Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

Yah. Da pros only look to Ten-Tec for information on definitions.

Shure dey do, big daddy dave.

You're getting more bizarre every day.

Hmmm...your Matter Transformer must have malfunctioned in
downloading all that hardware...made you irritable and gave you
IBS.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Ooooo! More foam! :-)

Hell kicked you out?!?

I've been (indirectly) to the Moon, Mars, Venus, all without needing
any license. That includes "working" a station ON the Moon. No
QSL, though, although I've got some printouts on it.

What is all this stuff about going where the damned have gone?
Is morsemanship really all that bad?

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Go easy on Dave. He is busy revolutionizing the Internet by using
it as a transporter to download hardware.

Important work. Actual pioneering.

You might recall that I provided you with a definition for "firmware",
not "hardware" and I pointed you to the Ten-Tec site where downloads of
"Firmware Upgrades" can be undertaken. It looks as if anyone who
depends upon you for accurate information is doomed to disappointment.
You aren't one to let facts stand in your way.

Yah. Da pros only look to Ten-Tec for information on definitions.

Shure dey do, big daddy dave.

You're getting more bizarre every day.

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy. Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Hmmm...your Matter Transformer must have malfunctioned in
downloading all that hardware...made you irritable and gave you
IBS.

I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

He'll go where no ham has gone before...

I've already been to several places where damned few have gone.
Any licensed ham is apt to have gone a number of places where you've not
been.

Ooooo! More foam! :-)

Naw, Len, just more fact.

Hell kicked you out?!?

I've been (indirectly) to the Moon, Mars, Venus, all without needing
any license. That includes "working" a station ON the Moon. No
QSL, though, although I've got some printouts on it.

As far as I'm concerned, Leonard, you're still waaaaay out there.

What is all this stuff about going where the damned have gone?
Is morsemanship really all that bad?

I see you in an amateur radio purgatory--still waiting for a decision on
whether you'll be in or out.


Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil emineminent scientist
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy.

Noooo...I provided the definition based on the whole rest of the
electronics industry.

Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Snarly dave, stay in retirement on that pension...you couldn't get
a job in the real electronics industry under your daffynitions.

Go play with your radios and try to understand the instructions for
your mighty orion. Are they written in English?


I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

It's hard to play straight in this radio vaudeville slapstick. :-)

Don't forget the HCF instruction!


I see you in an amateur radio purgatory--still waiting for a decision on
whether you'll be in or out.

Poor baby. Your imagination giving you poor pictures again?

Develop them. I suggest Kodak D-76.

Dial up Ten-Tec and see if they have some fantasy firmware to
download. Upgrade your imagination.

LHA / WMD

On 05 Feb 2004 20:00:23 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

snip

Poor baby. Your imagination giving you poor pictures again?

Develop them. I suggest Kodak D-76.

Now THAT brought back memories - rolling 620 Verichrome Pan film into
the developing tank under that @#$%^ dark green safelight....mixing
the developer and getting it to exactly 68 degrees F.......another
hobby, another time - long ago.

D-76 is good for B&W film only, though. These discussions are far too
colourful for anything less than Ektachrome.....definitely Kodak
moments, though!

snip

LHA / WMD

73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

On 05 Feb 2004 20:00:23 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

snip

Poor baby. Your imagination giving you poor pictures again?

Develop them. I suggest Kodak D-76.

Now THAT brought back memories - rolling 620 Verichrome Pan film into
the developing tank under that @#$%^ dark green safelight....mixing
the developer and getting it to exactly 68 degrees F.......another
hobby, another time - long ago.

D-76 is good for B&W film only, though. These discussions are far too
colourful for anything less than Ektachrome.....definitely Kodak
moments, though!

You had a safelight? I was so poor I had to catch fireflies and keep
them in an old jelly jar for a safelight. Only had the red-orange fire-
flies in my growing-up town, no green. :-)

I'll omit mentions of Microdol, forced development to extend Super-
XX film speed, Promicrol film developer or FR monobaths, the lovely
odor of acetic acid stop-bath, DuPont Varigam filters, bulk-load 5-
roll-packs of 35mm and double changing bags, SLRs and the
ability to hold depth-of-field as you wanted it while composing the
picture in the pentaprism viewfinder. Those have nothing to do with
amateur radio policy discussions about Janet Jackson's breast
or her sister Michael.

I still have the old developing trays and print dryer, long since
converted to etching trays for PCBs and a heater for the trays to
use the last, loaded ferric chloride etchant in the jug. All my
photography has gone digital and "processing" done in the
computer.

All but one of the PCTAs in here buy ready-made rigs, don't
make their own. The holdout PCTA "designs his own ham
equipment" such as the Elecraft K2 kit he made. :-) All are
"advancing the state of the amateur art" and showing "the unique
ability of the amateur to extend good will" (as stated in FCC's
47 C.F.R. 97.1). :-)

How a boot dat, ey? :-)

LHA / WMD

On 07 Feb 2004 06:57:52 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

On 05 Feb 2004 20:00:23 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

snip

Poor baby. Your imagination giving you poor pictures again?

Develop them. I suggest Kodak D-76.

Now THAT brought back memories - rolling 620 Verichrome Pan film into
the developing tank under that @#$%^ dark green safelight....mixing
the developer and getting it to exactly 68 degrees F.......another
hobby, another time - long ago.

D-76 is good for B&W film only, though. These discussions are far too
colourful for anything less than Ektachrome.....definitely Kodak
moments, though!

You had a safelight? I was so poor I had to catch fireflies and keep
them in an old jelly jar for a safelight. Only had the red-orange fire-
flies in my growing-up town, no green. :-)

My flies all died, so I bought the light. It was so dim, it took
about 10 minutes before you could vaguely see anything at all in the
darkroom. Finally gave up and learned to load the tank by
feel....still remember the bright light (caused by static electricity,
I suppose) when removing the tape at the end of the 620 film, securing
it to the backing paper......looked pretty cool in the dark!


I'll omit mentions of Microdol, forced development to extend Super-
XX film speed, Promicrol film developer or FR monobaths, the lovely
odor of acetic acid stop-bath, DuPont Varigam filters, bulk-load 5-
roll-packs of 35mm and double changing bags, SLRs and the
ability to hold depth-of-field as you wanted it while composing the
picture in the pentaprism viewfinder. Those have nothing to do with
amateur radio policy discussions about Janet Jackson's breast
or her sister Michael.

Or Kim's callsign.


I still have the old developing trays and print dryer, long since
converted to etching trays for PCBs and a heater for the trays to
use the last, loaded ferric chloride etchant in the jug.

All my photography has gone digital and "processing" done in the
computer.

Same here - never did get in to colour developing using the old
chemicals anyway - too buggy. Photoshop is much better, and a lot
easier to clean up!


All but one of the PCTAs in here buy ready-made rigs, don't
make their own. The holdout PCTA "designs his own ham
equipment" such as the Elecraft K2 kit he made. :-) All are
"advancing the state of the amateur art" and showing "the unique
ability of the amateur to extend good will" (as stated in FCC's
47 C.F.R. 97.1). :-)

How a boot dat, ey? :-)

Len, I tink you got dat right fer sure, eh?


LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil emineminent scientist
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy.

Noooo...I provided the definition based on the whole rest of the
electronics industry.

You provided? Your statement seems at odds with the other definitions
in existence.

Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Snarly dave, stay in retirement on that pension...you couldn't get
a job in the real electronics industry under your daffynitions.

Go play with your radios and try to understand the instructions for
your mighty orion. Are they written in English?

I'll take that as your only way of conceding a point.

I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

It's hard to play straight in this radio vaudeville slapstick. :-)

I'll bet it is, especially when you have no material. You'll have to
fall back on your usual, the tap dancing routine.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil emineminent scientist
writes:


Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil



writes:

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy.

Noooo...I provided the definition based on the whole rest of the
electronics industry.


You provided? Your statement seems at odds with the other definitions
in existence.

Like:

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/firmware

http://dict.die.net/firmware/

http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=112

http://playground.sun.com/1275/bindi...-pic-1_1d.html

hmm, even the IEEE has it wrong too! ;^)

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definit...212127,00.html

http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_firmware.html

http://www.cheap-computers-and-cheap.../Firmware.html

http://iroi.seu.edu.cn/books/ee_dic/whatis/firmware.htm

The internet, superb source of information that it is, wasn't able to
provide any other definitions of firmware.


Again, I provided you with a definition and a link to
the Ten-Tec site containing the term. Take it up with the providers of
the serveral definitions I found online and/or with Ten-Tec. They don't
seem to support your earlier statements on the topic.

Snarly dave, stay in retirement on that pension...you couldn't get
a job in the real electronics industry under your daffynitions.

Go play with your radios and try to understand the instructions for
your mighty orion. Are they written in English?


I'll take that as your only way of conceding a point.


I'll correct you once again. I never wrote of downloading hardware. I
wrote of downloading firmware upgrades. Do try and keep things
straight.

It's hard to play straight in this radio vaudeville slapstick. :-)


I'll bet it is, especially when you have no material. You'll have to
fall back on your usual, the tap dancing routine.

Be nice, Dave! ;^)

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil emineminent
scientist
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Maybe it slipped your mind that the definition did not come from
Ten-Tec, old boy.

Noooo...I provided the definition based on the whole rest of the
electronics industry.

You provided? Your statement seems at odds with the other definitions
in existence.

Poor baby. You've never programmed a PLD or even erased and
re-burned an EPROM, have you? You don't know what "microcode"
for a minicomputer is (the instruction set decoder and router) and
haven't programmed a single CPU

You haven't had an associate membership in the ACM and I'll bet
you don't know what the acronym stands for. Your acrimony stands
in the way of understanding acronyms not defined by ARRL.

Put you in front of a Microchip PIC Assembler Development Program
and you would be LOST, even for the "entry-level" PIC, the 16F84.
You wouldn't know any details of the PIC 16F71 that AADE uses
(it's used in Neil's neat little frequency counter sold to many hams).

You don't know the difference between Assembler and Interpreter
and Compiler programs, haven't done squat about learning any of
that, or using them in any sort of designed-by-self application, yet
you have the puerile perfidy to accuse working electronics
engineers of "not knowing something."

All you can do is BEEP, little fella, and walk around stuffy and
like the south end of a mule going north bray a bunch of nonsense
you don't know about. You talk only bullstuff BLUFF, herr robust.

I'll take that as your only way of conceding a point.

Noooooo. Snarly dave, you just can't take anything.

Your idea of "concession" in opinions is to CONCEDE to your
nonsense BLUFF at knowing anything about electronics-radio
hardware and theory.


I'll bet it is, especially when you have no material. You'll have to
fall back on your usual, the tap dancing routine.

Had a pair of Haney Plates once...but you have NO idea what
those are, either, do you?


Snarly dave, to make amends, I'd like to buy you a bier...except
I know you wouldn't take that lying down...

LHA / WMD