"Michael Black" wrote in message
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Hardly any magazines over the same period were published by independents.
Most were under big publishers. Independents had a tendency to fail.
Or, they'd be sold to the big publishers, and then had tendency to
disappear. Gernsback himself started an awful lot of magazines, and
most of them "failed" too, maybe faster than Wayne's. Gernsback,
the publisher, failed last year, killing it's last remaining magazine,
that basically hadn't had much of a life.

No, I think Wayne was pretty successful.

Michael VE2BVW

Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.

Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave

"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave

I taped the show last night.
Guess what folks..!

BOTH Wayne and that GOLD PLATED KOOK David
were booted off of the show last night by Noorey!
Seems that Booth did not want to talk about *anything*
and all that Green seemed to want to do was shill for
Booth and his crap for sale. After wasting ONE HOUR of
airtime (..on 500+ AM stations and XM Sat Radio live)
and logging THOUSANDS of listener complain e-mails
that they were cheated, Noorey booted both these
jerks off the program!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Just what these two carnival circuis
sideshow barkers needed! Booth made a
total schmuck of himself and Green sat there
grinning like a cheshire cat with a microphone
inserted up it's anus.....all on live AM Radio.

Here's the official release from C to C AM:

Meeting with Lucia?

Returning to the show, precognitive David Booth
was joined by author Wayne Green to ostensibly
discuss his recent meeting with Lucia, witness to
the Miracles of Fatima in 1917. Booth had been
invited to meet with Sister Lucia, presumably
because of the apocalyptic visions he had in
2003.

Booth said he met Sister Lucia, now 97, at a
Carmelite convent in Portugal and held a
private conversation with her for five minutes.
He would only reveal that he was told that
a "new star" that had been prophesized
about would begin to shine. Because Booth
had been booked on the show to discuss
his meeting with Lucia, and refused to elaborate
further upon it, the interview was cut short, and
the last 90 minutes of the program was
reserved for Open Lines.

-------------------------------------------------

Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:
"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave


I taped the show last night.
Guess what folks..!

BOTH Wayne and that GOLD PLATED KOOK David
were booted off of the show last night by Noorey!
Seems that Booth did not want to talk about *anything*
and all that Green seemed to want to do was shill for
Booth and his crap for sale. After wasting ONE HOUR of
airtime (..on 500+ AM stations and XM Sat Radio live)
and logging THOUSANDS of listener complain e-mails
that they were cheated, Noorey booted both these
jerks off the program!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Just what these two carnival circuis
sideshow barkers needed! Booth made a
total schmuck of himself and Green sat there
grinning like a cheshire cat with a microphone
inserted up it's anus.....all on live AM Radio.

Here's the official release from C to C AM:

Meeting with Lucia?

Returning to the show, precognitive David Booth
was joined by author Wayne Green to ostensibly
discuss his recent meeting with Lucia, witness to
the Miracles of Fatima in 1917. Booth had been
invited to meet with Sister Lucia, presumably
because of the apocalyptic visions he had in
2003.

Booth said he met Sister Lucia, now 97, at a
Carmelite convent in Portugal and held a
private conversation with her for five minutes.
He would only reveal that he was told that
a "new star" that had been prophesized
about would begin to shine. Because Booth
had been booked on the show to discuss
his meeting with Lucia, and refused to elaborate
further upon it, the interview was cut short, and
the last 90 minutes of the program was
reserved for Open Lines.

-------------------------------------------------


The story doesn't end there. Apparently after booting Green and
Booth off the show, Noory had his producers check with the
Carmelites of the convent where the nun lives. They were told she
is very old and frail and has not had visitors for a long time!
Noory discussed all this on Friday nights show.

The whole thing was obviously a scam from the start. Green and
Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of David
Booth or his apocalyptic dreams. They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.

Anyone up for a good tar and feathering?

S

In article ,
Steven B wrote:

Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:
"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave


I taped the show last night.
Guess what folks..!

BOTH Wayne and that GOLD PLATED KOOK David
were booted off of the show last night by Noorey!
Seems that Booth did not want to talk about *anything*
and all that Green seemed to want to do was shill for
Booth and his crap for sale. After wasting ONE HOUR of
airtime (..on 500+ AM stations and XM Sat Radio live)
and logging THOUSANDS of listener complain e-mails
that they were cheated, Noorey booted both these
jerks off the program!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Just what these two carnival circuis
sideshow barkers needed! Booth made a
total schmuck of himself and Green sat there
grinning like a cheshire cat with a microphone
inserted up it's anus.....all on live AM Radio.

Here's the official release from C to C AM:

Meeting with Lucia?

Returning to the show, precognitive David Booth
was joined by author Wayne Green to ostensibly
discuss his recent meeting with Lucia, witness to
the Miracles of Fatima in 1917. Booth had been
invited to meet with Sister Lucia, presumably
because of the apocalyptic visions he had in
2003.

Booth said he met Sister Lucia, now 97, at a
Carmelite convent in Portugal and held a
private conversation with her for five minutes.
He would only reveal that he was told that
a "new star" that had been prophesized
about would begin to shine. Because Booth
had been booked on the show to discuss
his meeting with Lucia, and refused to elaborate
further upon it, the interview was cut short, and
the last 90 minutes of the program was
reserved for Open Lines.

-------------------------------------------------


The story doesn't end there. Apparently after booting Green and
Booth off the show, Noory had his producers check with the
Carmelites of the convent where the nun lives. They were told she
is very old and frail and has not had visitors for a long time!
Noory discussed all this on Friday nights show.

The whole thing was obviously a scam from the start. Green and
Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of David
Booth or his apocalyptic dreams. They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.

Anyone up for a good tar and feathering?

S

My goodness! Snoory gets a spine!
My impression has been that since he took over he's been afraid to rock
the boat by thoroughly interviewing any guest, lest some of the
credulous listeners be lost. Meanwhile Art, appearing on the weekend and
with nothing to lose anymore, dared to actually call into question some
of the nonsense. Now it's Snoory too!
That show could really be fun if some of those money-grubbing liars who
appear on it were asked a few probing questions from time to time.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Steven B wrote:

Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:
"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...
They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.

Anyone up for a good tar and feathering?

Leonard

Maybe we ought to wait until the end of the year and see if
there are enough people left to make up a proper mob.(G)

HWB
(Collum Puniceus)

"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
...

[snip]

That show could really be fun if some of those money-grubbing liars who
appear on it were asked a few probing questions from time to time.

Leonard


Probing questions won't happen to entertaining guests, no matter how
fraudulent they may be. Booth got every break imaginable from Noory,
including Noory's frequent repetition of Booth's claims about his "O'hare
crash vision" and the interview with the Fatima witness. But Booth
continued to evade Noory's softball questions.

Uri Geller will be next Thursday night's guest. Let's see how long Noory's
integrity attack lasts.

Frank Dresser

Steven B wrote in message ...

The story doesn't end there. Apparently after booting Green and
Booth off the show, Noory had his producers check with the
Carmelites of the convent where the nun lives. They were told she
is very old and frail and has not had visitors for a long time!
Noory discussed all this on Friday nights show.

The whole thing was obviously a scam from the start. Green and
Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of David
Booth or his apocalyptic dreams. They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Interesting but you need to elaborate and clarify. Did Noory flat out
state that Booth did not meet with Sister Lucia? Also, your sentence
"Green and Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of
David Booth or his apocalyptic dreams" doesn't make sense in context.
If she never heard of him how could she request a visit from him? Why
would Booth make that claim? It would undermine his claim that the
meeting took place. Clarify please.
Melvin

Melvin Creep wrote:
Steven B wrote in message ...

The story doesn't end there. Apparently after booting Green and
Booth off the show, Noory had his producers check with the
Carmelites of the convent where the nun lives. They were told she
is very old and frail and has not had visitors for a long time!
Noory discussed all this on Friday nights show.

The whole thing was obviously a scam from the start. Green and
Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of David
Booth or his apocalyptic dreams. They are pandering to the end of
the world crowd claiming that 97% of the people on Earth would
die this year.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Interesting but you need to elaborate and clarify. Did Noory flat out
state that Booth did not meet with Sister Lucia? Also, your sentence
"Green and Booth had claimed that Sister Lucia had never heard of
David Booth or his apocalyptic dreams" doesn't make sense in context.
If she never heard of him how could she request a visit from him? Why
would Booth make that claim? It would undermine his claim that the
meeting took place. Clarify please.
Melvin


Noory stated that the morning after the show his producers called
the convent and were told that Sister Lucia had not had any
visitors.

Probably what made him and the producers suspicious was the
strange claim that the last Fatima nun, Sister Lucia would call
Booth to come meet with her when she had never heard of booth or
his dreams 25 years ago of a plane crash. You are correct, that
makes no sense.

Noory threw plenty of softballs to Booth, but even with Noory's
help his story didn't make sense. Booth and Green had nothing to
say except promote book sales and they were booted and Noory said
that neither would be welcome on C2C again.

That's all I know since that's all Noory said on Friday's show.

S

Here's a repost from alt.fan.art-bell
Says it all VERY WELL!

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"fc045" wrote in message
ink.net...

Noory finally stands up to the fraud$

Remember when Art Bell tried to scare us ****less by bringing on guests
who
predicted the end of the world then actively
selecting which guests he would label on his fraud "list" he would never
have on his show again? He continually
ditched guests and "friends" in a lame attempt to bring integrity to the
show yet only interested in saving his own butt. Things
came to a head when he spooked the Heaven's Gate cult members to kill
themselves. Art was never the wildly alarmist
hit-and-runner like his guests, at least apparently. Whitley ****ter and
Ed
Damn-you-all-to-h*ll we all know are on his team.
They write "collaborative" books like bargian trash bin "superstorm" and
call themselves prophets vs. the "mainstream" media.
Then Art tells them to shut up on end of the world ultimatims and even
Dames
relented that his death prophecies could with .00000001%
chance be "averted" with enough "positive" thinking by Coast listeners.

First there was Nigel Cawler or someone who couldn't come up with the UFO
landing specifics, and Art got "impatient" and knocked him
off after the break in 1996. Follow up to the heady days with the Hale
Bopp
"companion" kept people awake with deathwatch pulses. Then
Art dumped the Reverse Speech guy. Courtney Brown was next. Later on it
was
the guy who lit "flares" in the nevada desert where an old lady in
a wheelchair had traveled there spending hundreds of dollars to see a UFO.

Finally, Noory couldn't stand it anymore. Night after night, he had to
have
the frauds sell their books and videos and make excuses for them.
And now he finally broke with "Wayne Greene" and the "vision-1979" man
tonight-morning. What a schmuck the vision man is saying 97% of
the world's population is going to die in Sept. (read 5.9+ billion people
wasted just like that). If vision-man cared so much for humanity
why doesn't he just offer his information free on his website? At least
put
up a pay-pal donation option like Hoaxland does now.

At least Hoaxland is entertaining. And he's quick on his feet especially
with the scientific stuff. Hoaxie should be a NASA administrator instead
of the lazybum desk pushers in charge of NASA now.

But all the other "end of the world" pushers of their video and books, I'd
say Noory continue and throw them all out if Art won't do it.

(10 million listeners. If only .01% scared ****less listeners bought into
the bunk, that's 1000 people who buy $20-$100 books or video tapes
making a hefty $20,000-$100,000 from 1 night of advertising! This must go
through every bull****ters mind who's lucky or glib enough to
get a guest spot on C2C. No wonder Noory has to reign it in finally. C2C
has
become whose the best bull****ter who can come up with the
best spiel and promote books/tapes so listeners can "learn more". C2C has
become the "Who wants to be a millionare" of the airwaves, or
any of thos "reality" shows which always feature a lame $100,000+ prize at
the end of the season.

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"Dave Holford" wrote in message
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Beerbarrel Boomer wrote:


Gernsback and Green have/had two things in common.
Both sold cleverly veiled bull**** which was *dressed up*
as valid future science to geeks, nerds and fools. Modern day
PT Barnum's who wrap their circus act in 5-point colored
paper. Noorey and Bell do the same thing by giving them
and their ilk an occasional microphone today. If they
were not in print media or broadcasting, they all most certanly
would be selling pre-owned automobiles someplace, or perhaps
partners with shady local politicians.


Aha, you've been reading his editorials, not his magazines.
That is the difference between entertainment and information.

Dave