On 03 Apr 2004 19:28:24 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

snip

Please excuse my absence. I am preparing some Replies to
Comments to my government on federal regulations.

Which is a very commendable and proactive thing to do - and is, as you
know, the only effective method of advising the regulatory folks of
valid objections to their proposed new rules and policies. The more
cogent objections that they receive, the better.

Thank you, Len, for taking the time to do so. Your effort is
appreciated.

I'm sure that you agree that those who do not see themselves as being
part of the solution are usually part of the problem.....

No doubt I
will once again by rewarded by an Amateur Extra licensee
demanding I be censored and censured for exercising my First
Amendment Rights to my government.

Of course - more than one, most likely. And that syndrome is. I
think, what annoyed Carl enough to prompt this posting (and he
certainly ain't alone there...). For example, you post something,
then several others jump on you to 'prove you wrong', then others jump
on them to 'prove them wrong', etc. Newsgroup warriors (MinutiaeMen?)
all, fighting a never-ending battle for something or other.....but the
real issues, those which threaten the amateur radio hobby, will not
be decided in this forum. Or in that manner.

It would be good to see some of that energy channeled into positive
and proactive channels - such as replying to the FCC on issues which
threaten the hobby. Which you, and a few others, have done and
continue to do.

Others, unfortunately, don't see it that way.

In my opinion, it's similar to the election process - if some guy
didn't take the time to go out and vote, who cares when he complains
that the wrong guy won....TS, I say.


Censorship is wonderful, don't you wish everyone had it?

Not censorship - perhaps initiative?


LHA / WMD

73, Leo

Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra'
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 4/3/2004 10:50 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , (ugly
little mentally-seven-year-old very-amateur extra) writes:

Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra'
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 4/2/2004 4:19 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science.

I know "rocket science" after working three years at
Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers
of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage
engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter).

I am sure that while cleaning the floors and emptying out thier
ashtrays
and coffee cups, you got to know a LOT of "rocket scientists"...Probably
even
picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough
to get his pants off....

Tsk, tsk, tsk...ugly little comment from an ugly little person.

Members of the Technical Staff III didn't do janitorial services at
Rocketdyne. That was my work title...(SNIP)

That IS what all your pontificating, strutting and crowing is ALL
about, Lennie...

Titles...

You belittle every licensed Radio Amateur for alledgedly being predisposed
with "rank, title and priviledge", yet it's your own "rank, title and
priviledge" that you want to talk about here.

Hot flash, Lennie...

All that spouting about Rocketdyne, your FCC first phone ticket, etc etc
etc got you absolutely not ONE step closer to being a licensed Amateur.

Not one.

The Deformable Mirror program...(SNIP)

...has absolutely nothing to do with Amateur Radio, BPL, Morse Code
testing, my service in the Marines or your lack of any practical experience in
the Amateur Radio Service, although I am sure it helped you vent a lot of
frustration and made you feel like a big man for reciting it yet again...

And through ALL OF THAT, you're STILL a putz.

Sheeeeesh.

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: Proposal to rename RRAP ... (was - New Candidate for
'Youngest
Extra')
From: "Carl R. Stevenson"
Date: 4/2/2004 7:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others
rag on each other endlessly.alt"
and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to
discuss
amateur radio regulatory and policy
issues ...

I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that
is
OT and doesn't belong here ...
most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed
to
be for because of the volume
of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ...

Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in
rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why
this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly -
to
provide a place for the serious
regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the
sort of argue_about_off_topic_things
fest that you guys have going on here ...

OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive
deleted for Jim's benefit] off ...

Carl - wk3c

Thank-you for having expressed your God Given Opinon in accordance
with
your Constitutional Rights, Carl.

Veterans, Take a bow. Carl made use of your sacrifices.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve ... why the [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] do you have to play
the "veterans" card?
I have an honorable discharge, too ... Vietnam era, though I never left the
states ... but I don't see a need to flaunt it ... why do you seem to play
on your military service when you don't have a good excuse for bad behavior?

Carl - wk3c

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: Proposal to rename RRAP ... (was - New Candidate for
'Youngest Extra')
[snip]

Gentlemen, your comments are well spoken and have much merit.

I wonder why, however, many of you selectively decide when to complain
about the "noise".

Steve,

The endless bickering and personal attacks that fundamentally have nothing
to do with amateur radio policy and everything to do with personal grudges
and vendettas have reached a level where they are almost totally dominating
the newsgroup on many, if not most, days.

I believe that a lot of good folks, like Ed Hare, for one ... aren't around
any more because they got sick of wading through all of the extraneous crap
....
our "community" here is worse off for the loss of such folks' contributions
to the *real* discussions, and it's a shame ...

Carl - wk3c

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others
rag on each other endlessly.alt"
and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to discuss
amateur radio regulatory and policy
issues ...

I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is
OT and doesn't belong here ...
most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to
be for because of the volume
of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ...

Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in
rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why
this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly - to
provide a place for the serious
regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the
sort of argue_about_off_topic_things
fest that you guys have going on here ...

OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive
deleted for Jim's benefit] off ...

Carl - wk3c

Carl, Steve needs professional help.

bb

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:

I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is
OT and doesn't belong here ...
most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to
be for because of the volume
of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ...

Newsgroup BPL, Carl. If there is an upside to this sad state of
affairs, it is pretty easy to see who all is posting the acrimony and
avoid it.

"Noise" can be much reduced by making and installing appropriate
shielding structures.

The key to happiness and nirvana would be a restricted-access
newsgroup, moderated so that all got along happily ever after.
That is the "shielding" which can be applied to keep out independent
thought, outside interference, and find sanctuary for all worshipping
the past of "the service" just like they had to do.

Of course someone who has bad screen days in here should
expend the effort to begin constructing such "shielding." Everyone
talks about it but no one is doing anything about it.

"Mankind invented language to satisfy his need to complain." - anon.

LHA / WMD

Maybe nocall JJ should be the moderator. He has shown a propensity to
know what is right and just, and having no call, could be a proponent
for the unlicensed and unwashed.

And if you don't believe me, just ask him.

bb

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (ugly

...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off....

Tsk, tsk, tsk...ugly little comment from an ugly little person.

Steve really does have a predeliction for homosexual suggestion.

Wonder if he belongs to NAMBLA HAMS?

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Forever calling other people names.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...

Veterans, Take a bow. Carl made use of your sacrifices.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve abuses your sacrifice.

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:


The endless bickering and personal attacks that fundamentally have nothing
to do with amateur radio policy and everything to do with personal grudges
and vendettas have reached a level where they are almost totally dominating
the newsgroup on many, if not most, days.

I believe that a lot of good folks, like Ed Hare, for one ... aren't around
any more because they got sick of wading through all of the extraneous crap
...
our "community" here is worse off for the loss of such folks' contributions
to the *real* discussions, and it's a shame ...

Carl - wk3c

If you start ignoring lenny the lame, cber stevie the stupid, and wee
willie winkie, things get better.