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Len Over 21 February 25th 04 02:06 AM

In article wMS_b.54293$4o.71175@attbi_s52, "garigue"
writes:

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.


Yepper ...the same idiots I hear on the fishing boats utilizing the "F" bomb
every other word on the bottom of the 30 meter band. CB afloat .... real
role models .... and ya know what ...I don't even like tuna.


Doan wurra much, Tom. Pierre Goral passed away recently to join
his deceased partner in SGC, Don Stoner. Puget Sound (where SGC
is located) is way away from your part of the country. Easterners
probably think that Puget Sound and eastern Washington isn't part of
the USA. :-)

Lots of HF bandspace is there in the spectrum...but hams can't legally
use frequencies outside of their allocated narrow bands. The SG-2020
will tune to the whole of HF. Them tuna catchers in your part of the
country (?) won't mind a bit if you enjoy your cow. Mad.

Ham burghers? Moo bettah. :-)

Beep beep.

LHA / WMD

Steve Robeson, K4CAP February 25th 04 02:56 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Gotta love this logic. You get to fly an airplane solo several times
before you can get a pilots license, but can't get on HF without first
taking a morse code test and getting a license.


ONLY in the "amateur service," Brian.

Way back in 1958 any U.S. civilian could get on HF without any
code test or ANY other test. Been that way ever since.


Not in Amateur Radio...And not in accordance with the Basis and
Purpose of Part 97.

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.


And this is relevent to Amateur radio...HOW...?!?!

Many, many, many government and military personnel operate on
HF quite legally every day without having to take any morse test
to "prove their technical ability" to be a "skilled radio operator."


And this is relevent to Amateur Radio....HOW...?!?!

Nope...in the US of A radio amateurs aren't "real" hams until they
pass that archaic morse test...sez the "amateur community."


"Sez" the non-licensed federal bureaucrats that YOU have
correctly cited as being "in charge", Lennie.

Or have you again changed your position on this?

That's the LAW, and, by [expletive deleted], those olde-tyme
hamme raddio kopps are going to enforce it no matter what!


The "law" is written by and enforced by those non-licensed
federal bureaucrats, Lennie...Not "us".

And your swipe at Amateurs again noted..."I am only here to
civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the "Anthology of
Newsgroup Rhetoric", by Leonard H. Anderson.

Steve, K4YZ

garigue February 25th 04 03:12 AM


Doan wurra much, Tom. Pierre Goral passed away recently to join
his deceased partner in SGC, Don Stoner. Puget Sound (where SGC
is located) is way away from your part of the country. Easterners
probably think that Puget Sound and eastern Washington isn't part of
the USA. :-)


Sorry to hear about the owners ...the fellows I have heard on more that one
occasion mentioned Icom 706s ..oh well ... Len I am thinking of going to the
Pacific NW this summer for some sight seeing. My dad was stationed up at
Ft. Lewis and I would like to see that area. He said it was the most
beautiful place he has ever been. I always considered the PNW to be part of
the US ...now Calif ????

Lots of HF bandspace is there in the spectrum...but hams can't legally
use frequencies outside of their allocated narrow bands.


Boy Len you surely have taught me a lot by that profound statement ....
shoulda used as string of BTs if you were reaching for a coffee or
scratching or something .... I for one find a lot of elbow room in those
"narrow bands"





The SG-2020
will tune to the whole of HF. Them tuna catchers in your part of the
country (?) won't mind a bit if you enjoy your cow. Mad.

Ham burghers? Moo bettah. :-)



Na Pitts ...burghers ..... No tuna here ..some catfish and carp that
taste a little muddy with just a little taste of heavy metals.

Beep beep.



Moo-moo ....

LHA / WMD


Take care Len ...73 Tom KI3R



Dave Heil February 26th 04 03:50 PM

Len Over 21 wrote:

Way back in 1958 any U.S. civilian could get on HF without any
code test or ANY other test. :-) Been that way ever since.


If playing in the Citizen's Band sandbox is what appeals to you,
Leonard, then on with your fun.

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.


If buying a boat in order to be able to operate marine radio equipment
as a secondary hobby is what turns you on, go for it.

Many, many, many government and military personnel operate on
HF quite legally every day without having to take any morse test
to "prove their technical ability" to be a "skilled radio operator."


You're a little old to re-up, Leonard but if you can obtain an age
waiver, I'm sure the military folks won't mind if you want to work some
military DX or chew the fat with a military station in Germany. Have a
blast.

Nope...in the US of A radio amateurs aren't "real" hams until they
pass that archaic morse test...sez the "amateur community."


One thing is for certain. Military ops, boat owners, CBer's and the
like aren't radio amateurs until they pass an amateur radio license
exam. Those others folks aren't a part of that "amateur radio
community" unless or until they do so. You should have that drill down
by now.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil February 26th 04 04:25 PM

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

William wrote:


Mark, you must first understand the mind of Heil and Heil apologists.


You left out "his running dogs and lackeys".


Incorrect...YOU are here...


In article , Dave Heil

writes:

After re-reading Brian's statement and my response, your comment makes
no sense whatever.


Poor baby. Another with intellectual presbyopia. Tsk, tsk.


I had no idea that's what you were diagnosed with, Len.


HAR! YOU are the one diagnosed with it... :-)


Wow, now you're a medical expert too? There's no end to your depth of
knowledge.

Presbyopia: A common condition in humans around 40 and older
where the eyeball becomes less flexible, thus requiring bifocal or
trifocal lens correction for wide-range optical focussing.

Intellectual presbyopia: A common condition among olde-tyme
hammes of the morse persuasion whose mind has become
inflexible and incapable of understanding communications they
are not familiar with or not explained by the League in some
publication such as "Talking for Dummies."


I'll bet you've invented the second definition since it doesn't follow
the things outlined in the first. No eyeballs involved. No bifocals.
No trifocals.



If you look at the whole thing,
perhaps it'll become clear to you how you made your error.


My only "error" is...


Aww, you don't have to be modest, Len.

considering that olde-tyme hammes of the morse
persuasion MIGHT try to be civil or at least accept the fate of morse
testing defeat with some grace. In that regard I was absolutely
wrong and admit it freely. :-)


Lots of us have long noted your civil behavior and your gracious manner
:-) :-) :-)

Dave K8MN

JJ February 26th 04 11:35 PM

Dave Heil wrote:



One thing is for certain. Military ops, boat owners, CBer's and the
like aren't radio amateurs until they pass an amateur radio license
exam. Those others folks aren't a part of that "amateur radio
community" unless or until they do so. You should have that drill down
by now.

Dave K8MN


He does Dave, but he can't pass the test, that is why he has his shorts
in such a wad over us who did.


Len Over 21 February 27th 04 08:22 PM

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Lots of us have long noted your civil behavior and your gracious manner
:-) :-) :-)


...and yours.

LHA / WMD

Dave Heil February 28th 04 05:12 AM

JJ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


One thing is for certain. Military ops, boat owners, CBer's and the
like aren't radio amateurs until they pass an amateur radio license
exam. Those others folks aren't a part of that "amateur radio
community" unless or until they do so. You should have that drill down
by now.

Dave K8MN


He does Dave, but he can't pass the test, that is why he has his shorts
in such a wad over us who did.


He has the option of taking the no-code exam and I have every confidence
that he could pass it. He won't though, as if he's really showing us by
denying himself the license. It won't effect me one way or the other if
Leonard Anderson never obtains an amateur radio license.

Dave K8MN

Steve Robeson, K4CAP February 28th 04 02:55 PM

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
JJ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


He does Dave, but he can't pass the test, that is why he has his shorts
in such a wad over us who did.


He has the option of taking the no-code exam and I have every confidence
that he could pass it. He won't though, as if he's really showing us by
denying himself the license. It won't effect me one way or the other if
Leonard Anderson never obtains an amateur radio license.


I agree with JJ...Lennie Anderson's personal apparatus is
insufficient to get him licensed to operate Amateur Radio apparatus,
so why worry about it.

Even if he did get a ticket, I am willing to bet he'd take that
"I Know Better Than You" attitude to the local repeaters only to find
his coax the target of every knitting needle in Los Angeles County.
He's certainly set the tone here...

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson, K4CAP March 3rd 04 04:03 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Lots of us have long noted your civil behavior and your gracious manner
:-) :-) :-)


...and yours.


Oh NO, Lennie...on THIS stage the bows are ALL YOURS!

Steve and the Boys


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