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February 24th 04, 10:01 AM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
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In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message

Miniature is for poodles.

Yeah, like Audrey Hepburn.

How'd you know she was one of my favorites?

Your bio is in the members-only Bowling Team Captains website, they
know EVERYTHING about yew boy.

Not quite everyhting, but close enough.

How many FD QSOs you make so far with the little stuff? The Type 7 did
629 one year....

How many did it make last year?

About 300 in SS, in a half-hearted effort.

SOP for SS . .

Yup. This little puppy knows better than to run with the big dogs.

My Type 75A4/T4XB did 1,000-1,200 several times in the CQ WW CW.

Sure - with ten times the power

Lemmee know when you run into an SB-200 which does any such thing.
Maybe 450 watts out on a dry cold day. Max.

KW in and 450 W out...sigh...

and big antennas, in a contest twice as long as
SS or FD.
With all the comforts of home and a spotting net......

In a contest which is an order of magnitude tougher than SS never mind
silly FD. Radio picnic.

Maybe when *you* do it...

DX isn't my bag. Domestic contests are. One of the Barracuda Rules is that
you don't try to beat the other guy at his game, you get him to play your
game.

Pretty lame excuse for an excuse Micollis.

I got it from you. You made how many QSOs last FD?

How many you put in the log for 'RS?

None on my own. Turned out that more ops showed up than expected, five
plus me which rendered me surplus labor. They all know the logger
inside out which I don't know so I got attached to the primary run
station as it's second set of ears. On 20 & 40 with the legendary
W8FJ, incredible op that he is. 200/Hr rates no sweat. Name of my game
was to dredge callsigns up out of the muck when he didn't. Worked but
he didn't miss many. OhYeah, I got the dust knocked off my skills BIG
time! Which is the bottom-line reason I tripped to Glenmoore to burrow
in with this bunch. Mission accomplished. In spades.

I thought so!

Two-station HP category, 6,000+ q's, 11.3 meg, missed a one-weekend
5BDXCC by one lousy mult on 80. Howzatt for a shot at a "Clean Sweep"
eh?

Nice!

The big Q bands were 40 and 15. Well over 100 mults on 10M sunspot
counts be damned.

Tells ya sumthin. But the Final Authority wannabes tell us nobody uses Morse
anymore...

Went on after the 'test, Sig fired up on 3.830 immediately after the
closing bell to find out who beat who while we gnawed on steak
sammiches Mrs. Sig supplied. The Big Guns from all the clubs were on
freq, looney operation, guys jumped in with CW instead of SSB . . .
helluva lot of fun, all of it.

Dogpile!

I understand, now that you've 'splained it to me. We could use a
four-foot rack, turned on its side. That's going to be one expensive
stainless panel.

Fits in a two-footer vertically with room to spare.....

There ya go Dave, the four foot rack will work.

Twice over.

Until ya add the "transverters" for 160, 60, 30, 17, 15, 12 and 10M
which the thing cannot get on now.

Don't need mosta those bands anyway.

Then comes the "modulator" and the
serial port which it doesn't have either

Don't need those either.

. . Yeah, Dave. We'll need
plenty of cubic feet for this abomination.

And by the way Dave the dial in the thing is the rim of a plastic soup
bowl. Absolute truth, so help me.

Absolute lie. The Type 4 had a cereal bowl dial - but it was built more than 30
years ago. It was taken apart some time ago and its parts recycled.

The Type 7 uses a cap from a junked BC-221. The Type 6 and 5 used caps
from ARC-5 transmitters.

Dayum, another N2EY stroke of genius.

You betcha, cost me maybe $5 for the whole VFO assembly. Including spares.

Ya obviously got screwed.

Better'n some lame 5 to 1 slippy balldrive thing. Swords into plowshares,
anyway.

And here all us no-clues been
using these synthesizer thingeys, tsk, tsk, shame on us.

You had a synthesizer in 1972?

Hell no, but you still have a 1920s style "VFO" and the rest of us do
not.

Simple yet effective. Did someone say "phase noise"?

Anybody who doesn't know what knobs are for is a sick pup.

Exactly. I have each one's functions memorized. Plus they are ergonomically
designed.

Whoosh: Right over yer head.

Not at all. Each knob has a definite function, and despite the obvious
similarities each requires different treatment. A lesson which also applies to
radio.

No fatigue after hours of use.

I doubt that!

I'm still young.

Got rid of all my Johnson gear, though (sniff). Adventurer, Viking 2
with 122, Valiant.

Good riddance, they're probably doing splendidly on 27 Mhz by now.

Not at all. The Adventurer doesn't work 'phone, the Vikings (I had 2) went
to a ham pal, and the Valiant went to an AMer.

Yeah, yeah. I sold my Valiant to a ham and he went home and
immediately ran it into his 4 el. 11M quad.

That was a bit longer ago than I sold mine.

The one Viking 2 was used to make my one-and-only 160 QSO. But that's
another story....

Good, enough awready . .

Like it ever stopped *you*...

73 de Jim, N2EY

February 24th 04, 07:16 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

In a contest which is an order of magnitude tougher than SS never mind
silly FD. Radio picnic.

Maybe when *you* do it...

Go ahead, keep pushing yer luck . .

DX isn't my bag. Domestic contests are. One of the Barracuda Rules is that
you don't try to beat the other guy at his game, you get him to play your
game.

Pretty lame excuse for an excuse Micollis.

I got it from you. You made how many QSOs last FD?

I had equipment FUBARS, I did not wimp out because I was afraid to
take on "your game".

The big Q bands were 40 and 15. Well over 100 mults on 10M sunspot
counts be damned.

Tells ya sumthin. But the Final Authority wannabes tell us nobody uses Morse
anymore...

Pfft . . ! Lotta BS, the reality is obvious.

Until ya add the "transverters" for 160, 60, 30, 17, 15, 12 and 10M
which the thing cannot get on now.

Don't need mosta those bands anyway.

Then comes the "modulator" and the
serial port which it doesn't have either

Don't need those either.

Take that line of rationalizations out to it's obvious limit and ya
don't "need" a ham license either.

And by the way Dave the dial in the thing is the rim of a plastic soup
bowl. Absolute truth, so help me.

Absolute lie. The Type 4 had a cereal bowl dial - but it was built more than 30
years ago. It was taken apart some time ago and its parts recycled.

Abject apologies, I got yer abominations mixed up. Where did you get
the digital display for the S8?

You betcha, cost me maybe $5 for the whole VFO assembly. Including spares.

Ya obviously got screwed.

Better'n some lame 5 to 1 slippy balldrive thing. Swords into plowshares,
anyway.

Ever hear the terms "shaft encoder" or "PTO"?

Hell no, but you still have a 1920s style "VFO" and the rest of us do
not.

Simple yet effective. Did someone say "phase noise"?

Glad you brought that up. One of my objectives over the weekend was to
sniff out a whole list of ponderments I had on these sorts of topics.
Phase noise: Close to the end of the 'test on 40M the amp T/R relay
hung a couple times and I got to listen to the MP sans antenna. If the
weak hiss was in fact phase noise it was probably 20 dB. down from the
base QRN noise level in the band. Lesson: Given a decent radio phase
noise is never going to be the limiting factor in weak signal
reception anywhere around where thee or me live so fugeddit, yer VFO
is not a "solution" for some "phase noise problem".

Other pins they stuck in sacred balloons:

They don't use QSK, PTT works just fine.
The AGC is always ON.

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

February 25th 04, 12:06 AM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

In a contest which is an order of magnitude tougher than SS never mind
silly FD. Radio picnic.

Maybe when *you* do it...

Go ahead, keep pushing yer luck . .

Whata re ya gonna do - call me names?

DX isn't my bag. Domestic contests are. One of the Barracuda Rules is
that
you don't try to beat the other guy at his game, you get him to play
your game.

Pretty lame excuse for an excuse Micollis.

I got it from you. You made how many QSOs last FD?

I had equipment FUBARS, I did not wimp out because I was afraid to
take on "your game".

Equipment trouble is par for the course on FD. Part of the game, like bad
weather and insects.

The big Q bands were 40 and 15. Well over 100 mults on 10M sunspot
counts be damned.

Tells ya sumthin. But the Final Authority wannabes tell us nobody uses
Morse anymore...

Pfft . . ! Lotta BS, the reality is obvious.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

While we're at it, check out my "WAR!" post in another thread...

Until ya add the "transverters" for 160, 60, 30, 17, 15, 12 and 10M
which the thing cannot get on now.

Don't need mosta those bands anyway.

Then comes the "modulator" and the
serial port which it doesn't have either

Don't need those either.

Take that line of rationalizations out to it's obvious limit and ya
don't "need" a ham license either.

Sure ya do. The line is drawn when you get on the air.

And by the way Dave the dial in the thing is the rim of a plastic soup
bowl. Absolute truth, so help me.

Absolute lie. The Type 4 had a cereal bowl dial - but it was built more
than 30 years ago. It was taken apart some time ago and its parts recycled.

The Type 4 can be seen on the HBR website.

Abject apologies, I got yer abominations mixed up. Where did you get
the digital display for the S8?

Built me a digital dial back in 1975 from TTL. Work with almost any HF ham rx,
regardless of heterodyne scheme or VFO range. Worked with the Type 4 one day
and an S line the next.

This was *before* there were designs for similar units on the market or in the
big ham magazines. I still have it somewhere.

Found out after all that work that I preferred analog dials.

You betcha, cost me maybe $5 for the whole VFO assembly. Including
spares.

Ya obviously got screwed.

Better'n some lame 5 to 1 slippy balldrive thing. Swords into plowshares,
anyway.

Ever hear the terms "shaft encoder" or "PTO"?

Sure. But the only advantage of those things is linearity.

Hell no, but you still have a 1920s style "VFO" and the rest of us do
not.

Simple yet effective. Did someone say "phase noise"?

Glad you brought that up. One of my objectives over the weekend was to
sniff out a whole list of ponderments I had on these sorts of topics.
Phase noise: Close to the end of the 'test on 40M the amp T/R relay
hung a couple times and I got to listen to the MP sans antenna. If the
weak hiss was in fact phase noise it was probably 20 dB. down from the
base QRN noise level in the band. Lesson: Given a decent radio phase
noise is never going to be the limiting factor in weak signal
reception anywhere around where thee or me live so fugeddit, yer VFO
is not a "solution" for some "phase noise problem".

No, that's not phase noise. You don't hear phase noise directly that way.

Other pins they stuck in sacred balloons:

They don't use QSK, PTT works just fine.
The AGC is always ON.

All you did was blow up some different sacred balloons.

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

February 25th 04, 07:31 PM

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

In a contest which is an order of magnitude tougher than SS never
mind
silly FD. Radio picnic.

Maybe when *you* do it...

Go ahead, keep pushing yer luck . .

Whata re ya gonna do - call me names?

Nah, I have a much more appropriate plan in mind . .

I had equipment FUBARS, I did not wimp out because I was afraid to
take on "your game".

Equipment trouble is par for the course on FD. Part of the game, like bad
weather and insects.

Uh . . yeah . . been there too . . point please?

Take that line of rationalizations out to it's obvious limit and ya
don't "need" a ham license either.

Sure ya do. The line is drawn when you get on the air.

No, we're talking about "repackaging" yer poor lame Southgate 8
contraption into an xcvr which would sell in 2004. Does not require a
ham license to do that but does require more than just three lousy
bands out of ten and more than only one hundred year old mode.

Built me a digital dial back in 1975 from TTL. Work with almost any HF ham rx,
regardless of heterodyne scheme or VFO range. Worked with the Type 4 one day
and an S line the next.

This was *before* there were designs for similar units on the market or in the
big ham magazines. I still have it somewhere.

Found out after all that work that I preferred analog dials.

Ya hung an S20 Sky Champion german silver dial on yer K2 did ya?

Better'n some lame 5 to 1 slippy balldrive thing. Swords into plowshares,
anyway.

Ever hear the terms "shaft encoder" or "PTO"?

Sure. But the only advantage of those things is linearity.

Bwaaahaha! As if!

reception anywhere around where thee or me live so fugeddit, yer VFO
is not a "solution" for some "phase noise problem".

No, that's not phase noise. You don't hear phase noise directly that way.

If phase noise doesn't manifest itself as crud that's all that matters
vs. a VFO. You want I should hang a spectrum analyzer on the
oscillators during a dx contest or what?

Other pins they stuck in sacred balloons:

They don't use QSK, PTT works just fine.
The AGC is always ON.

All you did was blow up some different sacred balloons.

.. . . nah, we been here before, same old sacred balloons . . heh heh .
..

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

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