In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On 21 Mar 2004 20:58:48 GMT, N2EY wrote:

That storm also involved damage that close roads and made simple things like
getting fuel for generators very difficult.

Was the "Piped" natural gas delivery interrupted? I'm a huge fan of
"piped gas" fueled gensets rather than stored propane, CNG, or diesel.

It's my understanding that the natural gas kept flowing. But that solution only
works if you are close enough to a gas main to make installation of a service
practical and affordable, and if the disasters encountered do not disrupt
service. In earthquake areas, for example, I doubt you'd ant to depend on
underground gas supply for emergencies. SNow and ice storms are a different
game.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

As long as the cell phones are avaialble, they are obviously the preferred
method because anyone so equipped can push 911 and report directly.

I think this may be the confusion here also. A cell phone is great for
localized small-scale problems. If everyone has one, then of course they
will be great for calling 911. An accident happens and likely the next
person ther will have a cell phone. One of the best reasons for having
one of the otherwise evil little devices.

AH, Mike, I see where you're going with this. And I agree!

As the scale of problems gets bigger, then they become of less use,
their usefulness being inversely proportional to the scale of the problem.

Eventually, the cellular concept falls apart because of the massive
support structure needed for the instruments use, and that often the
same disasters that make emergency comms necessary take out that
infrastucture.

Even if the infrastructure is largely intact, it can be overwhelmed by the
unexpected demand.

I recall the pictures from the wildfires in San Diego last year showing

people trying to use their cell phones without success. The look on many
faces was one of surprise that the things weren't working.

Because they'd never encountered that behavior before.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On 21 Mar 2004 20:58:48 GMT, N2EY wrote:

That storm also involved damage that close roads and made simple things like
getting fuel for generators very difficult.

Was the "Piped" natural gas delivery interrupted? I'm a huge fan of
"piped gas" fueled gensets rather than stored propane, CNG, or diesel.

It's my understanding that the natural gas kept flowing. But that solution only
works if you are close enough to a gas main to make installation of a service
practical and affordable, and if the disasters encountered do not disrupt
service. In earthquake areas, for example, I doubt you'd ant to depend on
underground gas supply for emergencies. SNow and ice storms are a different
game.

I don't live in an area which is prone to earthquakes. I weighed likely
scenarios and noted that in many emergencies, gasoline and diesel fuel
are the not always easily obtained. In some instances they are hoarded
and the prices can skyrocket. In a prolonged power outage, many station
have no power to pump the fuel.

My solution was to buy a 3.5 KW gasoline generator and to purchase a kit
to convert it to natural gas or propane operation. The generator is a
Craftsman with a Briggs and Stratton engine. The conversion kit was
only eighty dollars. It cost me another 30 dollars to purchase a high
pressure rubber hose with brass pipe fittings on each end to avoid
transmitting the vibration of the generator back to the house. This is
much cheaper than purchasing a generator specifically made for use with
natural gas.

A major factor in making my decision is that I pay nothing for natural
gas.

Dave K8MN

In article , says...
N2EY wrote:

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On 21 Mar 2004 20:58:48 GMT, N2EY wrote:

That storm also involved damage that close roads and made simple things like
getting fuel for generators very difficult.

Was the "Piped" natural gas delivery interrupted? I'm a huge fan of
"piped gas" fueled gensets rather than stored propane, CNG, or diesel.

It's my understanding that the natural gas kept flowing. But that solution only
works if you are close enough to a gas main to make installation of a service
practical and affordable, and if the disasters encountered do not disrupt
service. In earthquake areas, for example, I doubt you'd ant to depend on
underground gas supply for emergencies. SNow and ice storms are a different
game.

I don't live in an area which is prone to earthquakes. I weighed likely
scenarios and noted that in many emergencies, gasoline and diesel fuel
are the not always easily obtained. In some instances they are hoarded
and the prices can skyrocket. In a prolonged power outage, many station
have no power to pump the fuel.

My solution was to buy a 3.5 KW gasoline generator and to purchase a kit
to convert it to natural gas or propane operation. The generator is a
Craftsman with a Briggs and Stratton engine. The conversion kit was
only eighty dollars. It cost me another 30 dollars to purchase a high
pressure rubber hose with brass pipe fittings on each end to avoid
transmitting the vibration of the generator back to the house. This is
much cheaper than purchasing a generator specifically made for use with
natural gas.

A major factor in making my decision is that I pay nothing for natural
gas.

Dave K8MN

Aren't those 1/8th royalties great.

"Steven R. Adell - KF2TI" wrote:

In article , says...
N2EY wrote:

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On 21 Mar 2004 20:58:48 GMT, N2EY wrote:

That storm also involved damage that close roads and made simple things like
getting fuel for generators very difficult.

Was the "Piped" natural gas delivery interrupted? I'm a huge fan of
"piped gas" fueled gensets rather than stored propane, CNG, or diesel.

It's my understanding that the natural gas kept flowing. But that solution only
works if you are close enough to a gas main to make installation of a service
practical and affordable, and if the disasters encountered do not disrupt
service. In earthquake areas, for example, I doubt you'd ant to depend on
underground gas supply for emergencies. SNow and ice storms are a different
game.

I don't live in an area which is prone to earthquakes. I weighed likely
scenarios and noted that in many emergencies, gasoline and diesel fuel
are the not always easily obtained. In some instances they are hoarded
and the prices can skyrocket. In a prolonged power outage, many station
have no power to pump the fuel.

My solution was to buy a 3.5 KW gasoline generator and to purchase a kit
to convert it to natural gas or propane operation. The generator is a
Craftsman with a Briggs and Stratton engine. The conversion kit was
only eighty dollars. It cost me another 30 dollars to purchase a high
pressure rubber hose with brass pipe fittings on each end to avoid
transmitting the vibration of the generator back to the house. This is
much cheaper than purchasing a generator specifically made for use with
natural gas.

A major factor in making my decision is that I pay nothing for natural
gas.

Aren't those 1/8th royalties great.

Some folks took royalties and some took free gas, Steve. Whoever owned
this place way back, took the free gas though it has a limit of 300,000
cubic feet yearly. We heat the barn through the winter and still have
about 120,000 cubic feet left each year. The natural gas generator and
the greenhouse lean-to we're putting on the back of the barn will help
eat up some of that unused allotment.

Now if I could just find a natural gas compressor, I'd work on
converting the riding mower...

Dave K8MN

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: Dave Heil
Date: 3/22/2004 2:53 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Now if I could just find a natural gas compressor, I'd work on
converting the riding mower...

I know where you can find a natural gas disperser in Ohio, if you need
one, Dave...

nyuknyuknyuk....

73

Steve, K4YZ

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


As long as the cell phones are avaialble, they are obviously the preferred
method because anyone so equipped can push 911 and report directly.

I think this may be the confusion here also. A cell phone is great for
localized small-scale problems. If everyone has one, then of course they
will be great for calling 911. An accident happens and likely the next
person ther will have a cell phone. One of the best reasons for having
one of the otherwise evil little devices.


AH, Mike, I see where you're going with this. And I agree!

As the scale of problems gets bigger, then they become of less use,
their usefulness being inversely proportional to the scale of the problem.

Eventually, the cellular concept falls apart because of the massive
support structure needed for the instruments use, and that often the
same disasters that make emergency comms necessary take out that
infrastucture.


Even if the infrastructure is largely intact, it can be overwhelmed by the
unexpected demand.

Correct! Which makes it not a likely candidate for emergency services.
If it works to let people know you're still alive or need help or
whatever, of course you use it. But it is still very much a point to
point solution. Which is to say, not a solution for large scale disasters.




I recall the pictures from the wildfires in San Diego last year showing


people trying to use their cell phones without success. The look on many
faces was one of surprise that the things weren't working.


Because they'd never encountered that behavior before.

Indicative on not knowing how the little things work. No tower or
power, no cell.

- mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Even if the infrastructure is largely intact, it can be overwhelmed by the
unexpected demand.

Correct! Which makes it not a likely candidate for emergency services.
If it works to let people know you're still alive or need help or
whatever, of course you use it. But it is still very much a point to
point solution. Which is to say, not a solution for large scale disasters.

Or even for localized disasters in high density areas.
I recall the pictures from the wildfires in San Diego last year showing
people trying to use their cell phones without success. The look on many
faces was one of surprise that the things weren't working.

Because they'd never encountered that behavior before.

Indicative on not knowing how the little things work. No tower or
power, no cell.

Of course. It's also possible that the system was being overwhelmed. Doesn't
really matter, if something is unavailable, the cause doesn't matter too much
except as an an indicator of when service might return, and as a lesson in what
to do different next time.

The ignorance of things technical is nothing new, of course. In some ways,
industries promote technical ignorance by using new terms (like "wireless" and
"cordless" rather than "radio") which make the technology actually used less
than clear.

--

You might also enjoy this site:

http://www.fybush.com/site-021219.html

Interesting history of W2XMN, the past, present and future of a famous site.
Click on the links to see how far ignorance can go.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Even if the infrastructure is largely intact, it can be overwhelmed by the
unexpected demand.

Correct! Which makes it not a likely candidate for emergency services.
If it works to let people know you're still alive or need help or
whatever, of course you use it. But it is still very much a point to
point solution. Which is to say, not a solution for large scale disasters.


Or even for localized disasters in high density areas.

I recall the pictures from the wildfires in San Diego last year showing
people trying to use their cell phones without success. The look on many
faces was one of surprise that the things weren't working.



Because they'd never encountered that behavior before.


Indicative on not knowing how the little things work. No tower or
power, no cell.


Of course. It's also possible that the system was being overwhelmed. Doesn't
really matter, if something is unavailable, the cause doesn't matter too much
except as an an indicator of when service might return, and as a lesson in what
to do different next time.

The ignorance of things technical is nothing new, of course. In some ways,
industries promote technical ignorance by using new terms (like "wireless" and
"cordless" rather than "radio") which make the technology actually used less
than clear.

I sometimes wonder what these people "do" spend their time thinking about.

You might also enjoy this site:

http://www.fybush.com/site-021219.html

Interesting history of W2XMN, the past, present and future of a famous site.
Click on the links to see how far ignorance can go.

Cool! I just heard about the tower this past weekend, and here you come
along with a link to it Good timing, Jim. It's a little scary at first
sight, but a magnificent structure nonetheless.

As for the concerned residents of Alpine, they might want to chuck
their cell phones if they are so worried about RF exposure - though of
course I'm sure they never use them! 8^)

But frankly, they strike mer as being less than smart. And I do like
the term "McMansion"!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:


Even if the infrastructure is largely intact, it can be overwhelmed by the
unexpected demand.

Correct! Which makes it not a likely candidate for emergency services.
If it works to let people know you're still alive or need help or
whatever, of course you use it. But it is still very much a point to
point solution. Which is to say, not a solution for large scale disasters.


Or even for localized disasters in high density areas.

I recall the pictures from the wildfires in San Diego last year showing
people trying to use their cell phones without success. The look on many
faces was one of surprise that the things weren't working.



Because they'd never encountered that behavior before.


Indicative on not knowing how the little things work. No tower or
power, no cell.


Of course. It's also possible that the system was being overwhelmed.
Doesn't
really matter, if something is unavailable, the cause doesn't matter too
much
except as an an indicator of when service might return, and as a lesson in
what
to do different next time.

The ignorance of things technical is nothing new, of course. In some ways,
industries promote technical ignorance by using new terms (like "wireless"
and
"cordless" rather than "radio") which make the technology actually used
less
than clear.

I sometimes wonder what these people "do" spend their time thinking about.

Other things! Isn't modern life complex enough?

You might also enjoy this site:

http://www.fybush.com/site-021219.html

Interesting history of W2XMN, the past, present and future of a famous
site. Click on the links to see how far ignorance can go.

Cool! I just heard about the tower this past weekend, and here you come

along with a link to it Good timing, Jim.

bwaahaahaa

....ze barracuda knowz whean to sterike...

It's a little scary at first
sight, but a magnificent structure nonetheless.

I've seen it from a distance but never up close. It's on the list. (I've been
to W1AW and operated there. Also visited NIST in Boulder and the WWV/WWVB
transmitter site in Fort Collins.)

As for the concerned residents of Alpine, they might want to chuck
their cell phones if they are so worried about RF exposure - though of
course I'm sure they never use them! 8^)

"Inverse square law? What's that?"

But frankly, they strike mer as being less than smart.

Do not underestimate folks like that. Look at the BPL mess. Did you see the
Wall Street Journal article?

Remember that whenever someone describes ham radio as "a hobby", they are
giving the BPL folks an argument against us. If amateur radio is "just a
hobby", then why should it be any more important than anyone else's hobby, such
as downloading pr0n via BPL?

And I do like the term "McMansion"!

We have some of them around here. Big houses, big price, tossed up quickly by
cheap nonunion labor. CC&Rs out the ying-yang.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


some snippage


I sometimes wonder what these people "do" spend their time thinking about.


Other things! Isn't modern life complex enough?


True! like who's on "The Simple Life" tonight, or that insulting talent
search show - lotsa important stuff like that.

Modern life has always been complex enough, always has been and always
will be!


You might also enjoy this site:



http://www.fybush.com/site-021219.html

Interesting history of W2XMN, the past, present and future of a famous
site. Click on the links to see how far ignorance can go.

Cool! I just heard about the tower this past weekend, and here you come


along with a link to it Good timing, Jim.


bwaahaahaa

...ze barracuda knowz whean to sterike...


It's a little scary at first
sight, but a magnificent structure nonetheless.


I've seen it from a distance but never up close. It's on the list. (I've been
to W1AW and operated there. Also visited NIST in Boulder and the WWV/WWVB
transmitter site in Fort Collins.)

As for the concerned residents of Alpine, they might want to chuck
their cell phones if they are so worried about RF exposure - though of
course I'm sure they never use them! 8^)


"Inverse square law? What's that?"


But frankly, they strike mer as being less than smart.

hehe, nothing like me talking about people being stupid and making my
own typo in the sentence!!! 8^)




Do not underestimate folks like that. Look at the BPL mess. Did you see the
Wall Street Journal article?


No I didn't.

Education and intelligence does not make a person smart. I always
thought that one of the things that makes for smart decisions is to be
able to extrapolate consequences.


Remember that whenever someone describes ham radio as "a hobby", they are
giving the BPL folks an argument against us. If amateur radio is "just a
hobby", then why should it be any more important than anyone else's hobby, such
as downloading pr0n via BPL?


And I do like the term "McMansion"!


We have some of them around here. Big houses, big price, tossed up quickly by
cheap nonunion labor. CC&Rs out the ying-yang.


The average mobile home has better construction methods, and often
better hardware, cabinets, etc. than those conspicuous consumption hovels.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Lennie the Loser is trying to argue a point Jim's making that
actually echoes some of HIS sentiments...

How perculiar.

Perambulate your personal perspective, but don't pester us
particularly with poorly percolated petty pesterings promoted as
a perspicatious presentation when it is really perseverance of
persiflage. Ptui.

"Perculiar" indeed.

My typo notwithstanding, the questions remain:

What "MAJOR" role do the "unlicensed" services play in "emergency
comms?

Is being insulting, rude, obnoxious, and resorting to toilet humor
considerd "civil amateur behavior?" Certainly not, yet you seem
to do nothing else in here.

What "MAJOR" role do the "unlicensed" services play in "emergency
comms"?

Continued delaying tactics and obfuscation are admissions of lying.

None. Quit trying to assume a "command" role. You don't have the
authority.

There's no "command" role here, Lennie.

Your boy has made assertions of fact in a public forum.

He can't/won't corroborate them.

Neither do you have the details of When and Where for your supposed
"hostile actions" while in the military.

What I did in the military is not pertinent here. This is a forum about
Amateur Radio communications.

Get mental health help.

After you, Lennie...

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

The ONLY "unlicensed" devices in the facility were two cordless
phones, both of which were part of unsecure phone lines.

"Unsecure?!?" You saw KY-98s in that facility? KY-57s?

Did I say that, Lennie?

I ASKED that. Do you know what they are? I don't think so.

Yes, Lennie...I am very familiar with crypto gear.

Hint: It has nothing to do with KY jelly.

Why would you be thinking of KY jelly, Lennie? Gonna have breakfast at the
stables?

Playing war games were you?

Nope. Participating in one of those drills you seem to think no
one needs to participate in.

I'm a strong advocate of emergency preparedness drilling, training,
planning. Said so in here before, say so still.

Why do you LIE about what I've written and is on archive at Google?

YOU just stated a few days ago that Californians did not need to practice
since you have "the real thing", Lennie. Shall I recover THAT quote and rub
your nose in it...?!?!

I am wondering, Brain, is THAT what YOU call a "MAJOR
ROLE"...?!?!

Putz.

Yup, rude and obnoxious, comes unglued on the slightest
disagreement. Well, at least that is consistent with previous
behavior of yours.

And you're still a putz and Brain Burke has still not answered a
simple question in repsonse to assertions HE made...

Sorry, your personal insult manner just wastes everyone's time
and does not change anything or anyone's opinion of yourself.

I could care less about anyone's opinion of me, Lennie.

Like me or not, facts are facts, and I have not overtly (or covertly)
tried to misrepresent the character of Amateur Radio in a public forum, such as
yourself.

You are NOT any authority who can demand answers from anyone.

I "demand" no more or no less that YOU "demand" from anyone, Lennie.

YOU have BLATANTLY "demanded" information from Jim Miccolis, Dave Heil,
myself and otehrs in this forum, so I'd be real careful about climbing up on
THAT "hollier-than-thou pedestle, Oh Putzy One.

I will remind everyone that YOU have not supplied ANY details on
your claims of "being in hostile actions" while in the military. NO
details as to When or Where...after many months since that first
claim and thousands of personal insults leveled against others.

And having even brought it up in the heat of our "exchanges" was an error
on my part. It has no pertinence in this forum. I allowed myself to sink to
your level. My bad.

Not only are you rude, obnoxious, a name-caller, an insulter, but
you are also a lying bull****ter, making claims YOU can't
substantiate.

Ahhhh...more profanity. Didn't take long, did it, Lennie?

As for the "name-caller" and "insulter", I'd guess you have a very
personal inside view on that regard, don't you?

Get some mental health help.

Why?

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/23/2004 9:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

I recall the pictures from the wildfires in San Diego last year showing
people trying to use their cell phones without success. The look on many
faces was one of surprise that the things weren't working.

I was IN some of those San Diego wildfire areas and didn't "see"
what you saw. Also using a cell phone. It worked fine.

Now tell us all what amateur radio really DID do there that couldn't
be done by the regular telephone infrastructure. Be specific. Try
to avoid subjective "interpretation."

What interpretation is needed?

Even the press stated that cellphone coverage was lost in many areas.

And what were you doing in a wildfire area, Lennie?

Playing with matches?

Steve, K4YZ

On 23 Mar 2004 16:58:44 GMT, N2EY wrote:

And I do like the term "McMansion"!

We have some of them around here. Big houses, big price, tossed up quickly by
cheap nonunion labor. CC&Rs out the ying-yang.

We call them "tract mansions"...... ggg

We have a half-dozen of them going up near here in an area that was
last developed twenty years ago. Just for yah-yahs I'm going to
check out the CC&Rs after they are open for sale.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

JJ wrote in message ...

There now you go, upsetting all the anti-ham crowd who can't manage to
get a license,

Brave words from a guy w/o a license.

Wee Willie Winky wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...


There now you go, upsetting all the anti-ham crowd who can't manage to
get a license,


Brave words from a guy w/o a license.

Sorry to dissappoint you willieboy, but I have an advanced. Took my exam
in front of an FCC examiner.

JJ wrote in message ...
Wee Willie Winky wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...


There now you go, upsetting all the anti-ham crowd who can't manage to
get a license,


Brave words from a guy w/o a license.

Sorry to dissappoint you willieboy, but I have an advanced. Took my exam
in front of an FCC examiner.

Sorry to disappoint you, JJ, but in the absence of a verifiable call
sign your claims just cannot be believed.

The rule around here is "proof." The alternative to proof is called
"lying."

Not my rules, but that's how this is played. Best of Luck.

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (William)
Date: 3/27/2004 9:46 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

JJ wrote in message
...
Wee Willie Winky wrote:
JJ wrote in message
...


There now you go, upsetting all the anti-ham crowd who can't manage to
get a license,


Brave words from a guy w/o a license.

Sorry to dissappoint you willieboy, but I have an advanced. Took my exam
in front of an FCC examiner.

Sorry to disappoint you, JJ, but in the absence of a verifiable call
sign your claims just cannot be believed.

The rule around here is "proof." The alternative to proof is called
"lying."

Not my rules, but that's how this is played. Best of Luck.

There's no "rules" here, Brain.

You simply made an assertion which was, on the face of it, false.

It was obvious to anyone who is actually INVOLVED in ANY aspect of
"emergency comms", but since you've made a point of trying to claim you DIDN'T
say it when in fact you did, well, I justr could't pass up the opportunity to
rub your nose in it.

The end result is that you've stretched out a personally embarrassing
whomping that you could have ended almost as soon as you started it by just
adding "in my opinion",.

Of course you could have provided us some sort of reference that actually
validated your assertion, but you and I both know that THAT wasn't possible.

So...here we are, two weeks later, and you've made a complete and utter
fool of yourself trying to squeeze out from under the rock that you got
yourself under.

And for what?

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

Wee Willie Winky wrote:

JJ wrote in message ...



There now you go, upsetting all the anti-ham crowd who can't manage to
get a license,


Brave words from a guy w/o a license.

Sorry to dissappoint you willieboy, but I have an advanced. Took my exam
in front of an FCC examiner.


Sorry to disappoint you, JJ, but in the absence of a verifiable call
sign your claims just cannot be believed.

The rule around here is "proof." The alternative to proof is called
"lying."

Not my rules, but that's how this is played. Best of Luck.

And your call is?

JJ wrote in message ...

And your call is?

Are you that stoopid?

You first. Hihi

William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

And your call is?


Are you that stoopid?

You first. Hihi

And you wrote: Sorry to disappoint you, JJ, but in the absence of a
verifiable call
sign your claims just cannot be believed.

So in the absence of a verifiable call sign (yours) your claims just
cannot be believed.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

There's no "rules" here, Brain.

Actually, Steve, you couldn't be more wrong.

There are two sets of rules.

Give a man an inch and he thinks he's a ruler... :-)

LHA / WMD

In article , JJ
writes:

William wrote:
JJ wrote in message
...

And your call is?

Are you that stoopid?

You first. Hihi

And you wrote: Sorry to disappoint you, JJ, but in the absence of a
verifiable call
sign your claims just cannot be believed.

So in the absence of a verifiable call sign (yours) your claims just
cannot be believed.

Hello? What does "N-ZERO-IMD" look like written out?

Hint: N0IMD. November Zero India Mama Delta

Brian Burke. Check it out on QRZ.com.

Brian been here for a while...good ham, independent thinker.

You thoudn't be thuch a thinker.

Plank

LHA / WMD

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/27/2004 11:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , JJ

writes:

So in the absence of a verifiable call sign (yours) your claims just
cannot be believed.

Hello? What does "N-ZERO-IMD" look like written out?

Hint: N0IMD. November Zero India Mama Delta

Brian Burke. Check it out on QRZ.com.

Brian been here for a while...good ham, independent thinker.

I wonder, Lennie...In as much as you are not a licensee, HOW were you able
to ascertain that Brain is a "good ham"...?!?!

The only way to know for sure is to "work" him on the air.

And based upon his avowed "padawan" status to you and his obvious
inability to tell the truth, I'd be reeeeeeeeeeeal shy about stating how
"independent" a "thinker" he is. So far he's got the Lennie-the-Liar program
down to a science.

You thoudn't be thuch a thinker.

Let's change one or two letters and see if we can come up with one about
LENNIE.....

You (s)houldn't be (s)uch a (s)tinker.

Yep! It worked!

Steve, K4YZ

JJ wrote in message ...
William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

And your call is?


Are you that stoopid?

You first. Hihi

And you wrote: Sorry to disappoint you, JJ, but in the absence of a
verifiable call
sign your claims just cannot be believed.

So in the absence of a verifiable call sign (yours) your claims just
cannot be believed.

Nope. You first.

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (William)
Date: 3/28/2004 3:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/27/2004 11:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I wonder, Lennie...In as much as you are not a licensee, HOW were you
able
to ascertain that Brain is a "good ham"...?!?!

Hiram was not my father. My fambly tree has branches.

I am sure your "fambly" is very proud, too.

But that didn't answer my question, Brain.

Without an Amateur Radio license with which to communicatre with you while
operating AS a HAM, how can Lennie make an informed opinion as to whether or
not you are a "good ham"...?!?!

Do YOU understand the question, Brain? Or do you want to dance around
this one for a few days, too?

At least this time there's nothing for you to try and deny. You can just
snort and claim I am "nuts" while hoping it "goes away" without rubbing your
nose in it any more....

Steve, K4YZ

Len Over 21 wrote:




Hello? What does "N-ZERO-IMD" look like written out?

Hint: N0IMD. November Zero India Mama Delta

Brian Burke. Check it out on QRZ.com.

Brian been here for a while...good ham, independent thinker.

You thoudn't be thuch a thinker.

Plank

LHA / WMD



Hello? So why does he use the name William? Why not his real name if
that is who he is? I don't know that William is Brian Burke or
billybeeper or whatever other name he may post under, why should I place
any stock in what he claims if he has to use so many names?
He uses an id of juno.com, yet he is posting from google, that dosen't
sound like one can put much stock in anything he says.
So what's your call lennyboy? Oh, forgot, you can't pass the test so
here you are a non-ham who has no credibility on a ham group.

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: JJ
Date: 3/28/2004 6:21 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:




Hello? What does "N-ZERO-IMD" look like written out?

Hint: N0IMD. November Zero India Mama Delta

Brian Burke. Check it out on QRZ.com.

Brian been here for a while...good ham, independent thinker.

You thoudn't be thuch a thinker.


Hello? So why does he use the name William? Why not his real name if
that is who he is? I don't know that William is Brian Burke or
billybeeper or whatever other name he may post under, why should I place
any stock in what he claims if he has to use so many names?
He uses an id of juno.com, yet he is posting from google, that dosen't
sound like one can put much stock in anything he says.
So what's your call lennyboy? Oh, forgot, you can't pass the test so
here you are a non-ham who has no credibility on a ham group.

Brain claims it's just to deter spam.

He could just use a spam filter or a "...remove NOSPAM from e mail" type
block, but he has to create some new personna to "hide" from the spam.

Yeah...right.

What he DID was create "billybeeper" to artificially create a Lennie
fan...yet got a bit too proud of himself one day and signed his real "name" to
the end of the post....BUSTED!

Oh well.....

Steve, K4YZ

JJ wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:




Hello? What does "N-ZERO-IMD" look like written out?

Hint: N0IMD. November Zero India Mama Delta

Brian Burke. Check it out on QRZ.com.

Brian been here for a while...good ham, independent thinker.

You thoudn't be thuch a thinker.

Plank

LHA / WMD



Hello? So why does he use the name William? Why not his real name if
that is who he is? I don't know that William is Brian Burke or
billybeeper or whatever other name he may post under, why should I place
any stock in what he claims if he has to use so many names?
He uses an id of juno.com, yet he is posting from google, that dosen't
sound like one can put much stock in anything he says.
So what's your call lennyboy? Oh, forgot, you can't pass the test so
here you are a non-ham who has no credibility on a ham group.

So JJ doesn't have a name or a callsign?

No credibility.

In article ,
(William) writes:

JJ wrote in message
...
Len Over 21 wrote:

Hello? What does "N-ZERO-IMD" look like written out?

Hint: N0IMD. November Zero India Mama Delta

Brian Burke. Check it out on QRZ.com.

Brian been here for a while...good ham, independent thinker.

You thoudn't be thuch a thinker.

Plank

LHA / WMD

Hello? So why does he use the name William? Why not his real name if
that is who he is? I don't know that William is Brian Burke or
billybeeper or whatever other name he may post under, why should I place
any stock in what he claims if he has to use so many names?
He uses an id of juno.com, yet he is posting from google, that dosen't
sound like one can put much stock in anything he says.
So what's your call lennyboy? Oh, forgot, you can't pass the test so
here you are a non-ham who has no credibility on a ham group.

So JJ doesn't have a name or a callsign?

No credibility.

All he is is the equivalent of heavy breathing at the other end of
an obscene phone call.

Maybe it's just some AI program? Lots of Artificiality in that
"Intelligence"... :-)

LHA / WMD

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (William)
Date: 3/29/2004 7:20 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (William)
Date: 3/28/2004 3:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 3/27/2004 11:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

At least this time there's nothing for you to try and deny. You can
just
snort and claim I am "nuts" while hoping it "goes away" without rubbing
your
nose in it any more....

You are nuts.

And you're still a liar...and you STILL ahven't answered the question.

Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:
JJ wrote in message ...

Len Over 21 wrote:




Hello? What does "N-ZERO-IMD" look like written out?

Hint: N0IMD. November Zero India Mama Delta

Brian Burke. Check it out on QRZ.com.

Brian been here for a while...good ham, independent thinker.

You thoudn't be thuch a thinker.

Plank

LHA / WMD



Hello? So why does he use the name William? Why not his real name if
that is who he is? I don't know that William is Brian Burke or
billybeeper or whatever other name he may post under, why should I place
any stock in what he claims if he has to use so many names?
He uses an id of juno.com, yet he is posting from google, that dosen't
sound like one can put much stock in anything he says.
So what's your call lennyboy? Oh, forgot, you can't pass the test so
here you are a non-ham who has no credibility on a ham group.


So JJ doesn't have a name or a callsign?

No credibility.

Every one who knows me call me JJ, I do have a callsign, on the other
hand you go by several names here and not being sure of just who you
really are, you probably don't have a call sign.

No, none, nada, credibility.