to read about it, I'm able to participate. The only radio service still requiring morse code for communications is amatoor radio. All the other radio services either gave up on it or never considered it in the first place. I really don't care. Morse is alive and well in amateur radio. I don't use it as my sole operating mode anyway. I was IN worldwide communications on HF over a half century ago. At the time I liked it fine...even felt honored to be able to serve my country doing just that. None of that involved morse code. ...and because you didn't use morse, no one used it at the time or since. A number of us have used morse professionally and as radio amateurs in the decades after you had your "big-time". Nope, snarly dave, the Army gave up on morse code for fixed-point to fixed-point long-distance communications back in 1948, before my service time. The Navy's long-haul fixed comms were the same way. I think you must have your facts in disarray. Same for the USAF although all the branches maintained some morse code proficiency requirements and circuits until the early 70s (rather small efforts). The Air Force never used much two way CW. I'm sure Department of State was able to put some of that obsolete military equipment to good use after it had a life in active military duty. I never used any surplus military gear at all, Lumpy. It was commercial gear all the way. Tens of thousands of skilled radio operators worldwide have used worldwide communications effectively for decades without ever once having to use or know morse code. They have done so for over a half century. Tens of thousands of skilled radio ops worldwide *have* used morse effectively for worldwide communications after your day in the sun. Tens of thousands still do so. Sorry, snarly dave, that's just your Article of Faith. You WANT to think that is true but it's far in the past and never the numbers you can prove. That isn't correct at all, Leonard. My statement is pure fact and I have the log books to back it up. There are plenty of other sources including logs in existence. The PROOF is seeing what radio circuits use what on HF...even when HF was a mainstay of communications carriers. PROOF exists in my logs and the logs of countless others. Would you like some hundreds of thousands of QSOs to peruse? Don't let me stop your rationale invention. Improve the state of the rationale art, innovate, improvise, adapt... The U.S. military did not require any morsemanship to use the very first handheld transceivers (on HF) for communications in 1940. That's 64 years ago. Neither did they require any morsemanship to use the first backpack radio (on VHF) in 1943. That's 61 years ago. Yet the military continued to use morse. What's your point? EVOLUTION, you throwback to failed Darwinism. Do you need a DayGlo billboard to outline it? WAKE UP. Okay, the military continued to use morse long after the introduction of the equipement you mentioned. This demonstrates EVOLUTION in what way? The state of the art of radio communications long since bypassed morsemanship skills. It doesn't take rocket science intellect to use, operate ANY radio. I'd love the opportunity to sit you down in front of my Orion for a few hours... Morsemanship needs only repetitive Pavlovian training to become a wetware modem...provided the basic aptitude is present. NO modern communications carrier uses any morse code. Such skills went byebye some time ago. Teletype Corporation didn't make a half million teleprinters during their corporate existance to copy morse code. Vibroplex didn't make all those paddles and bugs to copy Baudot. I frequently use Baudot though but I don't have equipment manufactured by Teletype or Kleinschmidt. Radio amateurs still use morse regularly. What the commercials do worries me not. I'm enjoying amateur radio as an avocation, not as a business. Dave K8MN Dave K8MN |
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