Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message nk.net... Supposing that the ARRL petition is the form in which the change actually gets made and that all the newly upgraded people get on HF, how is the ham community supposed to "elmer" 300,000+ new HF users all at once? Don't have to Dee. They are already qualified! ;^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"N2EY" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Bill Sohl" writes: Free upgrades for Techs would affect about 322,000 hams. Last year we got about 20,000 new Techs, so the proposed freebie would affect as many existing hams as the new ones we might get in the next 10-15 years. And how could the existing ham community possibly elmer these 300,000+ new HF users should they all decide to be active shortly following that free upgrade. I hate to think of the resulting SSB DX pileups as it is pretty bad now. If a free upgrade goes through and significant numbers move to HF within a short period of time, I suspect that we'll see a lot more DX stations "hiding" in CW. Of course they won't all become active. I suspect a sizable percentage will remain on VHF where they are now (tech's). And if it goes through, since the F.C.C. and the ARRL have decided that they are qualified, they will need no help. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Bill Sohl wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message link.net... Supposing that the ARRL petition is the form in which the change actually gets made and that all the newly upgraded people get on HF, how is the ham community supposed to "elmer" 300,000+ new HF users all at once? Do you really believe for a second that if the upgrades take place that there will suddenly be 300K people "on-the-air" in HF that haven't been? If yes, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Reality check... 1. How many Techs now own an HF rig at all? 2. How many, if upgraded will buy an HF rig? 3. How many Techs are spouses or family members of an existing ham who is already General, Advanced or Extra? 4. How many of existing 300K techs are SK or otherwise inactive anyway? As for "elmering" those that would become Generals, I'm sure many of us are willing to help anyone that asks for help. Of course! One thing I can't stand is the p**sy attitude of some OF's toward newcomers. I'll be happy to Elmer these folk. I'll probably point them toward one of the General Study guides, or even the old General Question pool for one thing. Operation of a station will be another thing, and hopefully we can get them off to a good start. IMO they would be at some handicap at the beginning. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Bill Sohl wrote: "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message link.net... Supposing that the ARRL petition is the form in which the change actually gets made and that all the newly upgraded people get on HF, how is the ham community supposed to "elmer" 300,000+ new HF users all at once? Do you really believe for a second that if the upgrades take place that there will suddenly be 300K people "on-the-air" in HF that haven't been? If yes, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Reality check... 1. How many Techs now own an HF rig at all? 2. How many, if upgraded will buy an HF rig? 3. How many Techs are spouses or family members of an existing ham who is already General, Advanced or Extra? 4. How many of existing 300K techs are SK or otherwise inactive anyway? As for "elmering" those that would become Generals, I'm sure many of us are willing to help anyone that asks for help. Of course! One thing I can't stand is the p**sy attitude of some OF's toward newcomers. I'll be happy to Elmer these folk. I'll probably point them toward one of the General Study guides, or even the old General Question pool for one thing. Operation of a station will be another thing, and hopefully we can get them off to a good start. IMO they would be at some handicap at the beginning. I think there are plenty of folks that have worked DX on VHF and will fit right in. Those that venture into HF that have only repeater experience will, as you note, probably need some helpful direction. I'm with you as to being ready and willing to help anyone. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
m... "Mark Little" wrote in message ... I'm not under FCC regulations so it's a real shame that I appear to know more about them that you do. Awwww...fer Geezus Sakes...yet another know-it-all "I'm-Better-Than-You" antagonist who thinks that his cut-and-paste skills replace those of practical experience in the radio service he would seek to troll through. Not the slightest comment about the original attempt at an insult which was based on ignorance of the facts, but, wow, when there happens to be a return barb pointing out that ignorance, THAT deserves the full righteous indignation treatment. Amusing hyprocisy, but nothing more. You can bet there are and if you've read many of Leonard H. Anderson's posts over the years, you'll find that he doesn't see them. I didn't agree with him. I disagreed with you. His thoughts, past or otherwise, right or wrong, aren't relevant. Since that was what Dave was addressing, I'd say it was VERY relevant. Hardly, since I don't agree with a lot of what Mr Anderson said either. Disagreeing with someone is not the same as agreeing with his opponent, although I suspect that may be a difficult concept for some in this NG. You have a ".au" address...What's your VK call? Is this for an "Hah! He isn't even an Amateur!" sort of thing? Since you have already deemed me a troll, I doubt that you would believe it if I told you. Since I'm sure that you will look up the database to check if I'm lying, you can take the effort to find it in the first place. My initials are MR, not MJ. Of course, I could be lying about that as well. ;-) Or have I misjudged you and you are just looking for a sked? I'll trust your answer, because I don't think everyone who disagrees with what I think is just a troll. ;-) Mark |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message nk.net... Supposing that the ARRL petition is the form in which the change actually gets made and that all the newly upgraded people get on HF, how is the ham community supposed to "elmer" 300,000+ new HF users all at once? Do you really believe for a second that if the upgrades take place that there will suddenly be 300K people "on-the-air" in HF that haven't been? If yes, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Reality check... 1. How many Techs now own an HF rig at all? 2. How many, if upgraded will buy an HF rig? 3. How many Techs are spouses or family members of an existing ham who is already General, Advanced or Extra? 4. How many of existing 300K techs are SK or otherwise inactive anyway? As for "elmering" those that would become Generals, I'm sure many of us are willing to help anyone that asks for help. Cheers, Bill K2UNK It was partially a hypothetical question. Some Techs are inactive anyway so there's probably a signficant portion there. However if even just a third of them get on the air, that's still a big enough increase, even if spread over months, since some will be buying rigs, that it could be a problem for a while. If even 10% of the current Techs get on the HF bands within a relatively short period of time, it will be chaotic for a period of time. But answer this. If they are not going to get on the air, what is the point of the free upgrade??? It is senseless to give people something they are not going to use. Let's take a look at the points 1 to 3. 1. Most Techs that I personally know have an HF+2m rig at home as they are planning to upgrade anyway. Or they have it for all-mode VHF/UHF capability or satellite work. All these people will be in a position to go on the air instantly if free upgrades are instituted. 2. Among the active Techs, a very high percentage can be expected to buy an HF rig as soon as they could afford one. 3. If they are a family member of a higher class licensee and are actually interested in radio for its own sake, they will go on the air immediately. |
"Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Bill Sohl" writes: Free upgrades for Techs would affect about 322,000 hams. Last year we got about 20,000 new Techs, so the proposed freebie would affect as many existing hams as the new ones we might get in the next 10-15 years. And how could the existing ham community possibly elmer these 300,000+ new HF users should they all decide to be active shortly following that free upgrade. I hate to think of the resulting SSB DX pileups as it is pretty bad now. If a free upgrade goes through and significant numbers move to HF within a short period of time, I suspect that we'll see a lot more DX stations "hiding" in CW. Which would, I think, foster more hams to learn and use morse code if they really want that hot DX. And if more hams didn't learn morse to work those DX stations, that'd give more opportunity to work them via DX to current code capable hams. In either case it sounds like something the code enthusiasts should be real happy about. Cheers, Bill K2UNK While that could be a supposed "bright spot", I don't think that is a reason for supporting codeless licenses and free upgrades. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message nk.net... Supposing that the ARRL petition is the form in which the change actually gets made and that all the newly upgraded people get on HF, how is the ham community supposed to "elmer" 300,000+ new HF users all at once? Do you really believe for a second that if the upgrades take place that there will suddenly be 300K people "on-the-air" in HF that haven't been? If yes, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Reality check... 1. How many Techs now own an HF rig at all? 2. How many, if upgraded will buy an HF rig? 3. How many Techs are spouses or family members of an existing ham who is already General, Advanced or Extra? 4. How many of existing 300K techs are SK or otherwise inactive anyway? As for "elmering" those that would become Generals, I'm sure many of us are willing to help anyone that asks for help. Cheers, Bill K2UNK It was partially a hypothetical question. Some Techs are inactive anyway so there's probably a signficant portion there. However if even just a third of them get on the air, that's still a big enough increase, even if spread over months, since some will be buying rigs, that it could be a problem for a while. If even 10% of the current Techs get on the HF bands within a relatively short period of time, it will be chaotic for a period of time. But answer this. If they are not going to get on the air, what is the point of the free upgrade??? It is senseless to give people something they are not going to use. I can turn that around in a heart-beat. If they are not going to get on the air on HF, why would YOU care? Bottom line, none of us know how many will "get into" HF and how many won't. Let's take a look at the points 1 to 3. 1. Most Techs that I personally know have an HF+2m rig at home as they are planning to upgrade anyway. Or they have it for all-mode VHF/UHF capability or satellite work. All these people will be in a position to go on the air instantly if free upgrades are instituted. Do they have an antenna for HF transmitting too? 2. Among the active Techs, a very high percentage can be expected to buy an HF rig as soon as they could afford one. And you base that on what logic or facts? 3. If they are a family member of a higher class licensee and are actually interested in radio for its own sake, they will go on the air immediately. Fine, but they can't be on the same time as their other family member with the HF license. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "Bill Sohl" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message .com... "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Bill Sohl" writes: Free upgrades for Techs would affect about 322,000 hams. Last year we got about 20,000 new Techs, so the proposed freebie would affect as many existing hams as the new ones we might get in the next 10-15 years. And how could the existing ham community possibly elmer these 300,000+ new HF users should they all decide to be active shortly following that free upgrade. I hate to think of the resulting SSB DX pileups as it is pretty bad now. If a free upgrade goes through and significant numbers move to HF within a short period of time, I suspect that we'll see a lot more DX stations "hiding" in CW. Which would, I think, foster more hams to learn and use morse code if they really want that hot DX. And if more hams didn't learn morse to work those DX stations, that'd give more opportunity to work them via DX to current code capable hams. In either case it sounds like something the code enthusiasts should be real happy about. Cheers, Bill K2UNK While that could be a supposed "bright spot", I don't think that is a reason for supporting codeless licenses and free upgrades. That is certainly your perogative. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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writes: While that could be a supposed "bright spot", I don't think that is a reason for supporting codeless licenses and free upgrades. Right...U.S. amateur radio is all about radiotelegraphy. beep, beep LHA / WMD |
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