Alternative Universe Probable Truisms -

1. There would be NO ARRL to provide "guidance" and direction.
That expired before St. Hiram expired. [in this alternative
universe] Newington, CT, would have no museum.

2. There would be NO morse code test since no other radio
service except Maritime Radio used morse code. There
would be NO need to keep a "pool of trained morse radio
operators" for any national need.

3. There would be NO tales of olde-tyme ham doings because
there would be no old-timers left to tell the tales...only
pretenders who longed for a simpler (mythical) life way back
before they were born.

4. The Titanic would have sunk anyway and several movies made
about that tragedy. "Independence Day" would have been
made anyway as a comic science-fiction vehicle for Will Smith
who would later wear black suits and shades.

5. Hallicrafters and National Radio and Heathkit would have gone
belly-up anyway. Collins Radio would have continued on into
the military and commercial radio market without making any
overpriced fancy amateur radios. Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom
would still have been successful in the commercial and
government market. SGC might still exist but in the personal
sailing market. Ten-Tec might not exist.

6. Radio broadcasting would have become successful and tele-
vision broadcasting even more so. "Overseas radiotelephone"
would still exist via the first HF SSB radios in the 1930s. The
first VHF FM mobiles would still be tested by various police
departments in the late 1930s. The military would still be the
first HT user courtesy of Galvin (later Motorola)...and the back-
pack radio ("walkie-talkie" again from Galvin)...and the radio
relay (WW2) and VHF repeater (Korean War) uses...and single-
channel HF SSB (USAF, post WW2)...and aircraft VHF AM
(WW2). HF RTTY circuits would have been formed before WW2
and continued on in wide-bandwidth HF SSB, later to have
much higher data rates from transferrence of modem and
information theory techniques. Cross-country microwave radio
relay would still exist for hundreds of telephone circuits and
many TV circuits on a single link. Government and business
would still have tens of thousands of HT and mobile radios
courtesy of the military WW2 legacy and the invention of
transistors and integrated circuits. Communications satellites
would still exist as soon as rockets could put them up there
(first published paper on that by an up-coming science fiction
writer named Arthur C. Clarke, then a "boffin" in the RAF right
after WW2). All sorts of watercraft would have VHF radios in
harbors due to the success of small land VHF radios. Radio-
sondes by the hundreds of thousands would be used up
annually using simple one-tube (pencil triode in a sheet metal
cavity) transmitters in low microwave frequencies. The cellular
telephone (past legal age in our universe) would still exist by
the millions, morphed into a single-hand package with built-in
video capability. There would still be "headphone radio"
receivers for personal use, sometimes merged with CD players.
"Wireless" would take on a new meaning as hundreds of
thousands of data transceivers linked computers without wires.
"Shortwave" broadcasting would still be trying out digital
sound and finding out that it works despite dire warnings of
impossibility. The U.S. military would still be using digital VHF
manpack radios with encryption for voice and data for a total of
a quarter million sets. None of the preceding required any
"ham radio pioneering."

7. Arthur Godfrey would still get his TV show cancelled. Barry
Goldwater would still unsuccessfully run for U.S. President.
[the fate of Julius LaRosa is unknown in this universe]

8. The Federal Communications Commission would still exist on
approximately the same scale and still trying to privatize
commercial operator testing to save money. Radio use by
non-hams after 1934 grew sufficiently large to require the
agency to continue.

9. "CB" would have been created anyway, a fore-runner of the
license-free personal radio wave of the future. [it is 46 years
old in our universe which already has FRS, R-C, cordless
telephones and wireless gizmos of all kinds]

10. Tens of thousands of electronic/radio hobbyists would be
bereft of Title, Status, Privilege of the Royal-equivalent.
Amateur Radio License that allowed them to add a callsign
behind their names to show how good and expert they were in
"radio." That would make it a bitter scene with many more
fights of the amateurs (minority) with professionals (majority).

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

Alternative Universe Probable Truisms -

1. There would be NO ARRL...

2. There would be NO morse code test...

3. There would be NO tales of olde-tyme ham doings ...

4. The Titanic would have sunk anyway ...

5. Hallicrafters and National Radio and Heathkit would have gone
belly-up anyway...

6. Radio broadcasting would have become successful ...

7. Arthur Godfrey would still get his TV show cancelled...

8. The Federal Communications Commission would still exist on
approximately the same scale...

9. "CB" would have been created anyway...

10. Tens of thousands of electronic/radio hobbyists would be
bereft of Title

11. Leonard H. Anderson would still be on the outside looking in.

Dave K8MN

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Alternative Universe Probable Truisms

Majority of silliness snipped.

10. Tens of thousands of electronic/radio hobbyists would be
bereft of Title, Status, Privilege of the Royal-equivalent.
Amateur Radio License that allowed them to add a callsign
behind their names to show how good and expert they were in
"radio." That would make it a bitter scene with many more
fights of the amateurs (minority) with professionals (majority).

But the fact is that Amateur Radio DID evolve the way it did, and
you are STILL not a licensee in it. Millions of Americans have had no
problem being involved at one time or another, but you, the
"electronics professional", can't seem to get past the front door.
Some professional.

You are still a pathological liar. That is archived and beyond
your Orwellian desires to rewrite history.

You still spend countelss hours trolling for arguments that you
subsequently try to turn into a defensable "it's character
assassination" rants. Still doesn't work.

In the end, you are still more "outside" radio than a motivated
CBer, and never likely to understand why it is your infinite wisdom is
avoided like the plague.

Sucks to be you, Lennie. Wake up and join humanity before Mrs
Putz has to plant you.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes after catching PMS from the gunnery nurse:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Alternative Universe Probable Truisms -

1. There would be NO ARRL...

2. There would be NO morse code test...

3. There would be NO tales of olde-tyme ham doings ...

4. The Titanic would have sunk anyway ...

5. Hallicrafters and National Radio and Heathkit would have gone
belly-up anyway...

6. Radio broadcasting would have become successful ...

7. Arthur Godfrey would still get his TV show cancelled...

8. The Federal Communications Commission would still exist on
approximately the same scale...

9. "CB" would have been created anyway...

10. Tens of thousands of electronic/radio hobbyists would be
bereft of Title

11. Leonard H. Anderson would still be on the outside looking in.

Only for AMATEUR radio.

There's a MUCH LARGER commercial and military world of radio,
Herr Robust. You've only seen a small part of it while in "the
foreign service."

Let's all hear it for those olde-tyme raddio hammes who've been
in ham radio forever and want to make everyone jump through the
same hoops they had to!

Good luck on that one, now...

LHA / WMD

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Sucks to be you, Lennie. Wake up and join humanity before Mrs
Putz has to plant you.

Steve, K4YZ

Spoken like a true humanitarian. I'm sure your heart was in the right place.

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Alternative Universe Probable Truisms

Majority of silliness snipped.

"Silly?" :-) In the eyes of a mighty macho morseman of the
amateur bands (HF) who had less than a half year experience in
the electronic industry, and whose radio education is derived
from the League publishings, I suppose it looks "silly." :-)

No problem for the rest of the radio world. They continued to evolve,
grow, advance, and discover things...and make profits on all that...
without any assistance from amateur radio.

Broadcasting, telephony (cordless and cellular), teleprinting ("data"),
imagery (from facsimile to JPG formats and more), modems (wired
and wireless), information theory, AM-FM-PM and composite
modulations all grew without any "pioneering" by amateurs.

10. Tens of thousands of electronic/radio hobbyists would be
bereft of Title, Status, Privilege of the Royal-equivalent.
Amateur Radio License that allowed them to add a callsign
behind their names to show how good and expert they were in
"radio." That would make it a bitter scene with many more
fights of the amateurs (minority) with professionals (majority).

But the fact is that Amateur Radio DID evolve the way it did, and
you are STILL not a licensee in it. Millions of Americans have had no
problem being involved at one time or another, but you, the
"electronics professional", can't seem to get past the front door.
Some professional.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...I didn't "try" to be a purchasing agent or a truck
driver either. Never tried...but I drove a deuce and a half with
minimal instruction and legal permission to do so from "authorities."

Professionals make money at their activities...that's why they are
called "professional." Amateurs don't...that's why they are called
"amateur."

Tsk, tsk...more hypocrisy...you claim you never said anything bad
about professionals yet there you go making nasty to pros again.

Sigh...think of the alternative. If I got an amateur radio license I
might turn into a bullying barbarian. It wouldn't be nice to have
TWO like you in the newsgroup, would it? :-)


You are still a pathological liar. That is archived and beyond
your Orwellian desires to rewrite history.

I didn't "rewrite history," Stebe. All the OTHER radio services I
wrote about took place in OUR reality, independently, without any
help from ARRL or amateur radio.

Everyone knows about AM and FM broadcasting...it's very common
source of news and some entertainment. Television is and has more
impact than just audio. One in three Americans has a cell phone
subscription now (cell phones are little two-way radios!). Most
Americans know that communications satellites exist and have seen
live video from around the globe (comm sattelites have many little
radios in them). AMSAT has their own satellites but didn't invent
them.

Commercial communications carriers developed Single Sideband out
of equipment used for long-distance wired telephony. Much much later
the military sponsored single-channel SSB communications...THEN it
became popular for amateur radio.

Mobile and handheld FM radio was "pioneered" by police departments
and the military, respectively. In broadcasting, FM popularity is due
to the pioneering of Ed Armstrong, the inventor (among many things)
of the superheterodyne receiver. The rise in popularity of all is due to
the manufacturers of radio equipment, the ones making it affordable.

You still spend countelss hours trolling for arguments that you
subsequently try to turn into a defensable "it's character
assassination" rants. Still doesn't work.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...calling others names like "pathological liar" is rather
much like character assassination to most anyone else... :-)

You are right, though, calling folks such names does NOT work
well. :-)

In the end, you are still more "outside" radio than a motivated
CBer, and never likely to understand why it is your infinite wisdom is
avoided like the plague.

So...telling the truth of history and experience in radio is NOT
true in your alternate reality? :-)

Truth is a "plague?"

If so, may dozens of "plagues" infest your mind with truth!

Might shock the heck out of you to learn truth but you DO have
access to sedatives to calm you down...


Sucks to be you, Lennie. Wake up and join humanity before Mrs
Putz has to plant you.

There's no "Mrs Putz" living at this address.

I've been a part of humanity for a few decades now and likely to continue
despite running across hate-filled, enraged gunnery nurses who try to
bully others on line.

Trying to insult my wife indirectly is not nice. It's your style but it
still
is not nice and doesn't work very well, does it?

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

Sucks to be you, Lennie. Wake up and join humanity before Mrs
Putz has to plant you.

Steve, K4YZ

Spoken like a true humanitarian. I'm sure your heart was in the right place.

Yes...in a jar...

LHA / WMD

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Sucks to be you, Lennie. Wake up and join humanity before Mrs
Putz has to plant you.

Steve, K4YZ

Spoken like a true humanitarian. I'm sure your heart was in the right place.

Slightly left of midline, just like everyone else's, Your Anonymousness.

Steve, K4YZ

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Alternative Universe Probable Truisms

Majority of silliness snipped.

"Silly

Yes...silly. It was a pathetic troll. No more.

No problem for the rest of the radio world. They continued to evolve,
grow, advance, and discover things...and make profits on all that...
without any assistance from amateur radio.

Amateur Radio long ago gave way as a boileroom for technology.
It now serves as fertile ground for spwaning new interest in
electronics for many.

It also continues to provide a very necessary and versatile
public service.

These are facts acknowledged by everyone from Congress to
industry leaders to public officials who have had to call on Amateurs
to respond.

That is doesn't fit your lying rants is inconsequential to anyone
but you, Lennie.

Professionals make money at their activities...that's why they are
called "professionals".

Great. You're on the same playing field as drug dealers and
prostitutes.

Tsk, tsk...more hypocrisy...you claim you never said anything bad
about professionals yet there you go making nasty to pros again.

Nope...to one, ALLEGED "pro".

You keep trying to make it a plural, Lennie, insinuating that
this is my position towards ALL "pros"...

It's not...never was...JUST you...Don't you feel "special"...?!?!

Sigh...think of the alternative. If I got an amateur radio license I
might turn into a bullying barbarian. It wouldn't be nice to have
TWO like you in the newsgroup, would it?

Congratualtions, Lennie...You're ALREADY a bullying
barbarian...Didn't need any federal license or 14 years of night
school to get there, either.

I didn't "rewrite history," Stebe. All the OTHER radio services I
wrote about took place in OUR reality, independently, without any
help from ARRL or amateur radio.

Your OWN history, Lennie...Your OWN. Nice try to redirect, as
failed as it was...

Everyone knows about AM and FM broadcasting...(SNIPPED)

Yes, Lennie...we don't need you to blast the NG with yet another
cut-and-pasted smoke screen for you to hide behind.

You still spend countelss hours trolling for arguments that you
subsequently try to turn into a defensable "it's character
assassination" rants. Still doesn't work.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...calling others names like "pathological liar" is rather
much like character assassination to most anyone else...

It's not a "name", Your Putziness...

It's a fact.

Sucks to be you, Lennie. Wake up and join humanity before Mrs
Putz has to plant you.

There's no "Mrs Putz" living at this address.

There is if there's a female person married to you residing
there.

I've been a part of humanity for a few decades now and likely to continue
despite running across hate-filled, enraged gunnery nurses who try to
bully others on line.

Let's see...WHO is in this forum without any valid experience or
vested interest in the topic, Lennie?

Trying to insult my wife indirectly is not nice. It's your style but it
still
is not nice and doesn't work very well, does it?

I am not insulting your wife...Just her lame husband and her
obvious lack of taste in choosing one.

Steve, K4YZ

This follows on the lines of the thread that Mike and I have commented
on previously, so here goes:

On 18 Jan 2004 20:34:05 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

Alternative Universe Probable Truisms -

1. There would be NO ARRL to provide "guidance" and direction.
That expired before St. Hiram expired. [in this alternative
universe] Newington, CT, would have no museum.

True - no AR, no ARRL. Mr. Maxim would be remembered only as the
inventor of the Maxim Silencer for explosive weapons, and for his work
on automobile silencers (mufflers, I assume).

However, following along with the subject of the thread - the startup
of a "new" Amateur Radio Service" would concievably attract a lot of
people to it - an organization starting up to represent them and their
interests (and take their money) seems like a given.


2. There would be NO morse code test since no other radio
service except Maritime Radio used morse code. There
would be NO need to keep a "pool of trained morse radio
operators" for any national need.

True enough - if amateur radio were invented today, it's pretty
unlikely that Morse Code would be a mandatory requirement or play any
significant role - it's a dead technology in the commercial and
military world today (just spies and some covert military ops remain
professional users of morse signalling today). I believe that it
would be a 'special interest' thing for people who wanted to play
around with it.

I wonder, though, if in the absence of Amateur Radio, something else
might have evolved to meet the need of having extra trained people
available? Perhaps an auxillary (and voluntary) communications corps,
mobilized by the military or local government during times of need?
They might even provide the equipment and training...wouldn't be free,
though - Amateur Radio doesn't cost them much (if anything) to
mobilize.


3. There would be NO tales of olde-tyme ham doings because
there would be no old-timers left to tell the tales...only
pretenders who longed for a simpler (mythical) life way back
before they were born.

Well, there would still be old timers telling tales - just not ham
radio ones


4. The Titanic would have sunk anyway and several movies made
about that tragedy.

Unfortunately, yes. And many other unfortunate events may well have
become much disasters or have increased in magnitude, as there would
have been far less people monitoring the bands and detecting /
relaying emergency traffic if the ARS had not existed.

"Independence Day" would have been
made anyway as a comic science-fiction vehicle for Will Smith
who would later wear black suits and shades.

Uh-huh...even the ARS was unable to save the world from this.


5. Hallicrafters and National Radio and Heathkit would have gone
belly-up anyway. Collins Radio would have continued on into
the military and commercial radio market without making any
overpriced fancy amateur radios. Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom
would still have been successful in the commercial and
government market. SGC might still exist but in the personal
sailing market. Ten-Tec might not exist.

Without the ARS, one indeed wonders how long companies like
Hallicrafters and National would have survived - after WWII, amateur
radio was a large part of their market. Could they have hung on by
just selling radio equipment to SWLs listening to foreign commercial
broadcasts?

Some companies may never have started up in the first place, as their
beginnings were entirely in amateur radio.


6. Radio broadcasting would have become successful and tele-
vision broadcasting even more so. "Overseas radiotelephone"
would still exist via the first HF SSB radios in the 1930s. The
first VHF FM mobiles would still be tested by various police
departments in the late 1930s. The military would still be the
first HT user courtesy of Galvin (later Motorola)...and the back-
pack radio ("walkie-talkie" again from Galvin)...and the radio
relay (WW2) and VHF repeater (Korean War) uses...and single-
channel HF SSB (USAF, post WW2)...and aircraft VHF AM
(WW2). HF RTTY circuits would have been formed before WW2
and continued on in wide-bandwidth HF SSB, later to have
much higher data rates from transferrence of modem and
information theory techniques. Cross-country microwave radio
relay would still exist for hundreds of telephone circuits and
many TV circuits on a single link. Government and business
would still have tens of thousands of HT and mobile radios
courtesy of the military WW2 legacy and the invention of
transistors and integrated circuits. Communications satellites
would still exist as soon as rockets could put them up there
(first published paper on that by an up-coming science fiction
writer named Arthur C. Clarke, then a "boffin" in the RAF right
after WW2). All sorts of watercraft would have VHF radios in
harbors due to the success of small land VHF radios. Radio-
sondes by the hundreds of thousands would be used up
annually using simple one-tube (pencil triode in a sheet metal
cavity) transmitters in low microwave frequencies. The cellular
telephone (past legal age in our universe) would still exist by
the millions, morphed into a single-hand package with built-in
video capability. There would still be "headphone radio"
receivers for personal use, sometimes merged with CD players.
"Wireless" would take on a new meaning as hundreds of
thousands of data transceivers linked computers without wires.
"Shortwave" broadcasting would still be trying out digital
sound and finding out that it works despite dire warnings of
impossibility. The U.S. military would still be using digital VHF
manpack radios with encryption for voice and data for a total of
a quarter million sets. None of the preceding required any
"ham radio pioneering."

Agreed - commercial and military radiocommunications would have grown
anyway. Although some developments came from amateur radio, many more
did not.

A few years ago, I attended a Lucent course on their CDMA (spread
spectrum, code division multiple access) cellular base station radio
equipment. A Qualcomm engineer (CDMA is their patented technology)
started off his presentation by asking us if we knew who invented the
concept of CDMA. Bell Labs? MIT? The military? No. It was a
German actress named Hedy Lamarr! She propsed it as a method of
secret communications back in the 40s - obviously the technology
(powerful computers) to implement it did not exist at the time. He
went on to further amaze the group by informing us that she also
devised the concept of frequency hopping (which I believe was used
during the war - please correct me if I am wrong). Definitely a good
thing that she got out of Germany prior to the war! Hedy was not an
amateur, and had no interest in radio.

Good ideas come from everywhere.

A question: what would not have been invented, or delayed, had the ARS
not existed?


7. Arthur Godfrey would still get his TV show cancelled. Barry
Goldwater would still unsuccessfully run for U.S. President.
[the fate of Julius LaRosa is unknown in this universe]

Absolutely


8. The Federal Communications Commission would still exist on
approximately the same scale and still trying to privatize
commercial operator testing to save money. Radio use by
non-hams after 1934 grew sufficiently large to require the
agency to continue.

I believe that they would, along with IC and all of the other national
regulatory agencies. It's a vast spectrum, and most of their energies
are directed towards management of the commercial sector.


9. "CB" would have been created anyway, a fore-runner of the
license-free personal radio wave of the future. [it is 46 years
old in our universe which already has FRS, R-C, cordless
telephones and wireless gizmos of all kinds]

Probably - people love to communicate! Folks would have seen the
cabbies, police and other commercial operators using 2-way radio
equipment, many ex-military guys would have experienced using the
technology first hand, and would have wanted the same type of system
for themselves. (in the pre-cellular telephone days, anyway...). And,
if there's a market, somebody would have developed it!


10. Tens of thousands of electronic/radio hobbyists would be
bereft of Title, Status, Privilege of the Royal-equivalent.
Amateur Radio License that allowed them to add a callsign
behind their names to show how good and expert they were in
"radio." That would make it a bitter scene with many more
fights of the amateurs (minority) with professionals (majority).

Personally, I don't view my license as a measure of my expertise in
the art of radio. As my examiner told me when he shook my hand after
I passed the test - it's a license to learn.

Nothing more.


LHA / WMD

73, Leo