(Brian Kelly) wrote in message . com...

For a great bio of a *real* OF go to QRZ.com and punch in W3EAN. I got
my first taste of ham radio during a '40s civil defense drill when I
was assigned to him as his Cub Scout message runner while he was
mobiling.

w3rv

That's a tall order for a Cub Scout. I hope the speed limits were a
lot lower in the 40's.

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

For a great bio of a *real* OF go to QRZ.com and punch in W3EAN. I got
my first taste of ham radio during a '40s civil defense drill when I
was assigned to him as his Cub Scout message runner while he was
mobiling.

Oyez, quite a chap, that one! Next to him we're all babies...

73 de Jim, N2EY

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:39:41 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

Leo wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:57:45 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

Leo wrote:

snip

A question - was a similar arrangement for the recognition of
professional credentials in the Amateur service ever in place in the
US? With the reciprocity agreement between Canada and the US, someone
who has obtained their Amateur licence based on their Professional
qualifications automatically gains full Amateur operating privileges
when travelling in the US. One would think it logical for this
arrangement to be bidirectional, n'est pas?

There is no such mechanism available in the United States. A U.S.
citizen licensed in Canada may not use his Canadian license when
operating from the U.S.

That's not quite what I said, Dave. If a Canadian with a Commercial
licence obtains an Amateur licence vis this program, that Amateur
licence is covered under the existing reciprocity agreement - it is a
standard Amateur licence.

A Canadian with a valid Canadian amateur radio license may use the
license in the U.S. under reciprocal agreement, no matter if he receives
it by passing the exam or receives it by virtue of his professional
standing.
The only means by which someone may obtain a U.S. amateur license is by
passing the exam.

Your point is interesting, however - one need only be a resident of
Canada to qualify for an amateur license - not a citizen. If a US
citizen living in Canada obtains a Canadian amateur license, how would
that be illegal to use in the US?

...because that individual then falls under U.S., not Canadian law.

I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement
refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the
country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US
license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur.

Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite
reciprocal?


Dave K8MN

73, Leo

Leo wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:39:41 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

Leo wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 18:57:45 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

Leo wrote:

snip

A question - was a similar arrangement for the recognition of
professional credentials in the Amateur service ever in place in the
US? With the reciprocity agreement between Canada and the US, someone
who has obtained their Amateur licence based on their Professional
qualifications automatically gains full Amateur operating privileges
when travelling in the US. One would think it logical for this
arrangement to be bidirectional, n'est pas?

There is no such mechanism available in the United States. A U.S.
citizen licensed in Canada may not use his Canadian license when
operating from the U.S.

That's not quite what I said, Dave. If a Canadian with a Commercial
licence obtains an Amateur licence vis this program, that Amateur
licence is covered under the existing reciprocity agreement - it is a
standard Amateur licence.

A Canadian with a valid Canadian amateur radio license may use the
license in the U.S. under reciprocal agreement, no matter if he receives
it by passing the exam or receives it by virtue of his professional
standing.
The only means by which someone may obtain a U.S. amateur license is by
passing the exam.

Your point is interesting, however - one need only be a resident of
Canada to qualify for an amateur license - not a citizen. If a US
citizen living in Canada obtains a Canadian amateur license, how would
that be illegal to use in the US?

...because that individual then falls under U.S., not Canadian law.

I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement
refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the
country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US
license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur.

Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite
reciprocal?

That's an easy one: Canada's radio amateurs may operate in the United
States without passing a U.S. license exam. U.S. radio amateurs may
operate in Canada without passing a Canadian license exam.

During my second assignment to Helsinki (three years), the Finns wanted
me to pass a Finnish exam and use an OH2--- callsign because it was
their belief that reciprocal operation was intended only for short
duration.
They kindly backed off when I pointed out that no such thing was
outlined in their regs. I was OH2/K8MN for that entire period. ITU
recommendations changed between my first tour in Finland and my second.
For the first, I was K8MN/OH2. One eastern european amateur began
giving me hell over the air in the 1980's for not using "OH2/K8MN" after
those recommendations came out. I told him that I couldn't very well
use a call other than the one issued on my Finnish license.

Dave K8MN

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:40 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

Leo wrote:

snip

I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement
refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the
country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US
license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur.

Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite
reciprocal?

That's an easy one: Canada's radio amateurs may operate in the United
States without passing a U.S. license exam. U.S. radio amateurs may
operate in Canada without passing a Canadian license exam.

That part makes sense - it's the citizenship wording with respect to
the license holder on one side of the agreement which doesn't exist on
the other side that puzzles me.


During my second assignment to Helsinki (three years), the Finns wanted
me to pass a Finnish exam and use an OH2--- callsign because it was
their belief that reciprocal operation was intended only for short
duration.
They kindly backed off when I pointed out that no such thing was
outlined in their regs. I was OH2/K8MN for that entire period. ITU
recommendations changed between my first tour in Finland and my second.
For the first, I was K8MN/OH2. One eastern european amateur began
giving me hell over the air in the 1980's for not using "OH2/K8MN" after
those recommendations came out. I told him that I couldn't very well
use a call other than the one issued on my Finnish license.

Now that would have been an interesting place to work Europe from.
You were lucky to have had that opportunity, Dave - I wouldn't mind
trying that!


Dave K8MN

73, Leo

Leo wrote in news:l4sc20paffg83im2fdbg3qctrgitffnaj7@
4ax.com:

On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:57:40 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

Leo wrote:

snip

I think you're right, Dave - the text of the US reciprocal agreement
refers to the country of citizenship of the foreign amateur, not the
country of residence. Our reciprocal agreement simply requires a US
license, and makes no mention of the citizenship of the amateur.

Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite
reciprocal?

That's an easy one: Canada's radio amateurs may operate in the United
States without passing a U.S. license exam. U.S. radio amateurs may
operate in Canada without passing a Canadian license exam.

That part makes sense - it's the citizenship wording with respect to
the license holder on one side of the agreement which doesn't exist on
the other side that puzzles me.


During my second assignment to Helsinki (three years), the Finns wanted
me to pass a Finnish exam and use an OH2--- callsign because it was
their belief that reciprocal operation was intended only for short
duration. They kindly backed off when I pointed out that no such thing
was outlined in their regs. I was OH2/K8MN for that entire period. ITU
recommendations changed between my first tour in Finland and my second.
For the first, I was K8MN/OH2. One eastern european amateur began
giving me hell over the air in the 1980's for not using "OH2/K8MN" after
those recommendations came out. I told him that I couldn't very well
use a call other than the one issued on my Finnish license.

Now that would have been an interesting place to work Europe from.
You were lucky to have had that opportunity, Dave - I wouldn't mind
trying that!


Dave K8MN

73, Leo


Have the Canadian rules changed? The last time I read it you had to be both
a US citizen and a US resident to qualify. I'm not an American (or a
Canadian either) so I couldn't operate in Canada using my US call.

The rules I read were certainly not reciprocal, though. An American with a
US call and residing in the US could operate in Canada for only 2 months
within the terms of the nearest Canadian licence (No WARC bands or 40m for
Generals!), whereas a Canadian with a Canadian call could operate
indefinitely in the US, even living here permanently, under the terms of
their Canadian licence (not to exceed Extra).

In article , Leo
writes:

Wonder why it's called a reciprocal agreement when it isn't quite
reciprocal?

Perhaps because so many America-firsters want to be "one
over everyone else?" :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Leo
writes:

Interesting place, this newsgroup. Kraft-Ebbing could have had a
second edition to cover it for the psychiatric professionals. Some get
oriongasms even... :-)

I suspect that Masters and Johnson would have found inspiration here
too......

"Psychopathia Sexualis" by Kraft-Ebbing is still my first choice.

One Extra in here has continually fantasized an improbable life off-
keyboard for years, details varying implausibly as he continues.
Another has oriongasms thinking that no one could possibly under-
stand his expensive radio wondertoy. Another one just writes and
writes and writes every day, every day, every day, on everything
anyone posts, endlessly. Another one has a maternal fixation on
all the "little children" and becomes horrified, hiding head in sand
when confronted with reality outside of league boundaries. Another
one dreams of going back to the Pacific and shooting bears. Still
another went off the deep end long ago in the amateur murine core.
All the American licensed hams hum fascination over a single bared
breast on television, expressing puritan outrage over moral indecency
affecting their fellow seven-year-old Extras.

Morse code does indeed get through when everything else does!

It's a Deep-End City in here. Most fascinating. They don't realize
they are doing what they do when they do it.

This is much better than a post-graduate course in psychology! :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

What does that say about your vaunted federal merit badge?

It says that a mere child is one up on you. She has the badge. You
don't.

I'm not a SEVEN YEAR OLD Extra.

If you think that a SEVEN YEAR OLD has anything "up" on me,
I'd say you have the mentality of a seven year old.

Now go out to the sandbox and play with your "fellow Extras" in
the First Grade. That's a nice boy. Behave or Mama Dee will
spank you for being naughty.

LHA / WMD

Oh, but I'm very much a part of U.S. amateur radio and I've been part of
amateur radio in five other countries. You aren't part of amateur radio
anywhere on the planet. You aren't a part of the ARRL. Your
connections to amateur radio are simply that you've commented to the FCC
about the service in which you do not participate and that you post
here.

Oh, my, another tyrant ranting away.

The FCC is "not a part of amateur radio," merely the regulation of
every civil radio service in the United States.

The First Amendment gives me a number of rights. Exclusion from
discussing those with anyone or my government is NOT under your
control. Not at any time, herr tyrant.

There are mechanisms in the U.S. Constitution for removing the
rights of citizens. Those are called "amendments." Do you think
you could ever, with or without force, make such an amenedment?

Why do you keep trying to be a tyrant?

Is that due to some mental illness? If so, get help fast.

Now be a good boy and go our and play in the radio sandbox with
your other "fellow hams." I hear the seven-year-old extra is nice.

Sieg heil...gruss gott.

LHA / WMD