BPL NPRM v. NOI
 

It's generally agreed that Access BPL will be a bad thing in any urban
radio environment. It's also apparent that way too many commenters
are trying to voice their grievances to the FCC in the wrong place.

FCC 04-29, the NPRM or Notice of Proposed Rule Making, was
released on 23 February 2004 with a 45 day period for Comments
and a total 75 day period for Replies to Comments.

Once an NPRM is released, any previous documentation
(comments, threats, entreaties, etc.) on the same subject are
essentially ignored by the FCC for the purposes of making new
rules indicated in the NPRM. While the website location may
remain open for comment on a subject long after the subject is
closed, those remain just bits on a very large hard drive and do
not have to be looked at by the FCC for any sort of rulemaking.

ET Docket 03-104 was an NOI or Notice Of Inquiry request by the
FCC to get suggested standards and testing for Broadband over
Power Lines (now called "Access BPL"). By the FCC's format,
the first two digits indicate the year of release (in that case 2003).
The comment and reply-to-comment period on 03-104 is long over,
yet radio amateurs keep posting on 03-104, even after an NPRM
has been released nearly a month before.

03-104 now has 5,713 documents in its ECFS section as of
Sunday, 14 March 2004. At least 600 of those were submitted
AFTER the initial notice of the NPRM (12 February 2004). Any
further input at 03-104 is not going to do any good. According to
the 12 Feb 04 Notice, the Docket number is 04-37. The NPRM is
04-29. As of Sunday, 14 Mar 04, the ECFS listings indicate the
following number of documents on the two dockets -

04-29: 5 04-37: 21

If anyone REALLY wants to make their voice heard on the BPL
subject, the above are the two places to file (I don't know yet why
the initial notice said "docket 04-37" but my Comment went to
both and were indicated as accepted).

The R&O (Report and Order) that established the latest
Restructuring in U.S. amateur radio was FCC 99-412 and was
effective 30 Dec 99. By the ECFS listings on the NPRM 98-143,
218 sent in Comments AFTER that date. All commentary
on 98-143 was cut off on 15 Jan 99 but many continued on
regardless. The last person to "file" comments on 98-143 was
Peter Alterman, PhD, W2CDO, document accepted 24 Sep 03 (!),
over two and a half years AFTER the R&O. Does anyone think
that 200+ comments filed on an NPRM after an R&O has been
issued will somehow make an R&O go away?

No one HAS to file anything on any subject with the FCC. Hams
can just let the ARRL do all the work for them and go back to
playing with their radios. However, anyone who really and truly
cares to comment as a thinking, independent citizen has an
excellent opportunity to speak DIRECTLY to our government.

There's no real delay with electronic filing. But...there's only about
two weeks left for initial Comments and a month more for Reply to
Comments and back-and-forth on same. Time doesn't stand still
and a minority membership organization can't do all the effective
speaking for you.

The alternative is to do NOTHING. Very safe, no effort required.
But, you don't qualify all the subsequent whines and crying about
the awful interference on HF when you did NOTHING. You did
NOTHING even if you sit around high-fiving all the other do-nothing
hams about your self-perceived wonderfulness and glorious
"service" to something or other.

CB was created 46 years ago and hams of today are still crying
and whining and P&Ming about the FCC "stealing away 'their' band"
even though they may not have been born when CB was.

DO SOMETHING. Tell the government what you think.

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:
CB was created 46 years ago and hams of today are still crying
and whining and P&Ming about the FCC "stealing away 'their' band"
even though they may not have been born when CB was.

They are? Would it be too much trouble for you to name one or two of
'em?

You seem to be whining and crying about amateur radio licensing issues
even though you weren't born when amateur radio was.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

You seem to be whining and crying about amateur radio licensing issues
even though you weren't born when amateur radio was.

Poor baby. ANGER affecting your thinking, is it?

Access BPL is going to affect ANYONE desiring to tune anything
in the HF and low-VHF spectrum.

You have some choices. Stay in here, do nothing about BPL, and
snarl at non-hams (like you always do); or, make your comments to
the FCC...free, quite quick, and you go on public record as one of
many who oppose Access BPL; or just let the ARRL do it, one
special-interest group against MANY others who want it.

You have this wonderful opportunity as a citizen to make your
feelings known to our government, freely, and without censorship.
But, you don't (at least not yet) and all you do in here is bitch and
snarl and try to arrogantly control others.

Play all you want with your mighty HF radios now. They might be
worthless in the future when BPL comes into your area and the
FCC has relaxed incidental RF radiation limits because not enough
citizens showed interest in the problem. Continue to snarl and
make nasty to selected individuals...that way you can say you are
"too busy" to comment on Access BPL because you were trying
to maintain ethnic cleansing of the newsgroup.

So long, Slobodan,

LHA / WMD

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:
CB was created 46 years ago and hams of today are still crying
and whining and P&Ming about the FCC "stealing away 'their' band"
even though they may not have been born when CB was.

They are? Would it be too much trouble for you to name one or two of
'em?

Actually, Dave, the citizens' radio service was created by FCC in 1946
and the first licenses issued in 1947. See:

http://hamgallery.com/Tribute/W8PAL/

The first allocations were in the 460 MHz range, and were known as
Class A and Class B cb. (One class was voice and the other
radio-control). The more-popular ~27 MHz cb (Class C and Class D) were
authorized by FCC in 1958. FRS and GMRS are really the lineal
descendants of 1946-era cb.

You seem to be whining and crying about amateur radio licensing issues
even though you weren't born when amateur radio was.

There's a profile floating around that you might find handy, Dave...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

You seem to be whining and crying about amateur radio licensing issues
even though you weren't born when amateur radio was.

Poor baby. ANGER affecting your thinking, is it?

No, Loon. Was it effecting your thinking when you wrote something
similar about what you believe hams are thinking about the loss of 11m?

Access BPL is going to affect ANYONE desiring to tune anything
in the HF and low-VHF spectrum.

Really?

You have some choices. Stay in here, do nothing about BPL, and
snarl at non-hams (like you always do); or, make your comments to
the FCC...free, quite quick, and you go on public record as one of
many who oppose Access BPL; or just let the ARRL do it, one
special-interest group against MANY others who want it.

You know, I've never needed your assistance in posting my comments to
the FCC before. What made you think I'd need it now?

Dave K8MN

N2EY wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:
CB was created 46 years ago and hams of today are still crying
and whining and P&Ming about the FCC "stealing away 'their' band"
even though they may not have been born when CB was.

They are? Would it be too much trouble for you to name one or two of
'em?

Actually, Dave, the citizens' radio service was created by FCC in 1946
and the first licenses issued in 1947. See:

http://hamgallery.com/Tribute/W8PAL/

The first allocations were in the 460 MHz range, and were known as
Class A and Class B cb. (One class was voice and the other
radio-control). The more-popular ~27 MHz cb (Class C and Class D) were
authorized by FCC in 1958. FRS and GMRS are really the lineal
descendants of 1946-era cb.

I would have thought our resident expert on all things radio would have
known that.

You seem to be whining and crying about amateur radio licensing issues
even though you weren't born when amateur radio was.

There's a profile floating around that you might find handy, Dave...

Oh, don't worry. Your summary of Len's likely actions will pop up from
time to time as long as he acts as he does. The humorous part of
dealing with Leonard is that he just can't see is that he is guilty of
those things of which he accuses others. If someone like him moved next
door to me, I'd give serious thought to planting a "For Sale" sign on my
lawn--or maybe I'd just paint my house lavender and put in a yard full
of pink plastic flamingos.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:
CB was created 46 years ago and hams of today are still crying
and whining and P&Ming about the FCC "stealing away 'their' band"
even though they may not have been born when CB was.

They are? Would it be too much trouble for you to name one or two of
'em?

Actually, Dave, the citizens' radio service was created by FCC in 1946
and the first licenses issued in 1947. See:

http://hamgallery.com/Tribute/W8PAL/

The first allocations were in the 460 MHz range, and were known as
Class A and Class B cb. (One class was voice and the other
radio-control). The more-popular ~27 MHz cb (Class C and Class D) were
authorized by FCC in 1958. FRS and GMRS are really the lineal
descendants of 1946-era cb.

I would have thought our resident expert on all things radio would have
known that.

Such a person should also know that FCC will accept comments up to 45 days from
the date an NPRM is published in the federal register.

Such a person should also know that FCC has been doing the comment thing for
decades. Back in the 60s FCC got over 6000 comments to the various "incentive
licensing" proposals. This was back in the days when such comments were usually
manually typed and mailed - no PCs, no internet, no emails. This was
back when the number of US hams was about 40% of what it is today.

And you'd think such a person would have filed comments on 98-143 during the
comment period, not the reply comment period, and done it electronically. But
hey, even professionals have computer trouble.

You seem to be whining and crying about amateur radio licensing issues
even though you weren't born when amateur radio was.

There's a profile floating around that you might find handy, Dave...

Oh, don't worry. Your summary of Len's likely actions will pop up from
time to time as long as he acts as he does.

So predictable.

The humorous part of
dealing with Leonard is that he just can't see is that he is guilty of
those things of which he accuses others.

Maybe he can. Maybe that's his point.

If someone like him moved next
door to me, I'd give serious thought to planting a "For Sale" sign on my
lawn--or maybe I'd just paint my house lavender and put in a yard full
of pink plastic flamingos.

Did you ever see the John Waters film by that name?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

The first allocations were in the 460 MHz range, and were known as
Class A and Class B cb. (One class was voice and the other
radio-control). The more-popular ~27 MHz cb (Class C and Class D) were
authorized by FCC in 1958. FRS and GMRS are really the lineal
descendants of 1946-era cb.

I would have thought our resident expert on all things radio would have
known that.

You don't think Lennie was going to let somehting like "details"
or "facts" get in the way of his chance to let loose yet another
anti-Amateur barrage, do ya...?!?!

(...and pretty much puts a hole in his "hams don't know anything
about radio outside of ham bands" rants...)

There's a profile floating around that you might find handy, Dave...

Oh, don't worry. Your summary of Len's likely actions will pop up from
time to time as long as he acts as he does. The humorous part of
dealing with Leonard is that he just can't see is that he is guilty of
those things of which he accuses others. If someone like him moved next
door to me, I'd give serious thought to planting a "For Sale" sign on my
lawn--or maybe I'd just paint my house lavender and put in a yard full
of pink plastic flamingos.

Better idea: Paint HIS house lavender and put the flamingoes in
HIS yard...especially when he takes one of his vaunted "road trips"
with Mrs Lennie...Don't forget the metallized fountain ball and the
"carriage boy with lantern" figurine..


73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

The humorous part of
dealing with Leonard is that he just can't see is that he is guilty of
those things of which he accuses others.

The humorous part of it is that those things of which he accuses
others is generally correct.

If someone like him moved next
door to me, I'd give serious thought to planting a "For Sale" sign on my
lawn--or maybe I'd just paint my house lavender and put in a yard full
of pink plastic flamingos.

Dave K8MN

Hmmmm? A Lavendar painted tar-paper shack? WV Chic?

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:
CB was created 46 years ago and hams of today are still crying
and whining and P&Ming about the FCC "stealing away 'their' band"
even though they may not have been born when CB was.

They are? Would it be too much trouble for you to name one or two of
'em?

Actually, Dave, the citizens' radio service was created by FCC in 1946
and the first licenses issued in 1947. See:

http://hamgallery.com/Tribute/W8PAL/

The first allocations were in the 460 MHz range,

462 Mhz to be more precise I do believe.

and were known as
Class A and Class B cb. (One class was voice and the other
radio-control).

Yessir. Maybe 1950 or so and I was prowling Arch around Tenth and one
of those radio row junk shops had it's usual pile lined up on the
sidewalk. In addition to the half ton of WW2 surplus goodies there
were several clean new-looking boxes which, in retrospect, were along
the lines of the Gonset Communicators and/or Benton Harbor Lunchboxes.
Nice looking pieces, mics included, had short whips atop the boxes.
Looked like complete two-way radios to me and were marked $5 each,
same $$ as all the ARC-5 boxes. I asked the guy what they were. His
exact words are long lost of course but the gist of it was that they
were for a new kind of two-way radio band everybody could use without
having to take any FCC tests at all. "WHAT??". Unthinkable! "What
frequencies do they run on?" "UHF crap, 400 Mhz or something. Don't
work worth a damn for more than a few blocks away, don't bother kid."
I didn't.


The more-popular ~27 MHz cb (Class C and Class D) were
authorized by FCC in 1958. FRS and GMRS are really the lineal
descendants of 1946-era cb.

You seem to be whining and crying about amateur radio licensing issues
even though you weren't born when amateur radio was.

There's a profile floating around that you might find handy, Dave...

73 de Jim, N2EY

b.

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

You know, I've never needed your assistance in posting my comments to
the FCC before. What made you think I'd need it now?

Dave K8MN

Len stated, "It's also apparent that way too many commenters are
trying to voice their grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

Len did not state that "David Heil/K8MN is trying to voice his
grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

What made you think he did?

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

You know, I've never needed your assistance in posting my comments to
the FCC before. What made you think I'd need it now?

Dave K8MN

Len stated, "It's also apparent that way too many commenters are
trying to voice their grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

Len did not state that "David Heil/K8MN is trying to voice his
grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

What made you think he did?

Mr. Foreign Serviceman thinks that every PUBLIC posting I make is
aimed straight at him and his ego wounds are grievous.

The gunnery nurse thinks every PUBLIC posting I make is aimed
straight at him and he is mad as heck and can't take it any more.

But, over 600 comments have been filed on NOI 03-104 since the
04-29 NPRM was released...over 600 comments that will have no
effect on FCC decision-making on NPRM 04-29.

As of the close of FCC business on 15 March 2004, the number
of comments on 04-29 and 04-37 are the SAME number as on
the close of business on 11 March 2004. No one seems to be
filing anything. Not even FISTS...but then "CW gets through when
nothing else will" according to them and they aren't worried about
Access BPL.

Everyone else seems happy and content with personal in-fighting
in newsgroups instead of going out and DOING anything about
BPL. That shows everyone how "dedicated" they are to preserving
their hobby lifestyles. Dedication = nothing. Imagination and
fantasy = everything.

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

Better idea: Paint HIS house lavender and put the flamingoes in
HIS yard...especially when he takes one of his vaunted "road trips"
with Mrs Lennie...Don't forget the metallized fountain ball and the
"carriage boy with lantern" figurine..

73

Steve, K4YZ

Vandalism? An effigy of racism? You're acting out of control again.

But you guys go ahead with your stomp-fest. It is well deserved. I
mean Lean was waaay off with his date for CB creation. He deserves
what he gets.

Pffft!

Brian, the murine corpse are preparing even as you write. Hundreds
of Heroic Mighty Men in cammies and greasepaint are putting on
their chutes and 80-pound GP bags, hooking up in the C5 jump door
waiting for the HALO drop signal from Fearless Leider, the
gunnery nurse. The Amateur Expeditionary FORCE at the ready!

Death to professionals! Death to CB! Death to No-Coders! Phrases
are mouthed silently as the murine corpse AEF read their phrase
cards, fingers moving slowly under the printing as they chant
mentally, anxious to drop and KILL all that disagree with Their
Beliefs!

All is not well in the C5. Dozens of pink flamingos are pooping on
cans of lavendar paint, that stuff clogging the control lines of the C5.
The C5 drifts off course, heading for the Amana Colonies. No
matter, the PA system on the C5 blares out the recorded Hymn,
"From the halls of down-town Tennessee to the shores of Mary
Land, we will fight our imaginary battle foes..."

Tune in tomorrow for another chapter in the gunnery nurse's
fevered imagination as he seethes righteously in front of his
screen, murderous thoughts causing his eyes to glow like red
LEDs on overvoltage.

Ho hum...all that about a hobby involving radios...

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

Better idea: Paint HIS house lavender and put the flamingoes in
HIS yard...especially when he takes one of his vaunted "road trips"
with Mrs Lennie...Don't forget the metallized fountain ball and the
"carriage boy with lantern" figurine..

73

Steve, K4YZ

Vandalism? An effigy of racism? You're acting out of control again.

But you guys go ahead with your stomp-fest. It is well deserved. I
mean Lean was waaay off with his date for CB creation. He deserves
what he gets.

Pffft!

Brian, the murine corpse are preparing even as you write. Hundreds
of Heroic Mighty Men in cammies and greasepaint are putting on
their chutes and 80-pound GP bags, hooking up in the C5 jump door
waiting for the HALO drop signal from Fearless Leider, the
gunnery nurse. The Amateur Expeditionary FORCE at the ready!

Death to professionals! Death to CB! Death to No-Coders! Phrases
are mouthed silently as the murine corpse AEF read their phrase
cards, fingers moving slowly under the printing as they chant
mentally, anxious to drop and KILL all that disagree with Their
Beliefs!

All is not well in the C5. Dozens of pink flamingos are pooping on
cans of lavendar paint, that stuff clogging the control lines of the C5.
The C5 drifts off course, heading for the Amana Colonies. No
matter, the PA system on the C5 blares out the recorded Hymn,
"From the halls of down-town Tennessee to the shores of Mary
Land, we will fight our imaginary battle foes..."

Tune in tomorrow for another chapter in the gunnery nurse's
fevered imagination as he seethes righteously in front of his
screen, murderous thoughts causing his eyes to glow like red
LEDs on overvoltage.

You know, Loon, you're not wrapped very tightly.

Ho hum...all that about a hobby involving radios...

....and one in which you are not the least bit involved. If it bores you
(ho hum), why do you hang around?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:


(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
le.com...

Better idea: Paint HIS house lavender and put the flamingoes in
HIS yard...especially when he takes one of his vaunted "road trips"
with Mrs Lennie...Don't forget the metallized fountain ball and the
"carriage boy with lantern" figurine..

73

Steve, K4YZ

Vandalism? An effigy of racism? You're acting out of control again.

But you guys go ahead with your stomp-fest. It is well deserved. I
mean Lean was waaay off with his date for CB creation. He deserves
what he gets.

Pffft!

Brian, the murine corpse are preparing even as you write. Hundreds
of Heroic Mighty Men in cammies and greasepaint are putting on
their chutes and 80-pound GP bags, hooking up in the C5 jump door
waiting for the HALO drop signal from Fearless Leider, the
gunnery nurse. The Amateur Expeditionary FORCE at the ready!

Death to professionals! Death to CB! Death to No-Coders! Phrases
are mouthed silently as the murine corpse AEF read their phrase
cards, fingers moving slowly under the printing as they chant
mentally, anxious to drop and KILL all that disagree with Their
Beliefs!

All is not well in the C5. Dozens of pink flamingos are pooping on
cans of lavendar paint, that stuff clogging the control lines of the C5.
The C5 drifts off course, heading for the Amana Colonies. No
matter, the PA system on the C5 blares out the recorded Hymn,
"From the halls of down-town Tennessee to the shores of Mary
Land, we will fight our imaginary battle foes..."

Tune in tomorrow for another chapter in the gunnery nurse's
fevered imagination as he seethes righteously in front of his
screen, murderous thoughts causing his eyes to glow like red
LEDs on overvoltage.


You know, Loon, you're not wrapped very tightly.


Ho hum...all that about a hobby involving radios...


...and one in which you are not the least bit involved. If it bores you
(ho hum), why do you hang around?

If I may be so direct, it's because he can rely on a good row with
Steve and you. I understand your rationale, but he'll be happy to fight
with y'all as long as y'all are happy to fight with him. just newsgroup
BPL. 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:


(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
gle.com...

Better idea: Paint HIS house lavender and put the flamingoes in
HIS yard...especially when he takes one of his vaunted "road trips"
with Mrs Lennie...Don't forget the metallized fountain ball and the
"carriage boy with lantern" figurine..

73

Steve, K4YZ

Vandalism? An effigy of racism? You're acting out of control again.

But you guys go ahead with your stomp-fest. It is well deserved. I
mean Lean was waaay off with his date for CB creation. He deserves
what he gets.

Pffft!

Brian, the murine corpse are preparing even as you write. Hundreds
of Heroic Mighty Men in cammies and greasepaint are putting on
their chutes and 80-pound GP bags, hooking up in the C5 jump door
waiting for the HALO drop signal from Fearless Leider, the
gunnery nurse. The Amateur Expeditionary FORCE at the ready!

Death to professionals! Death to CB! Death to No-Coders! Phrases
are mouthed silently as the murine corpse AEF read their phrase
cards, fingers moving slowly under the printing as they chant
mentally, anxious to drop and KILL all that disagree with Their
Beliefs!

All is not well in the C5. Dozens of pink flamingos are pooping on
cans of lavendar paint, that stuff clogging the control lines of the C5.
The C5 drifts off course, heading for the Amana Colonies. No
matter, the PA system on the C5 blares out the recorded Hymn,
"From the halls of down-town Tennessee to the shores of Mary
Land, we will fight our imaginary battle foes..."

Tune in tomorrow for another chapter in the gunnery nurse's
fevered imagination as he seethes righteously in front of his
screen, murderous thoughts causing his eyes to glow like red
LEDs on overvoltage.

You know, Loon, you're not wrapped very tightly.

Ho hum...all that about a hobby involving radios...

...and one in which you are not the least bit involved. If it bores you
(ho hum), why do you hang around?

If I may be so direct, it's because he can rely on a good row with
Steve and you. I understand your rationale, but he'll be happy to fight
with y'all as long as y'all are happy to fight with him. just newsgroup
BPL. 8^)

You're right in one way, Mike. Mr. FS wants to Put Me Down.
It's his way of asserting control over this automotive chat room.
He's tried all sorts of ways to put me down and hasn't yet
succeeded. It must be terribly frustrating that he doesn't Get
His Way.

So, how's your CW rate coming along? Are you ready for the
next emergency where you have to communicate by morse
outside of a disaster area?

Or are you going to use BPL...Beeping Pejorative Language?

LHA / WMD

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

You know, Loon, you're not wrapped very tightly.

Then it all balances out. Some here are wrapped too tightly.

Ho hum...all that about a hobby involving radios...

...and one in which you are not the least bit involved. If it bores you
(ho hum), why do you hang around?

Because you cannot resist commenting.

I hate to agree with Len. But he is right on this one.

Dan/W4NTI

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

You know, I've never needed your assistance in posting my comments to
the FCC before. What made you think I'd need it now?

Dave K8MN

Len stated, "It's also apparent that way too many commenters are
trying to voice their grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

Len did not state that "David Heil/K8MN is trying to voice his
grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

What made you think he did?

Mr. Foreign Serviceman thinks that every PUBLIC posting I make is
aimed straight at him and his ego wounds are grievous.

The gunnery nurse thinks every PUBLIC posting I make is aimed
straight at him and he is mad as heck and can't take it any more.

But, over 600 comments have been filed on NOI 03-104 since the
04-29 NPRM was released...over 600 comments that will have no
effect on FCC decision-making on NPRM 04-29.

As of the close of FCC business on 15 March 2004, the number
of comments on 04-29 and 04-37 are the SAME number as on
the close of business on 11 March 2004. No one seems to be
filing anything. Not even FISTS...but then "CW gets through when
nothing else will" according to them and they aren't worried about
Access BPL.

Everyone else seems happy and content with personal in-fighting
in newsgroups instead of going out and DOING anything about
BPL. That shows everyone how "dedicated" they are to preserving
their hobby lifestyles. Dedication = nothing. Imagination and
fantasy = everything.

LHA / WMD

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

You know, Loon, you're not wrapped very tightly.

Then it all balances out. Some here are wrapped too tightly.

Ho hum...all that about a hobby involving radios...

...and one in which you are not the least bit involved. If it bores you
(ho hum), why do you hang around?

Because you cannot resist commenting.

I beg your pardon. What exactly did you do? I suppose you just could
not resist commenting.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Dave Heil wrote:
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

If I may be so direct, it's because he can rely on a good row with
Steve and you. I understand your rationale, but he'll be happy to fight
with y'all as long as y'all are happy to fight with him. just newsgroup
BPL. 8^)

You're right in one way, Mike. Mr. FS wants to Put Me Down.

What's with the "Put Me Down"? I don't think that highly of you. Just
plain old "put me down" would suffice. Oh, and I'm not Mr. Field
Strength, Loon.

It's his way of asserting control over this automotive chat room.

This is a newsgroup, not a chat room. If I had control over it, you
certainly wouldn't be posting here.

He's tried all sorts of ways to put me down and hasn't yet
succeeded. It must be terribly frustrating that he doesn't Get
His Way.

You must not be paying attention. You've been easily had easily and
recently. I just love a good Los Angeles Marathon tale.

Dave K8MN

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

If someone like him moved next
door to me, I'd give serious thought to planting a "For Sale" sign on my
lawn--or maybe I'd just paint my house lavender and put in a yard full
of pink plastic flamingos.

Did you ever see the John Waters film by that name?

No. Then again, I was away for a long time.

Dave K8MN

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I hate to agree with Len. But he is right on this one.

Dan/W4NTI

Gotta admit too Dan, and give Len credit here, he makes a very good point.

In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

You know, Loon, you're not wrapped very tightly.

Then it all balances out. Some here are wrapped too tightly.

Some have NO wrapping at all...as in the old tale of "The
Emperor's New Clothes." :-)

The fella who didn't know what or who an Iowa tourist location
was is too full of anger and resentment to be able to "wrap
himself" or exhibit any sense of humor. Everything has to be
"wrapped" Just So, nice precise uniform creases to opinions,
all marching in ranks like good little "service" men.

Ho hum...all that about a hobby involving radios...

...and one in which you are not the least bit involved. If it bores you
(ho hum), why do you hang around?

Because you cannot resist commenting.

...and because it doesn't matter what anything Heil says about me
in here. I'm going to continue posting as *I* see fit and Heil is just
so much QRM to work through...until the morse code test is
eliminated. Of course, by that time, I might change my mind and
NOT leave. :-)

LHA / WMD

In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

I hate to agree with Len. But he is right on this one.

Dan/W4NTI

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...

You know, I've never needed your assistance in posting my comments to
the FCC before. What made you think I'd need it now?

Dave K8MN

Len stated, "It's also apparent that way too many commenters are
trying to voice their grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

Len did not state that "David Heil/K8MN is trying to voice his
grievances to the FCC in the wrong place."

What made you think he did?

Mr. Foreign Serviceman thinks that every PUBLIC posting I make is
aimed straight at him and his ego wounds are grievous.

The gunnery nurse thinks every PUBLIC posting I make is aimed
straight at him and he is mad as heck and can't take it any more.

But, over 600 comments have been filed on NOI 03-104 since the
04-29 NPRM was released...over 600 comments that will have no
effect on FCC decision-making on NPRM 04-29.

As of the close of FCC business on 15 March 2004, the number
of comments on 04-29 and 04-37 are the SAME number as on
the close of business on 11 March 2004. No one seems to be
filing anything. Not even FISTS...but then "CW gets through when
nothing else will" according to them and they aren't worried about
Access BPL.

Everyone else seems happy and content with personal in-fighting
in newsgroups instead of going out and DOING anything about
BPL. That shows everyone how "dedicated" they are to preserving
their hobby lifestyles. Dedication = nothing. Imagination and
fantasy = everything.

LHA / WMD

Thank you, Dan.

Checking the FCC website ECFS for 16 March 2004 after the close of
business there (about 8:10 PM EST), there were NO additional
comments filed on 04-29 since 10 March 2004. There were only 2
comments on 04-37 by Lionel Booth, PE, N3LB, MARS AR6IP, and
good old rambling Earl Gosnell III, also a licensed radio amateur.

Booth's comment is good since he is approaching the problem in
broad terms, that of the electric power lines becoming actual RF
radiators. Those affect ALL wanting to use HF to low VHF. It is a
literate document and worth reading the 11 pages on file.

If folks don't want to trouble themselves with engineering details or
EM theory, then at least they ought to scan the Booth document
and say they SUPPORT it...in public...on the ECFS. The FCC
sees all those and considers them for a final R&O.

It isn't difficult to file a comment at the FCC. Anyone can do it
on-line for a short comment, no fancy formatting or word processing
needed. Hundreds have already done so on other subjects. The
FCC has made it EASY for ordinary citizens to comment.

There's no real excuse to sit like lumps in a bog, doing nothing
but on-line newsgroup combat. That won't make Access BPL go
away, won't stop the BPL interference from that power line in
front of the house.

Red-dog the FCC ECFS, hit both 04-29 and 04-37. If anyone goes
to 04-29 and wants to comment based on Booth's comment, then
mention his filing under Et Docket 04-37 for 16 March 2004.

I can understand some who hate my guts for other reasons and
won't want to mention my comments on both 04-29 and 04-37.
But, LIonel Booth filed under 04-37 and he IS a licensed radio
amateur as well as a registered Professional Engineer. At least
reference Booth's comment and SUPPORT it.

LHA / WMD

Citizen Band was created when they started issueing licenses without a CW
requirement.

In article ,
says...


Citizen Band was created when they started issueing licenses without a CW
requirement.

From someone who entered via no-code and advanced to extra within a year
I take issue with that.

Perhaps the no-code license was the best thing that happened to amateur
radio. It removed an obstacle I wasn't ready to face at the time but
after a couple months I got my 5WPM code. And then a couple months later
my 13WPM and then the 20WMP.

What ticks me off is the watered down code requirement that we have now.
But in essence, we're all appliance operators now anyhow. It doesn't
really matter. And I think the days of amateur radio are numbered what
with BPL and such.

In article , JJ
writes:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I hate to agree with Len. But he is right on this one.

Dan/W4NTI

Gotta admit too Dan, and give Len credit here, he makes a very good point.

He's just repeating what ARRL and many of us have been saying for about a year
now - get the facts and comment to FCC in the appropriate places.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Tony P. wrote in message ...
In article ,
says...

Citizen Band was created when they started issueing licenses without a CW
requirement.

From someone who entered via no-code and advanced to extra within a year
I take issue with that.

He's just a troll, Tony.

Perhaps the no-code license was the best thing that happened to amateur
radio. It removed an obstacle I wasn't ready to face at the time but
after a couple months I got my 5WPM code. And then a couple months later
my 13WPM and then the 20WMP.

Was it really that hard to learn?

What ticks me off is the watered down code requirement that we have now.

It's the logical result. Gradually reduce the requirements.

But in essence, we're all appliance operators now anyhow.

Not me!

It doesn't really matter.

I think it does.

And I think the days of amateur radio are numbered what
with BPL and such.

I hope not. But even if deployed, BPL may not survive for other
reasons. Ever hear of the Iridium system?

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

He's setting the stage for making rant fodder out of anybody around
here who doesn't submit a set of commnents to the FCC.

Looks like Kellie has already set the stage for his excuses in
not filing a damn thing and will then tawk tuff about nasty
gubmint afterwards.

Kellie tawks tuff all over the place in here. He can't do it to
the FCC? :-)

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , JJ

writes:

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I hate to agree with Len. But he is right on this one.

Dan/W4NTI

Gotta admit too Dan, and give Len credit here, he makes a very good point.

He's just repeating what ARRL...

Damn you, Lean. You sold out!!!

You've become just another mouthpiece for the ARRL!

Ah, but I put the ARRL definitely in one cheek...

I'm gonna have to call you "The Non-Amateur Formerly Known Not As
Mouth-Piece for the ARRL," or TNAFKNAMPARRL for short.

Why not? All the pro-coders call me something... :-)

Thanks for the tip, TAFKARJ.

Jimmie has tips on everything. He knows what is, what isn't, who is
right, who is wrong, even what the FCC thinks. Information
technology or IT. He's full of IT. :-)

Yours sincerely,
TNAFKNAMPARRL

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...

Better idea: Paint HIS house lavender and put the flamingoes in
HIS yard...especially when he takes one of his vaunted "road trips"
with Mrs Lennie...Don't forget the metallized fountain ball and the
"carriage boy with lantern" figurine..

73

Steve, K4YZ

Vandalism? An effigy of racism? You're acting out of control again.

Uh huh...

But you guys go ahead with your stomp-fest. It is well deserved. I
mean Lean was waaay off with his date for CB creation. He deserves
what he gets.

I guess you meant "Len", Brain...but another typo, per the
LennieRant of "typo = rage" must mean we're getting under you skin!
Too bad!

Nope, no anger or rage. Len has been working out and now I call him
"Lean."

Actually, I've been out working, not working out. :-)


But I do detect yet another typo in your reply.

Yeah...he does...Offers himself up as a "professional", scolds
EVERYONE for allegedly not knowing about anything not directly Part 97
related, then makes stupid, easily caught errors.

He would praise you for knowing sumptin about about Part 97. Best of
Luck.

He knows it exists. That's a plus. Beyond that, his score isn't
the highest grade on the report card.

Kinda like you, Brain, without the assertion of "professional".

Steve, K4YZ

I can read and understand Part 97, Morse vs Farnsworth,
repeater owners charging $$$ for use of a repeater.

And another typo on your part.

Nothing new. Gunnery nurse is mad has heck and hasn't been
taking anything. He should take something.

Sincerely,
TNAFKNAMPARRL