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Leo wrote in news:1u6i20d300evmf3tgti4gjt5cp20lt8s5e@
4ax.com: On 10 Feb 2004 09:52:50 -0800, (N2EY) wrote: snip Without the ARRL, do you think we'd still have amateur radio? I don't. Um, the rest of the planet does not have the ARRL, and amateur radio is still going strong there..... snip 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo Ah well, Leo, they still think that the United states is the centre of the universe (or even the center of the universe, HI!). We used to think the same thing about the British Empire, and we were wrong too! |
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On 10 Feb 2004 19:47:06 GMT, Alun wrote:
Leo wrote in news:1u6i20d300evmf3tgti4gjt5cp20lt8s5e@ 4ax.com: On 10 Feb 2004 09:52:50 -0800, (N2EY) wrote: snip Without the ARRL, do you think we'd still have amateur radio? I don't. Um, the rest of the planet does not have the ARRL, and amateur radio is still going strong there..... snip 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo Ah well, Leo, they still think that the United states is the centre of the universe (or even the center of the universe, HI!). We used to think the same thing about the British Empire, and we were wrong too! Good point - in the grand scheme of things, it's the ITU who is likely to blame for the continuation of amateur radio on a global scale - the ARRL is but one fish in the big sea (well, a whale maybe, but it's a big sea!) BTW - it looks like you might be back in the British Empire sooner than you think - I saw somebody trying to show you the door a while ago in another post hi!) No problem, as your usher noted, there's some great SSB DX on 7.050 thru 7.100 - might be worth it! 73, Leo |
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On 10 Feb 2004 20:13:36 GMT, Alun wrote:
snip But as of now, Carl has not made a convincing case for free upgrades. 73 de Jim, N2EY I have said as much before, but a real overhaul of licencing will probably require all new grades of licence with all new names and all new test elements. Having read the mail on this proposal, I am convinced that this is the only way to remove the perception of free upgrades. It is only a perception really, as after you change things the same name no longer really means the same thing anyway. Precisely. The Extra being issued today bears little resemblance to the licence of the same name that was issued years ago. Hence the hostile attutude toward the so-called "Extra-lites". Renaming and redefining the levels would fix that - although I suspect that none of the old Extras would ever accept the new category, and continue to use the old classification as long as they could work a key - which would by inference make the Superior into the equivalent of the old Advanced category....... As an aside - I've been reading through a 1975 copy of the "ARRL Operating Manual" that I picked up at a hamfest this weekend. Wow - it was a different world back then in Amateur Radio! Clearly, from the amount of text dedicated to Morse, message relay, traffic handling and other such topics, code was king back then! Worth a read, if you can find one. Just for a laugh, let's call the new licences Entry, Average and Superior, just for the sake of this discussion. The Entry licence could have a low power restriction and limit HF operation to a few specific subbands. The Average licence would give everything else, except, say, a short callsign, which would be reserved for the Superior hams, whilst those of us who know we really are superior could keep the calls we have, ROTFL! Of course, there would have to be rules to determine what class of licence we all end up with. Advanced or Extra would get a Superior licence, Generals would get an Average licence, and Novices would get an Entry licence. There would be, say 18 months notice of this coming into effect, and 12 months experience as a Tech would be required to get an Average licence, Techs licenced for less than 12 months getting an Entry licence (which would give them something like Tech+ privileges anyway, but would probably be a reduction in power). Element 1 would, of course, be abolished next Tuesday! That's an interesting idea. I'll bet that you're gonna be told why it's a bad one soon enough, though - many times, too, I'd reckon..... Have fun replying! 73 de Alun, N3KIP 73, Leo |
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Alun wrote:
a litany snipped so I can concentrate on your post! I have said as much before, but a real overhaul of licencing will probably require all new grades of licence with all new names and all new test elements. Having read the mail on this proposal, I am convinced that this is the only way to remove the perception of free upgrades. It is only a perception really, as after you change things the same name no longer really means the same thing anyway. A wise man once told me that without proof to the contrary, perception becomes truth. Just for a laugh, let's call the new licences Entry, Average and Superior, just for the sake of this discussion. The Entry licence could have a low power restriction and limit HF operation to a few specific subbands. The Average licence would give everything else, except, say, a short callsign, which would be reserved for the Superior hams, whilst those of us who know we really are superior could keep the calls we have, ROTFL! Of course, there would have to be rules to determine what class of licence we all end up with. Advanced or Extra would get a Superior licence, Generals would get an Average licence, and Novices would get an Entry licence. There would be, say 18 months notice of this coming into effect, and 12 months experience as a Tech would be required to get an Average licence, Techs licenced for less than 12 months getting an Entry licence (which would give them something like Tech+ privileges anyway, but would probably be a reduction in power). Element 1 would, of course, be abolished next Tuesday! Have fun replying! My proposal would be to keep Technician, General, and Extra. Technician would be the entry level license, and would have the same access as today. This would be the license that allows people to get their feet wet in Ham radio. VHF and up access allows those that only want repeater access their hobby, and the 6 meter access gives a taste of the wide world below. Tech plus has same privileges as now. Grandfathered in Testing would be at the same level. Lots of RF safety. No one should have ANY form of Ham license without being well versed in RF Safety. General has all the access and privileges as they do now. Testing would be at the same level, but the tests would have more questions geared towards HF operation. I would add more questions overall (how many here equate more questions with "harder"?) Advanced has same privileges as now. Grandfathered in. Extra has all the access and privileges as they do now. Test would be similar to what is done now, but will cover more of the Electronic area of the hobby. No code test for any of the licenses. Novice segments will become part of a band plan for those who want to learn Morse code. Finally, I would like to address those who wish to "fix" the system. No proposal fixes the system!!! Fixing the system would not involve three license classes. Fixing the system would have only one license class, especially since with the end of Morse code testing, there is no reason why the applicant could not study for and take one element that consists of the agreed upon test material. But that will never go over, so IMO, the only alternative is to make an incremental change in the system that we already have that does not remove privileges, and does not give free upgrades that create more problems tan they solve. There ya go! The only real changes are to the testing regimen. No one loses, no one gains. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Alun wrote:
Ah well, Leo, they still think that the United states is the centre of the universe (or even the center of the universe, HI!). We used to think the same thing about the British Empire, and we were wrong too! Trolling, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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"Leo" wrote in message ... On 10 Feb 2004 09:52:50 -0800, (N2EY) wrote: snip Without the ARRL, do you think we'd still have amateur radio? I don't. Um, the rest of the planet does not have the ARRL, and amateur radio is still going strong there..... snip 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo Without the ARRL, US amateur radio would have remained permanently closed after World War I. The other countries did not have enough amateurs to justify keeping the frequencies and it is highly probably that they would have all gone to commercial interests. Everyone wanted the shortwave frequencies at that time and without the US, the foreign amateurs would not have had enough leverage to have held on to the spectrum. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Leo" wrote in message ... On 10 Feb 2004 19:47:06 GMT, Alun wrote: Leo wrote in news:1u6i20d300evmf3tgti4gjt5cp20lt8s5e@ 4ax.com: On 10 Feb 2004 09:52:50 -0800, (N2EY) wrote: snip Without the ARRL, do you think we'd still have amateur radio? I don't. Um, the rest of the planet does not have the ARRL, and amateur radio is still going strong there..... snip 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo Ah well, Leo, they still think that the United states is the centre of the universe (or even the center of the universe, HI!). We used to think the same thing about the British Empire, and we were wrong too! Good point - in the grand scheme of things, it's the ITU who is likely to blame for the continuation of amateur radio on a global scale - the ARRL is but one fish in the big sea (well, a whale maybe, but it's a big sea!) BTW - it looks like you might be back in the British Empire sooner than you think - I saw somebody trying to show you the door a while ago in another post hi!) No problem, as your usher noted, there's some great SSB DX on 7.050 thru 7.100 - might be worth it! 73, Leo As I indicated in another post, early on in amateur radio, it would have been easy for the ITU to have allocated all the frequencies to commericial and government interests. The size of the US amateur community was, in those early days, very probably a key element in keeping an allocation for amateurs. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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In article , Leo
writes: On 10 Feb 2004 09:52:50 -0800, (N2EY) wrote: snip Without the ARRL, do you think we'd still have amateur radio? I don't. Um, the rest of the planet does not have the ARRL, and amateur radio is still going strong there..... In large part that's because of US influence at the international level. Also the IARU, which was founded by guess who? Except for Japanese 4th class licensees, how many hams are there in the rest of the planet? You might want to check out what the rest of the world wanted to do to amateur radio in the 1920s at the Paris conferences.... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Leo" wrote in message ... On 10 Feb 2004 09:52:50 -0800, (N2EY) wrote: snip Without the ARRL, do you think we'd still have amateur radio? I don't. Um, the rest of the planet does not have the ARRL, and amateur radio is still going strong there..... snip 73 de Jim, N2EY 73, Leo Without the ARRL, US amateur radio would have remained permanently closed after World War I. The other countries did not have enough amateurs to justify keeping the frequencies and it is highly probably that they would have all gone to commercial interests. Everyone wanted the shortwave frequencies at that time and without the US, the foreign amateurs would not have had enough leverage to have held on to the spectrum. Doggone it Dee! Your factual post is going to ruin another anti-US rant! 8^) FWIW, I'm really disapointed in thoes two. 8^( - Mike KB3EIA - |
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