In article ,
(William) writes:

JJ wrote in message
...

They would have had to successfully flown solo several times before
getting a license.

Gotta love this logic. You get to fly an airplane solo several times
before you can get a pilots license, but can't get on HF without first
taking a morse code test and getting a license.

ONLY in the "amateur service," Brian.

Way back in 1958 any U.S. civilian could get on HF without any
code test or ANY other test. :-) Been that way ever since.

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.

Many, many, many government and military personnel operate on
HF quite legally every day without having to take any morse test
to "prove their technical ability" to be a "skilled radio operator."

Nope...in the US of A radio amateurs aren't "real" hams until they
pass that archaic morse test...sez the "amateur community."

That's the LAW, and, by [expletive deleted], those olde-tyme
hamme raddio kopps are going to enforce it no matter what!

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
(William) writes:

Gotta love this logic. You get to fly an airplane solo several times
before you can get a pilots license, but can't get on HF without first
taking a morse code test and getting a license.

So, there are a lot of things you must do first before you can solo in
an aircraft, like learning how to land, takeoff, read sectional maps,
navigate using landmarks, use the VOR for navigation, how to operate the
radio and communicate with traffic control using proper procedures ect.,
ect., and prove to the instructor you can do all this and be safe in the
aircraft by yourself. It is a lot more than learning simple Morse code.
And by the way, you must be familier enough with Morse code to be able
to look at the sectional map and interperate dots and dashes so you can
identify VOR's, as the id is sent in code. Them are the rules...don't
like it? then don't get a pilots license or ham license. Until the rules
change, those are the requirements to meet, like it or not.


ONLY in the "amateur service," Brian.

Way back in 1958 any U.S. civilian could get on HF without any
code test or ANY other test. :-) Been that way ever since.

Not on the ham bands.


SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.

But not for operation on the ham bands. Different service, different set
of rules.


Many, many, many government and military personnel operate on
HF quite legally every day without having to take any morse test
to "prove their technical ability" to be a "skilled radio operator."

But not on the ham bands, different service, different set of requirements.

Nope...in the US of A radio amateurs aren't "real" hams until they
pass that archaic morse test...sez the "amateur community."

Yep, until the rules change, to get a license for HF operation you must
pass the code test. You claim you have no interest in getting a ham
license so it shouldn't matter a whit to you, so what's your beef old
man? Oh, I know, you can't pass the test.

That's the LAW, and, by [expletive deleted], those olde-tyme
hamme raddio kopps are going to enforce it no matter what!

No, the olde-type hamme raddio kopps don't enforce anything, the FCC
does and until the FCC changes the rules, it is the law. Even if the
code test requirement is dropped you still won't be able to get a ham
license because you can't pass the test, even as simple as it is today.

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.

Yepper ...the same idiots I hear on the fishing boats utilizing the "F" bomb
every other word on the bottom of the 30 meter band. CB afloat .... real
role models .... and ya know what ...I don't even like tuna.

73 Tom KI3R

In article wMS_b.54293$4o.71175@attbi_s52, "garigue"
writes:

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.

Yepper ...the same idiots I hear on the fishing boats utilizing the "F" bomb
every other word on the bottom of the 30 meter band. CB afloat .... real
role models .... and ya know what ...I don't even like tuna.

Doan wurra much, Tom. Pierre Goral passed away recently to join
his deceased partner in SGC, Don Stoner. Puget Sound (where SGC
is located) is way away from your part of the country. Easterners
probably think that Puget Sound and eastern Washington isn't part of
the USA. :-)

Lots of HF bandspace is there in the spectrum...but hams can't legally
use frequencies outside of their allocated narrow bands. The SG-2020
will tune to the whole of HF. Them tuna catchers in your part of the
country (?) won't mind a bit if you enjoy your cow. Mad.

Ham burghers? Moo bettah. :-)

Beep beep.

LHA / WMD

Doan wurra much, Tom. Pierre Goral passed away recently to join
his deceased partner in SGC, Don Stoner. Puget Sound (where SGC
is located) is way away from your part of the country. Easterners
probably think that Puget Sound and eastern Washington isn't part of
the USA. :-)

Sorry to hear about the owners ...the fellows I have heard on more that one
occasion mentioned Icom 706s ..oh well ... Len I am thinking of going to the
Pacific NW this summer for some sight seeing. My dad was stationed up at
Ft. Lewis and I would like to see that area. He said it was the most
beautiful place he has ever been. I always considered the PNW to be part of
the US ...now Calif ????

Lots of HF bandspace is there in the spectrum...but hams can't legally
use frequencies outside of their allocated narrow bands.

Boy Len you surely have taught me a lot by that profound statement ....
shoulda used as string of BTs if you were reaching for a coffee or
scratching or something .... I for one find a lot of elbow room in those
"narrow bands"





The SG-2020
will tune to the whole of HF. Them tuna catchers in your part of the
country (?) won't mind a bit if you enjoy your cow. Mad.

Ham burghers? Moo bettah. :-)


Na Pitts ...burghers ..... No tuna here ..some catfish and carp that
taste a little muddy with just a little taste of heavy metals.

Beep beep.


Moo-moo ....

LHA / WMD

Take care Len ...73 Tom KI3R

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Gotta love this logic. You get to fly an airplane solo several times
before you can get a pilots license, but can't get on HF without first
taking a morse code test and getting a license.

ONLY in the "amateur service," Brian.

Way back in 1958 any U.S. civilian could get on HF without any
code test or ANY other test. Been that way ever since.

Not in Amateur Radio...And not in accordance with the Basis and
Purpose of Part 97.

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.

And this is relevent to Amateur radio...HOW...?!?!

Many, many, many government and military personnel operate on
HF quite legally every day without having to take any morse test
to "prove their technical ability" to be a "skilled radio operator."

And this is relevent to Amateur Radio....HOW...?!?!

Nope...in the US of A radio amateurs aren't "real" hams until they
pass that archaic morse test...sez the "amateur community."

"Sez" the non-licensed federal bureaucrats that YOU have
correctly cited as being "in charge", Lennie.

Or have you again changed your position on this?

That's the LAW, and, by [expletive deleted], those olde-tyme
hamme raddio kopps are going to enforce it no matter what!

The "law" is written by and enforced by those non-licensed
federal bureaucrats, Lennie...Not "us".

And your swipe at Amateurs again noted..."I am only here to
civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the "Anthology of
Newsgroup Rhetoric", by Leonard H. Anderson.

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:

Way back in 1958 any U.S. civilian could get on HF without any
code test or ANY other test. :-) Been that way ever since.

If playing in the Citizen's Band sandbox is what appeals to you,
Leonard, then on with your fun.

SGC's SG-2020 HF transceiver is sold to private boat owners who
don't have to take any morse test to operate it legally on HF. Not
even if they buy power amplifiers to boost 20 W output to 400 W.

If buying a boat in order to be able to operate marine radio equipment
as a secondary hobby is what turns you on, go for it.

Many, many, many government and military personnel operate on
HF quite legally every day without having to take any morse test
to "prove their technical ability" to be a "skilled radio operator."

You're a little old to re-up, Leonard but if you can obtain an age
waiver, I'm sure the military folks won't mind if you want to work some
military DX or chew the fat with a military station in Germany. Have a
blast.

Nope...in the US of A radio amateurs aren't "real" hams until they
pass that archaic morse test...sez the "amateur community."

One thing is for certain. Military ops, boat owners, CBer's and the
like aren't radio amateurs until they pass an amateur radio license
exam. Those others folks aren't a part of that "amateur radio
community" unless or until they do so. You should have that drill down
by now.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:



One thing is for certain. Military ops, boat owners, CBer's and the
like aren't radio amateurs until they pass an amateur radio license
exam. Those others folks aren't a part of that "amateur radio
community" unless or until they do so. You should have that drill down
by now.

Dave K8MN

He does Dave, but he can't pass the test, that is why he has his shorts
in such a wad over us who did.

JJ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:


One thing is for certain. Military ops, boat owners, CBer's and the
like aren't radio amateurs until they pass an amateur radio license
exam. Those others folks aren't a part of that "amateur radio
community" unless or until they do so. You should have that drill down
by now.

Dave K8MN

He does Dave, but he can't pass the test, that is why he has his shorts
in such a wad over us who did.

He has the option of taking the no-code exam and I have every confidence
that he could pass it. He won't though, as if he's really showing us by
denying himself the license. It won't effect me one way or the other if
Leonard Anderson never obtains an amateur radio license.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
JJ wrote:

Dave Heil wrote:

He does Dave, but he can't pass the test, that is why he has his shorts
in such a wad over us who did.

He has the option of taking the no-code exam and I have every confidence
that he could pass it. He won't though, as if he's really showing us by
denying himself the license. It won't effect me one way or the other if
Leonard Anderson never obtains an amateur radio license.

I agree with JJ...Lennie Anderson's personal apparatus is
insufficient to get him licensed to operate Amateur Radio apparatus,
so why worry about it.

Even if he did get a ticket, I am willing to bet he'd take that
"I Know Better Than You" attitude to the local repeaters only to find
his coax the target of every knitting needle in Los Angeles County.
He's certainly set the tone here...

73

Steve, K4YZ