William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through
using cellular telephones.

Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for your
latest peculiar theory?

David, there is no theory. I merely stated a fact.

Actually, that isn't quite correct. You've made this latest statement
in response to another's statement. It appears that your goal is to
attempt demonstrating that amateur radio is not something which would be
useful in an emergency. Personally I'd want some amateur gear and a
cellular phone.

Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend!

How does a cellphone contest work?

David, now you're being obtuse. What's new?

Not at all, William/Brian. I simply responded to what you wrote. If
you had a more complex thought, you didn't express it.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through
using cellular telephones.

Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for your
latest peculiar theory?

David, there is no theory. I merely stated a fact.

Actually, that isn't quite correct. You've made this latest statement
in response to another's statement. It appears that your goal is to
attempt demonstrating that amateur radio is not something which would be
useful in an emergency.

That would be your theory, not mine.

Personally I'd want some amateur gear and a
cellular phone.

Personally, I try to avoid placing myself in a situation which becomes
an emergency. The next best thing is a cellular telephone, followed
by amateur radio.

Do you see evil in this?

Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend!

How does a cellphone contest work?

David, now you're being obtuse. What's new?

Not at all, William/Brian. I simply responded to what you wrote. If
you had a more complex thought, you didn't express it.

Dave K8MN

Dave, it is you who lacks complex thought. I enjoyed your little
escapade of bringing a cellular telephone to an amateur radio
contest. Maybe even France will call you. You're still good for a
few laughs.

(William) wrote in
m:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
William wrote:

The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got
through using cellular telephones.

Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for
your latest peculiar theory?

David, there is no theory. I merely stated a fact.

Actually, that isn't quite correct. You've made this latest statement
in response to another's statement. It appears that your goal is to
attempt demonstrating that amateur radio is not something which would
be useful in an emergency.

That would be your theory, not mine.

Personally I'd want some amateur gear and a
cellular phone.

Personally, I try to avoid placing myself in a situation which becomes
an emergency. The next best thing is a cellular telephone, followed
by amateur radio.

Do you see evil in this?

Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend!

How does a cellphone contest work?

David, now you're being obtuse. What's new?

Not at all, William/Brian. I simply responded to what you wrote. If
you had a more complex thought, you didn't express it.

Dave K8MN

Dave, it is you who lacks complex thought. I enjoyed your little
escapade of bringing a cellular telephone to an amateur radio
contest. Maybe even France will call you. You're still good for a
few laughs.


Cellular phone relies on a lot of infrastructure. Sure, if all the towers
are still up and there's power, then it will work. The same applies to our
repeaters, but we don't just have repeaters, we can still communicate
without them. If the whole area is levelled it will still be possible to
use ham radio.

Personally, I don't have a cell phone, so if I lost wired phone service I
would only have ham radio to fall back on. Oddly enough, cell phones have
not yet spread to every man, woman and child, but I don't know anyone who
doesn't have a phone number.

In article , Alun
writes:

Personally, I don't have a cell phone, so if I lost wired phone service I
would only have ham radio to fall back on. Oddly enough, cell phones have
not yet spread to every man, woman and child, but I don't know anyone who
doesn't have a phone number.

Alun, according to the Census Bureau's data as of 2003, there are
100 million cellular telephone subscriptions in the USA. That's about
one for every three citizens. Rather large "spread," I'd say. :-)

If every licensed amateur in the USA had one useable radio, then the
number of amateur radios would be one per about 430 citizens. Not
as big a "spread."

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

Personally, I don't have a cell phone, so if I lost wired phone service
I would only have ham radio to fall back on. Oddly enough, cell phones
have not yet spread to every man, woman and child, but I don't know
anyone who doesn't have a phone number.

Alun, according to the Census Bureau's data as of 2003, there are
100 million cellular telephone subscriptions in the USA. That's
about one for every three citizens. Rather large "spread," I'd say.
:-)

If every licensed amateur in the USA had one useable radio, then the
number of amateur radios would be one per about 430 citizens. Not
as big a "spread."

LHA / WMD


And your point is...?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at, but my point was that it is
reasonable to assume that everyone has a TV and a phone, for example, but
we're not yet at that point with cellphones. Close, but not there yet. Of
course, I would say that, as I don't have one.

The level of use of ham radio is not particularly relevant to the
discussion, except in that there are clearly enough of us to help out in an
emergency.

Alun wrote in message . ..


And your point is...?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at, but my point was that it is
reasonable to assume that everyone has a TV and a phone, for example, but
we're not yet at that point with cellphones. Close, but not there yet. Of
course, I would say that, as I don't have one.

The level of use of ham radio is not particularly relevant to the
discussion, except in that there are clearly enough of us to help out in an
emergency.

OK, Alun, lets look at it another way.

We agree that cellular phones can be useful in an emergency.

We agree that not everyone has a cellular phone, maybe only 1/3 of the
US population.

We know that there are very, very, very few amateur radio operators
per capita in the US population.

We can conclude that most people have better access to cellular phones
in an emergency than they have access to amateur radio.

(William) wrote in
om:

Alun wrote in message
. ..


And your point is...?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at, but my point was that it
is reasonable to assume that everyone has a TV and a phone, for
example, but we're not yet at that point with cellphones. Close, but
not there yet. Of course, I would say that, as I don't have one.

The level of use of ham radio is not particularly relevant to the
discussion, except in that there are clearly enough of us to help out
in an emergency.

OK, Alun, lets look at it another way.

We agree that cellular phones can be useful in an emergency.

We agree that not everyone has a cellular phone, maybe only 1/3 of the
US population.

We know that there are very, very, very few amateur radio operators
per capita in the US population.

We can conclude that most people have better access to cellular phones
in an emergency than they have access to amateur radio.


Possibly true, so long as the cell towers are still standing.

Alun wrote in message . ..
(Len Over 21) wrote in
:

In article , Alun
writes:

Personally, I don't have a cell phone, so if I lost wired phone service
I would only have ham radio to fall back on. Oddly enough, cell phones
have not yet spread to every man, woman and child, but I don't know
anyone who doesn't have a phone number.

Alun, according to the Census Bureau's data as of 2003, there are
100 million cellular telephone subscriptions in the USA. That's
about one for every three citizens. Rather large "spread," I'd say.
:-)

If every licensed amateur in the USA had one useable radio, then the
number of amateur radios would be one per about 430 citizens. Not
as big a "spread."

LHA / WMD


And your point is...?

Hey...! It's LENNIE, Alun! No point is necessary!

The level of use of ham radio is not particularly relevant to the
discussion, except in that there are clearly enough of us to help out in an
emergency.

And that they do, over and over and over, yet His Putziness still
insists that such is not the case, reams of evidence to the contrary.

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
Alun wrote in message . ..

And your point is...?

Hey...! It's LENNIE, Alun! No point is necessary!

Heil had to assign a "point" to my statements. Then he said I had
stated such a point. He was wrong.

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

The fact remains that many emergency calls were placed and got through
using cellular telephones.

Does that upset you or do you find it some sort of validation for your
latest peculiar theory?

David, there is no theory. I merely stated a fact.

Actually, that isn't quite correct. You've made this latest statement
in response to another's statement. It appears that your goal is to
attempt demonstrating that amateur radio is not something which would be
useful in an emergency.

That would be your theory, not mine.

That is simply incorrect, William/Brian. I made no attempt to disparage
amateur radio's role in an emergency. I leave that to the tag team of
"Len or Lenda".

Personally I'd want some amateur gear and a
cellular phone.

Personally, I try to avoid placing myself in a situation which becomes
an emergency. The next best thing is a cellular telephone, followed
by amateur radio.

Do you see evil in this?

Evil? Spring can't come early enough for you, can it?

Heaven forbid an emergency happens during a contest weekend!

How does a cellphone contest work?

David, now you're being obtuse. What's new?

Not at all, William/Brian. I simply responded to what you wrote. If
you had a more complex thought, you didn't express it.


Dave, it is you who lacks complex thought. I enjoyed your little
escapade of bringing a cellular telephone to an amateur radio
contest.

Please point out the portion of your original statement which contains
anything about an amateur radio contest.

Maybe even France will call you.

I've often received calls from France, both on the amateur bands and on
the telephone.

You're still good for a
few laughs.

The laughs, as usual, appear to be on you. I'd love to hear more of
your amateur radio contesting exploits. I'd probably pick up a tip or
too.
Your insight into DXing was extremely valueable.

Dave K8MN