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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: In a contest which is an order of magnitude tougher than SS never mind silly FD. Radio picnic. Maybe when *you* do it... Go ahead, keep pushing yer luck . . Whata re ya gonna do - call me names? Nah, I have a much more appropriate plan in mind . . I had equipment FUBARS, I did not wimp out because I was afraid to take on "your game". Equipment trouble is par for the course on FD. Part of the game, like bad weather and insects. Uh . . yeah . . been there too . . point please? Take that line of rationalizations out to it's obvious limit and ya don't "need" a ham license either. Sure ya do. The line is drawn when you get on the air. No, we're talking about "repackaging" yer poor lame Southgate 8 contraption into an xcvr which would sell in 2004. Does not require a ham license to do that but does require more than just three lousy bands out of ten and more than only one hundred year old mode. Built me a digital dial back in 1975 from TTL. Work with almost any HF ham rx, regardless of heterodyne scheme or VFO range. Worked with the Type 4 one day and an S line the next. This was *before* there were designs for similar units on the market or in the big ham magazines. I still have it somewhere. Found out after all that work that I preferred analog dials. Ya hung an S20 Sky Champion german silver dial on yer K2 did ya? Better'n some lame 5 to 1 slippy balldrive thing. Swords into plowshares, anyway. Ever hear the terms "shaft encoder" or "PTO"? Sure. But the only advantage of those things is linearity. Bwaaahaha! As if! reception anywhere around where thee or me live so fugeddit, yer VFO is not a "solution" for some "phase noise problem". No, that's not phase noise. You don't hear phase noise directly that way. If phase noise doesn't manifest itself as crud that's all that matters vs. a VFO. You want I should hang a spectrum analyzer on the oscillators during a dx contest or what? Other pins they stuck in sacred balloons: They don't use QSK, PTT works just fine. The AGC is always ON. All you did was blow up some different sacred balloons. .. . . nah, we been here before, same old sacred balloons . . heh heh . .. 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil determined to be as snarly as possible scribbles in crayon: Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur community. And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant. I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary compensation. Right. There you go back into your professional background. I've been working on that professional background for 51 years. :-) ....and sitting on it for just as long :-) That isn't amateur radio. That isn't HAM radio, sweetums. "Amateur" is defined as "without pecuniary interest." Even the FCC defines amateur radio that way. Looks like you're tangled in another Andersonian misdefinition. Lots of us are hobbyists in any number of fields. You are out standing in your field now. You're some kind of hobbyist. You aren't a radio amateur. Poor baby. Still so confused, scrunching up his fat little fingers, bound and determined to Have His Way! :-) It isn't my way. You are not a radio amateur under anyone's defintion of the term. Hobbyists in radio are defineable as amateurs in radio if they do not make any income from it. Only some SWL with delusions of grandeur would tell his friends that he is a radio amateur. The terms "amateurs in radio" are not synonymous with "amateur radio" or "radio amateur". LICENSES in amateur radio are required to transmit RF on allocated amateur radio bands in order to be legal with the federal government. Really? You constantly amaze those of us who hold such licenses. We had NO IDEA that such was the reason for those licenses. You're a fountain of readily obtainable and commonly known information. Poor baby, doesn't understand that amateur radio licenses are NO GOOD outside of allocated amateur bands. That's true. Anyone can verify that with Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, especially in Parts 1 and 2.. Well, poor Leonard, I think those of us holding such licenses are well aware of just where in the RF sprectrum we may use them. That's another great piece of commonly known information you've provided. I'm ever so grateful. Did you know that the federal government can operate all kinds of RF emitters without having ANY operators licensed? True. A ham license there isn't worth the price of a ham sandwich. No criminal liability! Super "news", Len, though I don't have the slightest idea of why I'm supposed to care. Don't you just HATE it when your rant gets destroyed? I dunno about anything being destroyed. It seems you've decided on a detour. I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without pecuniary interest since 1947. Bully for you. You haven't been involved in amateur radio at all. :-) I haven't been involved in LICENSED amateur radio. Just a bootlegger, huh? Too bad I can't bring up Jim Fisk as a reference (he is SK). I don't know about Alf Wilson, W6NIF, or Rich Rosen. Yep, "Ham Radio" magazine and Jim Fisk are both defunct. They were rather involved with HAM RADIO. :-) Yep. They were also involved in ham radio. You aren't. I guess you really showed us, huh? That's not difficult. :-) You'll have to do a lot better than you've been doing. I returned your snipped line to its rightful place. We wouldn't want you to mislead others now, would we? Anyone can read these public postings without your selective editing. :-) You did the selective edit. I replaced what you cut. You don't seem to comprehend half of it, but that's quite another problem and all yours. I don't think so. If you were better able to express your thoughts and if they reflected facts, there might not be a problem. Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment unless they have an amateur license. You can read up on it in "Now You're Talking". Morsemanship isn't "talking." It's beeping. You'll have to start somewhere, Len. Since the 5 wpm "Extra right out of the box" was too high a hurdle, you might want to start with no code test. Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved. Wrong. NOBODY can become unvolved until they take steps to do so. You can read up on astronomy. That alone does not make you an astronomer. Oh? Astronomers need to be "licensed" and take a morse test? Is that what you think I wrote? I'm beginning to see that you and Brian share more than a few traits. You can peruse magazines and books on auto repair. Those things alone do not make you a car mechanic. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Riiiiight. I guess Kragen and all those auto parts stores are doomed for lack of sales, right? :-) I didn't bring up auto parts stores. I wrote that simply reading a book or magazine doesn't make you a car mechanic. Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse code and get a ham license. Wrong. You've been corrected on this same mis-statement of yours on a number of occasions. It is "interest in AMATEUR radio", Leonard. Noooo, noooo. You are desperately trying to hang on but are inexorably drawn over the edge. It's a very long drop below you... You can type "Noooo, noooo" until your fingers bleed. That won't change things. Every time I've written "interest in amateur radio" or "interested in amateur radio", you've responded with this "interest in radio" thing. Your "interest in radio" can be satisfied by tuning in Sean Hannity. LICENSED amateur radio is what you are trying (vainly) to say and then only to be legal with the federal government on transmitting RF energy WITHIN allocated amateur radio bands. As the FCC explains, an amateur radio license is NOT required for transmitting RF energy outside of amateur radio bands. That sort of thing is quite illegal. :-). Where've you been? Have a nice nap, did you? That's only for CIVILIAN radio services and the FCC has NO jurisdiction over government users of radio. Great. Become a government user of radio. But, did you know that UNLICENSED civilians can use certain allocated radio bands and transmit RF energy without taking a single test? True! Been several of those since 1958! Ask the FCC about non-amateur radio services if you are too "involved" in amateur radio activity to go look it up. :-) Super. Enjoy your channelized slices of post-1958 spectrum. You still aren't a radio amateur. Neither your decades-long "interest" nor your "Extra right out of the box" boast of several years ago have resulted in your having taken a single step toward obtaining even the most basic level of amateur radio license. Poor baby. Still angry over the past? Why would I be angry that you haven't lived up to your boast? You STILL can't understand why I am here. I've explained it enough times, but your have this set-in-concrete mind that can't get flexible enough to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nobody seems to understand why you're here. You aren't a regulator. You aren't a radio amateur. You've commented to your government. Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless they already possess an amateur radio license. Right. You've commented. End of involvement. Not even close to the "end." "Comments" are NOT "involvement" even in your distorted little Middle Earth view, Frodo. [you aren't Golem, but the resemblance is there] Comments are much involvement as you'll have in amateur radio, Leonard. A number of them did merit explanation after you attempted to twist them into something else. It is "interested in AMATEUR radio". Why do you persist in deleting that very important word? Sigh..."amateur" refers to an activity without pecuniary interest. The FCC uses those same words. [the FCC granted your amateur radio license] *Sigh* You aren't a radio amateur. The FCC did not grant you an amateur radio license. The word "amateur" (with or without all-capitals) does not explicitly say TRANSMISSION OF RF ENERGY IN ALLOCATED AMATEUR RADIO BANDS. Your prized amateur radio license is NO GOOD for legal transmission of RF energy OUTSIDE of allocated amateur bands. More info from Leonard H. Anderson, fountain of already known information. In fact, in some U.S. civilian radio services it is perfectly legal to transmit RF energy WITHOUT a license of any kind!!! Sunovagun! That's great. Go there. Do that. Poor baby. Another Heilian rant shot down in flames. Len, you wouldn't want it put to a vote about who is the r.r.a.p. ranter. You've misdefined your interest. Not me. YOU. All wrong, Golem...er, I mean Frodo. I HAVE defined my "interest" quite correctly. That you totally refuse to believe it is not my problem. Yours. You've have never stated your obvious interest: to post frequent, lengthy items in a newsgroup about amateur radio. Your intellectual presbyopia is glaringly obvious. Is it as obvious as your obsessive-compulsive need to haunt an amateur radio newsgroup? You have interest in internet newsgroup posting. No more so than regular physical exercise. :-) Typing is your idea of regular physical excercise? :-) :-) You have interest in outlining your past professional glories. I've spent 51 years in professional radio-electronics activity and none of it can qualify as "glorious." I believe you. Now just sell that idea to yourself. Intellectually INTERESTING, yes, and some of it quite enjoyable. If some of it was more involved than what you did, TS, that's the breaks of life. ....and if some of it was less interesting and less involved that what I did, you'll have to live with it. Besides, I'm a radio amateur in addition. Maybe your distemper is flaring up again because I got assigned to a very large HF transmitting facility while in the U.S. Army...and got rank and responsibility operating many high-powered HF transmitters. 51 years ago. Before your first hamme raddio license. TS for you. Your kidding, right? You aren't involved in amateur radio. Not involved in TRANSMITTING RF ENERGY ON ALLOCATED HAM BANDS, true. :-) Don't sweat it, Len. You can inhale some of that transmitted RF energy on allocated ham bands with your trusty Icom receiver, as an SWL. TRANSMIT, Baggins, TRANSMIT. Like in legal RF energy within those tight, confining HF band bounds. Oh, we're allowed to receive too, Len. It is actually highly encouraged to do some of both. We can even turn the stuff off and watch a movie or read a book. I have all the room I need within to tight, confining amateur bands denied to you. I'm just advocating the elimination of morse code testing for any radio license but you desperately want to make that some kind of grande production of drama and pathos, a giant mountain built out of a mole hill of your old morse message blanks. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you try such theatrics! Do you have an interest in the theater? :-) "I'm just", "I'm just". Who asked you? Do I have an interest in theater? Oh yes. My interest extends to attending plays and watching films. I don't attempt to tell anyone associated with theater how to act, nor would I attempt to outline how regulations governing theater production or movie making should be changed. I'd never call for a minimum age for actors either. I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other emotionally-seven-year-old Extras. Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-) They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you can be. Dave K8MN |
In article , Dave Heil
writes: I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other emotionally-seven-year-old Extras. Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-) They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you can be. Poor baby. Still INVOLVED with tossing personal insults and nasty comments to others that don't agree with your views. Your behavior remains constant at emotional tantrum level equal to the average seven-year-old. Try addressing SUBJECTS instead of the personalities who comment against your views. Few care one whit about your perceived personal affronts or the emotional injuries you seem to suffer while reading these posts. Grow thicker skin. Now go sit down in front of your tansceiver and have an oriongasm. LHA / WMD |
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil writes: I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other emotionally-seven-year-old Extras. Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-) They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you can be. Poor baby. Still INVOLVED with tossing personal insults and nasty comments to others that don't agree with your views. Poor Leonard. Unable to accept a simple statement of fact. It would make no difference if you agreed with my views. You'd still have no involvement in amateur radio. Your behavior remains constant at emotional tantrum level equal to the average seven-year-old. Leonard, meet Leonard. Try addressing SUBJECTS instead of the personalities who comment against your views. Few care one whit about your perceived personal affronts or the emotional injuries you seem to suffer while reading these posts. Grow thicker skin. So I'm to do as you say and not as you do. Is that it? Now go sit down in front of your tansceiver and have an oriongasm. I'll sit in front of it or not as I choose. I'll excercise the privileges granted by my license or I won't given my mood. I'll do as I like; you do as you can. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Dave Heil writes: I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other emotionally-seven-year-old Extras. Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-) They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you can be. Poor baby. Still INVOLVED with tossing personal insults and nasty comments to others that don't agree with your views. Poor Leonard. Unable to accept a simple statement of fact. It would make no difference if you agreed with my views. You'd still have no involvement in amateur radio. Your behavior remains constant at emotional tantrum level equal to the average seven-year-old. Leonard, meet Leonard. Try addressing SUBJECTS instead of the personalities who comment against your views. Few care one whit about your perceived personal affronts or the emotional injuries you seem to suffer while reading these posts. Grow thicker skin. So I'm to do as you say and not as you do. Is that it? Now go sit down in front of your tansceiver and have an oriongasm. I'll sit in front of it or not as I choose. I'll excercise the privileges granted by my license or I won't given my mood. I'll do as I like; you do as you can. Dave K8MN Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. |
In article , Robert Casey
writes: Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. I know "rocket science" after working three years at Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter). I've also had four other [expletive deleted] radio licenses. [Rev. Jim don' lak no cuss words in heah, he say dat...] Over a half century ago I was OPERATING on HF with not one, but 43 transmitters each 8 hour shift...plus the VHF, UHF, and microwave radio relay equipment associated with it. At no time in my career have I been required to know or to use morse code to legally transmit on HF. In order to transmit on HF in the U.S. ham bands I MUST test for that. Why? No other radio service requires anything of the kind. This newsgroup isn't moderated, doesn't have restricted access. No ham license (from either FCC or FDA) is required in here. It sounds fishy that you have a beef with someone in here and I'd say y'all just laid a aig. Until you close off this place to any but "your own kind," I be here when _I_ want to be here. You can bet your [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] on that, [expletive deleted] ! Have fun with all the rest of the mental seven-year-old extras. LHA / WMD |
Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra'
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/2/2004 4:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Robert Casey writes: Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. I know "rocket science" after working three years at Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter). I am sure that while cleaning the floors and emptying out thier ashtrays and coffee cups, you got to know a LOT of "rocket scientists"...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off.... I've also had four other [expletive deleted] radio licenses. The best [expletive deleted] radio licenses money could buy. But none of them an Amateur Radio license. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others
rag on each other endlessly.alt" and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to discuss amateur radio regulatory and policy issues ... I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly - to provide a place for the serious regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the sort of argue_about_off_topic_things fest that you guys have going on here ... OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] off ... Carl - wk3c "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra' From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/2/2004 4:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Robert Casey writes: Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. I know "rocket science" after working three years at Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter). I am sure that while cleaning the floors and emptying out thier ashtrays and coffee cups, you got to know a LOT of "rocket scientists"...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off.... I've also had four other [expletive deleted] radio licenses. The best [expletive deleted] radio licenses money could buy. But none of them an Amateur Radio license. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Well said, Carl.
73, Leo On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:48:34 -0000, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote: I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others rag on each other endlessly.alt" and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to discuss amateur radio regulatory and policy issues ... I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly - to provide a place for the serious regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the sort of argue_about_off_topic_things fest that you guys have going on here ... OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] off ... Carl - wk3c "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra' From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/2/2004 4:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Robert Casey writes: Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. I know "rocket science" after working three years at Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter). I am sure that while cleaning the floors and emptying out thier ashtrays and coffee cups, you got to know a LOT of "rocket scientists"...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off.... I've also had four other [expletive deleted] radio licenses. The best [expletive deleted] radio licenses money could buy. But none of them an Amateur Radio license. Putz. Steve, K4YZ |
Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Newsgroup BPL, Carl. If there is an upside to this sad state of affairs, it is pretty easy to see who all is posting the acrimony and avoid it. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Carl R. Stevenson wrote: I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with .... Newsgroup BPL, Carl. If there is an upside to this sad state of affairs, it is pretty easy to see who all is posting the acrimony and avoid it. - Mike KB3EIA - I much agree...which is why I have stopped the posting that I used to. I also agree with Carl's concerns and would "HOPE" that enough of us can just ignore the obvious dumb, stupid bickering about individuals and personalities and just try to stay on topic. Cheers to all who use common sense, logic and a few ounces of forthought before posting :-) Bill K2UNK |
Subject: Proposal to rename RRAP ... (was - New Candidate for 'Youngest
Extra') From: "Carl R. Stevenson" Date: 4/2/2004 7:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others rag on each other endlessly.alt" and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to discuss amateur radio regulatory and policy issues ... I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly - to provide a place for the serious regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the sort of argue_about_off_topic_things fest that you guys have going on here ... OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] off ... Carl - wk3c Thank-you for having expressed your God Given Opinon in accordance with your Constitutional Rights, Carl. Veterans, Take a bow. Carl made use of your sacrifices. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: Proposal to rename RRAP ... (was - New Candidate for
'Youngest Extra') From: "Bill Sohl" Date: 4/3/2004 8:31 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Carl R. Stevenson wrote: I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Newsgroup BPL, Carl. If there is an upside to this sad state of affairs, it is pretty easy to see who all is posting the acrimony and avoid it. - Mike KB3EIA - I much agree...which is why I have stopped the posting that I used to. I also agree with Carl's concerns and would "HOPE" that enough of us can just ignore the obvious dumb, stupid bickering about individuals and personalities and just try to stay on topic. Cheers to all who use common sense, logic and a few ounces of forthought before posting. Gentlemen, your comments are well spoken and have much merit. I wonder why, however, many of you selectively decide when to complain about the "noise". Myself and others have "sponsored" many-a-thread championing spectrum protection, VE testing integrity and other "on topic" (ie: policy subjects) only to have most of you presently commenting (with the exception of Mike Coslo) pulling the "topics" into the usual 'know code/no code' silliness and worn out rhetoric, often deteriorating into the "stupid bickering about individual and personalities" that you presently lament. I do believe it to be a bit of hypocracy, Gentlemen. We'll see. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article , (ugly
little mentally-seven-year-old very-amateur extra) writes: Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra' From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/2/2004 4:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Robert Casey writes: Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. I know "rocket science" after working three years at Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter). I am sure that while cleaning the floors and emptying out thier ashtrays and coffee cups, you got to know a LOT of "rocket scientists"...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off.... Tsk, tsk, tsk...ugly little comment from an ugly little person. Members of the Technical Staff III didn't do janitorial services at Rocketdyne. That was my work title and may be checked by inquiry of Personell Department, Rocketdyne Division of Boeing Aircraft [Boeing purchased the Rocketdyne Division from Rockwell International after I left them]. My group was Electronic Instrumentation and assisted many different project groups. My tasks were with the instrumentation and sensor interface for the Deformable Mirror program (part of the "Star Wars" work spread all over the country); instrumentation for Solar One, the 50 MWe solar experimental power generation plant built at Barstow, CA, (McDonnell-Douglas, Huntington Beach, CA was prime contractor on instrumentation, Rocketdyne supplied the solar boiler and underground heat storage - for darkness periods); experimental liquid oxygen flow measurement for the SSME or Space Shuttle Main Engine (cannot yet be safely directly measured by any conventional flowmeter). The Deformable Mirror program required actual deformation of the mirror surface by actuators altering the surface by nanometer distances accurately through an incorporated Bragg Cell dual interferometer as the initial surface sensor and a phase-frequency detector comparing the two interferometer outputs with a 16-bit minicomputer program calculating the required mirror surface information and actuators' necessary motion to achieve a desired deformation. Deformable mirrors are now used in many astro- nomical observatories for both focus and astigmatic correction of distortion due to the earth atmosphere variability. My specific contribution - besides being part of the team that organized the electronics and computer interface - was a variation of the common phase-frequency detector of PLLs optimized for linearity and elimination of the very narrow "dead zone" at zero-phase. The Bragg Cell outputs were at 39 and 40 MHz, the mixer (after squaring) was digital. That was in 1980. The contractee was the Department of Defense. Solar One was a "local" project sponsored by all the Greater Los Angeles electric power utilities. Rocketdyne's work with very high temperature alloys and cooling with rocket engine "bells" was a natural for the steam-generating boiler at the focus of hundreds of heliostats (moveable mirrors reflecting the sunlight to the single focus of the boiler). I got that assignment due to illness leave of another MTS and the ability to work with very-non-radio Piping and Instrumentation (in industrial applications) and the ubiquitous 4 to 20 mA wired sensor link systems and their subsequent interface to the MacDac control midicomputer (32-bit word length). That was in 1981. The SSME LOX flow sensor project attempted to solve a very old problem with conventional flow meters in that liquid oxygen wants to "eat" any parts directly in the flow. Several attempts were made to use ultrasonic waves directed at a slant through the main LOX piping, that in the enormous high-level broadband noise environment when the throttleable SSME is at working thrust (350,000 pounds thrust at 110% throttle). After many firings at the Santa Susanna Field Laboratories' test stand "Coca" that proved unsuccessful. The method was eventually ruled out due to internal LOX density disturbances that negated any sort of induced wavefront rate. At present, LOX flow rate is inferred from relative temperature (non- contact) sensors into a strap-on, very-high-shock/vibration-rated computer mounted on each SSME. That same computer is the link to/from the shuttle pilots and flight computer to control the SSMEs. The thrust chamber of each SSME is about the size of a small beach ball yet can provide about 175 tons of push. Fuel is liquid hydrogen, rather more chilly than terrestrial surface fuels. That was in 1982. There was no sexual involvement involved, only that of connector mating of male and female pins. To the best of my knowledge, no "hermaphroditic" contact pins were used in any connectors. I've also had four other [expletive deleted] radio licenses. The best [expletive deleted] radio licenses money could buy. All obtained from the FCC at the FCC's normal fee rate at the Chicago, IL, and Long Beach, CA, Field Offices. Only the PLMRS station EQUIPMENT cost any real money, later recouped on a dissolved partnership business auction. But none of them an Amateur Radio license. Absolutely true...including two of the licenses then required for Citizens Band in the 1960s. :-) Putz. Absolutely untrue, meshugge goyim. Shalom. I sing kaddish to the demise of your civility and sensibility. LHA / WMD |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Newsgroup BPL, Carl. If there is an upside to this sad state of affairs, it is pretty easy to see who all is posting the acrimony and avoid it. "Noise" can be much reduced by making and installing appropriate shielding structures. The key to happiness and nirvana would be a restricted-access newsgroup, moderated so that all got along happily ever after. That is the "shielding" which can be applied to keep out independent thought, outside interference, and find sanctuary for all worshipping the past of "the service" just like they had to do. Of course someone who has bad screen days in here should expend the effort to begin constructing such "shielding." Everyone talks about it but no one is doing anything about it. "Mankind invented language to satisfy his need to complain." - anon. LHA / WMD |
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes: I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others rag on each other endlessly.alt" and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to discuss amateur radio regulatory and policy issues ... Carl, I've made a suggestion repeatedly for at least six years in here that it should be shut off from public access with only "authorized access" and a moderator to attempt keeping the peace. That way everyone can be "among their own kind," happy and content, no evil independent thoughts intruding nirvana. I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... I agree. But, having practiced computer-modem communications for 17+ years, slightly longer than that via time-share systems on the old Arpanet, then Usenet, then BBSs, and finally the Internet after 1991, I'd say that human nature hasn't changed much. :-) "Mankind invented language to satisfy his need to complain..." - anon. For truly serious action on this, you should consult with Paul Schleck on a "restructuring" of this newsgroup to make it closed-access. Shut everyone out but your own kind. "Killfile" everyone that gives you a bad screen day. Peace. Tranquility. Happy QSOs. Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly - to provide a place for the serious regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the sort of argue_about_off_topic_things fest that you guys have going on here ... Tsk, tsk, tsk. Have you forgotten the immortal words of Jim Kehler and his beloved "No SSB International" movement? Forgotten that he loved to say (about Techs) "Gigahertz for gigasquirts?" :-) KH2D = Jim Kehler, formerly high chieftan of hamminess on Guam. Tell you what, Carl, let's see you hang in there with mild, civil manners as a model of comportment after another has threatened to abrogate your First Amendment rights in public, repeatedly called you "putz" (Yiddish for asshole), "scum" in various forms, "ignorant of everything in amateur radio," a "pathological liar," "dishonorable" towards the USA military after conjuring up obvious untruthful conditions...plus...various forms of personal insults including alleged homosexual acts, insulting my wife, my parents, my work experience, my education, educational institutions who provide college-credit courses away from normal hours. Of course you've weathered those contentious conditions of an equal nature with the highest possible conduct befitting an executive directorship. All the PCTA have done equally calm, reasoned, civil replies in here, haven't they? :-) OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] off ... Wouldn't think of it. Heavens, no civilized person uses [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] words in newsgroups...that's for the lower-class, inferior, non-amateur bourgoise, the riff-raff, the underbelly of society peasantry. Self-righteousness and sanctimonious behavior are the true rulers on an enlighted superior society. ------- Now back to the present-day amateur policy newsgroup where the main topics are immunization, diseases, past military experience, national policy, and - especially - much angst over long-past message exchanges which must be argued over and over and over and over and over again until the original non-winner considers they have "won." Please excuse my absence. I am preparing some Replies to Comments to my government on federal regulations. No doubt I will once again by rewarded by an Amateur Extra licensee demanding I be censored and censured for exercising my First Amendment Rights to my government. Censorship is wonderful, don't you wish everyone had it? LHA / WMD |
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In article , Mike Coslo writes: Carl R. Stevenson wrote: I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Newsgroup BPL, Carl. If there is an upside to this sad state of affairs, it is pretty easy to see who all is posting the acrimony and avoid it. "Noise" can be much reduced by making and installing appropriate shielding structures. I read each and every one of your posts that I see in this group. Wouldn't miss them. If Carl wants to avoid them, that is his business. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra'
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/3/2004 10:50 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (ugly little mentally-seven-year-old very-amateur extra) writes: Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra' From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/2/2004 4:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Robert Casey writes: Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. I know "rocket science" after working three years at Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter). I am sure that while cleaning the floors and emptying out thier ashtrays and coffee cups, you got to know a LOT of "rocket scientists"...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off.... Tsk, tsk, tsk...ugly little comment from an ugly little person. Members of the Technical Staff III didn't do janitorial services at Rocketdyne. That was my work title...(SNIP) That IS what all your pontificating, strutting and crowing is ALL about, Lennie... Titles... You belittle every licensed Radio Amateur for alledgedly being predisposed with "rank, title and priviledge", yet it's your own "rank, title and priviledge" that you want to talk about here. Hot flash, Lennie... All that spouting about Rocketdyne, your FCC first phone ticket, etc etc etc got you absolutely not ONE step closer to being a licensed Amateur. Not one. The Deformable Mirror program...(SNIP) ...has absolutely nothing to do with Amateur Radio, BPL, Morse Code testing, my service in the Marines or your lack of any practical experience in the Amateur Radio Service, although I am sure it helped you vent a lot of frustration and made you feel like a big man for reciting it yet again... And through ALL OF THAT, you're STILL a putz. Sheeeeesh. Steve, K4YZ |
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Proposal to rename RRAP ... (was - New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra') From: "Carl R. Stevenson" Date: 4/2/2004 7:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others rag on each other endlessly.alt" and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to discuss amateur radio regulatory and policy issues ... I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly - to provide a place for the serious regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the sort of argue_about_off_topic_things fest that you guys have going on here ... OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] off ... Carl - wk3c Thank-you for having expressed your God Given Opinon in accordance with your Constitutional Rights, Carl. Veterans, Take a bow. Carl made use of your sacrifices. 73 Steve, K4YZ Steve ... why the [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] do you have to play the "veterans" card? I have an honorable discharge, too ... Vietnam era, though I never left the states ... but I don't see a need to flaunt it ... why do you seem to play on your military service when you don't have a good excuse for bad behavior? Carl - wk3c |
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Proposal to rename RRAP ... (was - New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra') [snip] Gentlemen, your comments are well spoken and have much merit. I wonder why, however, many of you selectively decide when to complain about the "noise". Steve, The endless bickering and personal attacks that fundamentally have nothing to do with amateur radio policy and everything to do with personal grudges and vendettas have reached a level where they are almost totally dominating the newsgroup on many, if not most, days. I believe that a lot of good folks, like Ed Hare, for one ... aren't around any more because they got sick of wading through all of the extraneous crap .... our "community" here is worse off for the loss of such folks' contributions to the *real* discussions, and it's a shame ... Carl - wk3c |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
I hereby propose that we rename RRAP to "rec.Steve, Len, and a few others rag on each other endlessly.alt" and create a new newsgroup for those of us who really would like to discuss amateur radio regulatory and policy issues ... I'm getting REALLY tired of all of this endless, childish bickering that is OT and doesn't belong here ... most days, it's hard to find the stuff that this newsgroup is supposed to be for because of the volume of petty, personal bickering that you guys load the newsgroup up with ... Or, alternatively, you guys can go rag on each other in rec.radio.amateur.misc like it used to be (and why this group was created in the first place if memory serves me correctly - to provide a place for the serious regulatory/policy discussion after rec.radio.amateur.misc turned into the sort of argue_about_off_topic_things fest that you guys have going on here ... OK, there ... I've said my peace and now you can tell me to [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] off ... Carl - wk3c Carl, Steve needs professional help. bb |
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (ugly ...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off.... Tsk, tsk, tsk...ugly little comment from an ugly little person. Steve really does have a predeliction for homosexual suggestion. Wonder if he belongs to NAMBLA HAMS? |
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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
The endless bickering and personal attacks that fundamentally have nothing to do with amateur radio policy and everything to do with personal grudges and vendettas have reached a level where they are almost totally dominating the newsgroup on many, if not most, days. I believe that a lot of good folks, like Ed Hare, for one ... aren't around any more because they got sick of wading through all of the extraneous crap ... our "community" here is worse off for the loss of such folks' contributions to the *real* discussions, and it's a shame ... Carl - wk3c If you start ignoring lenny the lame, cber stevie the stupid, and wee willie winkie, things get better. |
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Carl R. Stevenson wrote: The endless bickering and personal attacks that fundamentally have nothing to do with amateur radio policy and everything to do with personal grudges and vendettas have reached a level where they are almost totally dominating the newsgroup on many, if not most, days. I believe that a lot of good folks, like Ed Hare, for one ... aren't around any more because they got sick of wading through all of the extraneous crap ... our "community" here is worse off for the loss of such folks' contributions to the *real* discussions, and it's a shame ... Carl - wk3c If you start ignoring lenny the lame, cber stevie the stupid, and wee willie winkie, things get better. Don't forget no-call JJ, he goes by kid dyno-mite on his cb. |
In article , Leo
writes: On 03 Apr 2004 19:28:24 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote: In article , "Carl R. Stevenson" writes: snip Please excuse my absence. I am preparing some Replies to Comments to my government on federal regulations. Which is a very commendable and proactive thing to do - and is, as you know, the only effective method of advising the regulatory folks of valid objections to their proposed new rules and policies. The more cogent objections that they receive, the better. I've sent about 76 or so Comments to our FCC. Haven't made an accurate tally lately but anyone can do it on the FCC ECFS using just my legal signature name. Thank you, Len, for taking the time to do so. Your effort is appreciated. Not everyone "appreciates" it. My first Comment was on FCC 98-143, the NPRM for Amateur Radio Restructuring. I was quite busy with other things during 1998-1997 Holiday time but got 14 text pages into the Commission a few days before the official close of commentary (all paper, multiple copies, a diskette, sent Express Mail registered). 12 days after my Comment appeared on the ECFS, the gunnery nurse sent a "comment" which said absolutely nothing about the contents of my text, just that "I had no business getting involved in amateur radio matters because I had no license!" [See proceedings 98-143 for 25 January 1999...still there] Trying to cancel another citizen's basic First Amendment Right is not to be taken lightly down in this country. There ARE self- righteous SOBs here who think nothing of tramping all over others' rights. [SOB = Son Of Beeper in case Rev. Jim is listening in...] Up to 3 years after that, a few in here wanted to ARGUE that same Comment text content, extract several pounds of flesh, etc., all at various times, just to make themselves feel good, self-righteous, etc., etc. Necro-equine flaggelation. But, that's all in the normal course of events. I've been doing computer-modem communications for nearly 20 years and have become rather thick skinned to all the yahoos who feel "safe" cussing out other folks they don't like. :-) ["razzbonyas" = yahoos in some parts of Wisconsin, Minnesota] I'm sure that you agree that those who do not see themselves as being part of the solution are usually part of the problem..... Actually, I don't. I see that some folks are just problems and the subject matter is irrelevant as long as they have a Cuss Venue. A few will actually take the time to discuss a subject civilly, but that has always been rare. No doubt I will once again by rewarded by an Amateur Extra licensee demanding I be censored and censured for exercising my First Amendment Rights to my government. Of course - more than one, most likely. And that syndrome is. I think, what annoyed Carl enough to prompt this posting (and he certainly ain't alone there...). For example, you post something, then several others jump on you to 'prove you wrong', then others jump on them to 'prove them wrong', etc. Newsgroup warriors (MinutiaeMen?) all, fighting a never-ending battle for something or other.....but the real issues, those which threaten the amateur radio hobby, will not be decided in this forum. Or in that manner. Heh heh heh..."MinutaeMen!" Apt. Bang-on as those in the UK say. Decisions in here? Nil. But, checking the mail in here gives more rounding to what two sides on an issue feel. Once in a rare while there's a link to another site for information that may be useful. "Link" other than the "go to ARRL website...worth a good read" kind of imperative. :-) Most of the heated battles that go on in any computer-modem venue (regardless of subject) are almost entirely for attempts to Get The Last Word Superiority Over Others...or to develop some sort of Guru Image to Impress Others, get a "rep" or similar, especially in a techie type of venue. Some of it is hilarious. :-) It's been that way ever since Usenet got started decades ago, got into BBS nets, and now infects all the newsgroups sooner or later. There be a whole lot of murderous resentment by many at being Talked Back To...their self-righteousness knows no bounds! My good buddy Patty once wrote a general remark when we co-moderated a BBS public board, "Sometimes the loudest sound you hear is your own mind screaming in the empty, silent room." That's poetic and to the point for much of it. But, having said that, now watch someone try to butt in, making noises about intimations of misconduct with a "lady friend" even though we were good friends of opposite gender. Some live to throw dirt even if they are in a vast ocean. :-) It would be good to see some of that energy channeled into positive and proactive channels - such as replying to the FCC on issues which threaten the hobby. Which you, and a few others, have done and continue to do. I totally agree. But, that takes actual WORK! It's so much easier to sit back and toss [expletive deleteds] in a newsgroup, pull others' chains, and snicker in the safety of time and space isolation of network interchange delays. Some demand both invisibility in identity and respect for something they can't prove or reference. Marvelous. A fine catharsis for the timid. Others, unfortunately, don't see it that way. In my opinion, it's similar to the election process - if some guy didn't take the time to go out and vote, who cares when he complains that the wrong guy won....TS, I say. Good point. But the complaining MUST go on...imperative...that's "only human." :-) In two decades of modeming, I've worn out several TS Card punches, busy at clicking away at sooooo many cards! :-) Censorship is wonderful, don't you wish everyone had it? Not censorship - perhaps initiative? Good choice. But, I was remarking in a much different semantic direction. :-) LHA / WMD |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: I read each and every one of your posts that I see in this group. Wouldn't miss them. Does the phrase "nobody's perfect" apply to you, Mike? :-) LHA / WMD |
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra' From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/3/2004 10:50 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (ugly little mentally-seven-year-old very-amateur extra) writes: Subject: New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra' From: (Len Over 21) Date: 4/2/2004 4:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Robert Casey writes: Just get the damn license Len, it aint rocket science. I know "rocket science" after working three years at Rocketdyne Division of Rockwell International, the makers of the Space Shuttle Main Engine and the F1 main-stage engines of the Saturn Rocket (Apollo Program lifter). I am sure that while cleaning the floors and emptying out thier ashtrays and coffee cups, you got to know a LOT of "rocket scientists"...Probably even picked up enough "lingo" to impress some "young thing" at a bar long enough to get his pants off.... Tsk, tsk, tsk...ugly little comment from an ugly little person. Members of the Technical Staff III didn't do janitorial services at Rocketdyne. That was my work title...(SNIP) That IS what all your pontificating, strutting and crowing is ALL about, Lennie... Now now...you were implying I was into homosexual activity while working at Rocketdyne AND that I was a janitor. I did neither and merely did a synopsis of slightly more than 3 years of real employment in an engineering group. Note the years I included. A decade before the Internet went public..a few years before the BBSs got into expansion. Titles... You belittle every licensed Radio Amateur for alledgedly being predisposed with "rank, title and priviledge", yet it's your own "rank, title and priviledge" that you want to talk about here. I'm not interested in talking about myself. I was answering your ugly little charge of homosexual activity while doing janitor work at Rocketdyne. Feel free to contact Jim Hall, KD6JG. Jim was a Staff Engineer at Rocketdyne and didn't retire from there until Boeing bought the place from Rockwell International. Jim has been in amateur radio as well as professional radio since before 1956. He will tell you that I was an MTS at Rocketdyne...we worked in the same department. Jim was also my immediate manager at RCA Corporation for 5 years in the Postion Location Engineering group. Feel free to contact Al Walston, W6MJN. Al and I shared an office cubicle at RCA. Al was also Best Man at my wedding, a wedding which was NOT "same sex." Hot flash, Lennie... All that spouting about Rocketdyne, your FCC first phone ticket, etc etc etc got you absolutely not ONE step closer to being a licensed Amateur. I'm not interested in getting my very own amateur radio license. I'm trying to talk about real POLICY issues, concentrating on the elimination of the morse code test for any license examination. All you want to do is make insults on others, charge them with homosexual conduct, and say they've never done anything but menial work. That's sickness on your part. Not one. The Deformable Mirror program...(SNIP) ...has absolutely nothing to do with Amateur Radio, BPL, Morse Code testing, my service in the Marines or your lack of any practical experience in the Amateur Radio Service, although I am sure it helped you vent a lot of frustration and made you feel like a big man for reciting it yet again... It doesn't "feel good" for me to sit here and refute a lot of LIES you generate about my person. Just the same, you feel you have a need to LIE about others, to insult them every time you get the slightest negative response to your postings. Charging that I engaged in homosexual conduct while working as a janitor at Rocketdyne is a double LIE. Saying I engaged in homosexual activity at any time would be a LIE. Saying I worked as a janitor at any place of employment is a LIE. Saying my wife was a "correspondence school" graduate is a LIE. My wife as Two Masters Degrees, both of which were granted after taking formal classes at the University of Illinois. Prior to that she got a BA from four years at a small college in Beloit, Wisconsin, attending formal classes all four years. Saying insults against my person as if they were factual is a LIE. In general, you fabricate more LIES about others than you say facts. When you say you've done things, you don't give enough details to prove anything to anyone...which is a form of LYING. And through ALL OF THAT, you're STILL a putz. Sheeeeesh. You have enough demonstrated symptoms of mental illness from all the public displays of inability to interface with other humans. You should seek mental therapy to alleviate that. Do so. Shalom, meshugge goyim. LHA / WMD |
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Proposal to rename RRAP ... (was - New Candidate for 'Youngest Extra') From: "Carl R. Stevenson" Date: 4/2/2004 7:48 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Thank-you for having expressed your God Given Opinon in accordance with your Constitutional Rights, Carl. Veterans, Take a bow. Carl made use of your sacrifices. Steve ... why the [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] do you have to play the "veterans" card? I have an honorable discharge, too ... Vietnam era, though I never left the states ... but I don't see a need to flaunt it ... why do you seem to play on your military service when you don't have a good excuse for bad behavior? Carl, why do YOU seem to have a problem with me giving a nod to veterans for having been able to provide you YOUR right to post your uncensored opinion? Are you now insinuating that the sacrifices made by veterans in defense of your freedom to do so was wrong? Congrats on the Veteran status. After you're done brow-beating me for having made an affirmative comment to Vets, reach around and give yourself a pat on the back from me...You deserve it. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
In article . net, "Bill Sohl"
writes: Newsgroup BPL, Carl. If there is an upside to this sad state of affairs, it is pretty easy to see who all is posting the acrimony and avoid it. - Mike KB3EIA - I much agree...which is why I have stopped the posting that I used to. I also agree with Carl's concerns and would "HOPE" that enough of us can just ignore the obvious dumb, stupid bickering about individuals and personalities and just try to stay on topic. Agreed, Bill. I find myself deleting most posts here, adn ignoring certain regular posters because no matter how civilly they are approached, they inevitably resort to name calling, false information and insults. But what do we do about those who post information that is simply not true? Cheers to all who use common sense, logic and a few ounces of forthought before posting :-) 73 de Jim, N2EY |
In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes: The endless bickering and personal attacks that fundamentally have nothing to do with amateur radio policy and everything to do with personal grudges and vendettas have reached a level where they are almost totally dominating the newsgroup on many, if not most, days. I believe that a lot of good folks, like Ed Hare, for one ... aren't around any more because they got sick of wading through all of the extraneous crap ... our "community" here is worse off for the loss of such folks' contributions to the *real* discussions, and it's a shame ... I agree 100%, Carl. So what should folks like you and I do about it? In particular, when someone posts information that is flat out wrong, should we simply ignore it or challenge it? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote in message
... In article , "Carl R. Stevenson" writes: The endless bickering and personal attacks that fundamentally have nothing to do with amateur radio policy and everything to do with personal grudges and vendettas have reached a level where they are almost totally dominating the newsgroup on many, if not most, days. I believe that a lot of good folks, like Ed Hare, for one ... aren't around any more because they got sick of wading through all of the extraneous crap ... our "community" here is worse off for the loss of such folks' contributions to the *real* discussions, and it's a shame ... I agree 100%, Carl. So what should folks like you and I do about it? Jim, I hate to "kill-file" folks - they *might* just say something relevant at some point, but I'm considering it for a few individuals whose posts are mostly personal vendetta-like attacks and insults ... In particular, when someone posts information that is flat out wrong, should we simply ignore it or challenge it? If we see it and know it to be wrong, I think we should challenge it. However, it is not my job (nor, I suspect yours) to wade through all of their drivel in search of a relevant, incorrect assertion so that it might be challenged. I tend to think that most people will give little credence to whatever some of these folks say, just on the basis of the tone and content of most of their messages. I am just finding it annoying to have the newsgroup polluted with so much OT stuff - newsgroup BPL, I think Mike called it. 73, Carl - wk3c 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message om... "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Thank-you for having expressed your God Given Opinon in accordance with your Constitutional Rights, Carl. Veterans, Take a bow. Carl made use of your sacrifices. Steve ... why the [expletive deleted for Jim's benefit] do you have to play the "veterans" card? I have an honorable discharge, too ... Vietnam era, though I never left the states ... but I don't see a need to flaunt it ... why do you seem to play on your military service when you don't have a good excuse for bad behavior? Carl, why do YOU seem to have a problem with me giving a nod to veterans for having been able to provide you YOUR right to post your uncensored opinion? Because your "nod to veterans" was just an obviously insincere, self-serving "shot" at me, and not a genuine "hats off" to those who made sacrifices. Are you now insinuating that the sacrifices made by veterans in defense of your freedom to do so was wrong? You have a perverse way of trying to twist things to your own purpose Steve .... Congrats on the Veteran status. After you're done brow-beating me for having made an affirmative comment to Vets, reach around and give yourself a pat on the back from me...You deserve it. Had your "affirmative comments to Vets" been sincere and legitimate, rather than a self-serving attempt at a cheap shot, I wouldn't have said anything. But, I resent *your* constantly trying to suck some personal debating advantage (not that you get it) or "holier than thoubrownie points" out of your service ... why do you think Len refers to you as "the gunnery nurse?" (Hint - it's to emphasize the way you make a fool out of yourself by trying to "play the vet card.") OK ... now you can call *me* a putz ... and you're at the top of the potential kill-file list - but I wish you'd give EVERYONE a break for the benefit of the newsgroup. Carl - wk3c |
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