In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On 23 Mar 2004 16:58:44 GMT, N2EY wrote:

And I do like the term "McMansion"!

We have some of them around here. Big houses, big price, tossed up quickly
by
cheap nonunion labor. CC&Rs out the ying-yang.

We call them "tract mansions"...... ggg

HAW!

We have a half-dozen of them going up near here in an area that was
last developed twenty years ago. Just for yah-yahs I'm going to
check out the CC&Rs after they are open for sale.

Probably don't allow you to have a pair of rabbit ears on the TV set.

What I find most intriguing is that the tower was there long before the
McMansions were built, so the builders and the buyers were not surprised. Now
they're all upset. Just like when the Blue Route was finally built here in the
Philadelphia area.

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:


On 23 Mar 2004 16:58:44 GMT, N2EY wrote:


And I do like the term "McMansion"!


We have some of them around here. Big houses, big price, tossed up quickly

by

cheap nonunion labor. CC&Rs out the ying-yang.

We call them "tract mansions"...... ggg


HAW!

We have a half-dozen of them going up near here in an area that was
last developed twenty years ago. Just for yah-yahs I'm going to
check out the CC&Rs after they are open for sale.


Probably don't allow you to have a pair of rabbit ears on the TV set.

What I find most intriguing is that the tower was there long before the
McMansions were built, so the builders and the buyers were not surprised. Now
they're all upset. Just like when the Blue Route was finally built here in the
Philadelphia area.

Not uncommon at all, Jim. In my area, we have farmers that hve sold off
land for development, after which the people that moved into the
development sued to shut the farmer down because of the noxious smells
emanating from the farm.

I don't blame it entirely on the people suing, the farmer had to be
pretty stupid to not know that "development people don't like nature
very much.......

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:


On 23 Mar 2004 16:58:44 GMT, N2EY wrote:


And I do like the term "McMansion"!


We have some of them around here. Big houses, big price, tossed up quickly

by

cheap nonunion labor. CC&Rs out the ying-yang.

We call them "tract mansions"...... ggg


HAW!

We have a half-dozen of them going up near here in an area that was
last developed twenty years ago. Just for yah-yahs I'm going to
check out the CC&Rs after they are open for sale.


Probably don't allow you to have a pair of rabbit ears on the TV set.

What I find most intriguing is that the tower was there long before the
McMansions were built, so the builders and the buyers were not surprised.
Now
they're all upset. Just like when the Blue Route was finally built here in
the
Philadelphia area.

Not uncommon at all, Jim. In my area, we have farmers that hve sold off

land for development, after which the people that moved into the
development sued to shut the farmer down because of the noxious smells
emanating from the farm.

Now that's dumb!

I don't blame it entirely on the people suing, the farmer had to be
pretty stupid to not know that "development people don't like nature
very much.......

How would the farmer know?

This past Wednesday, I was in Lancaster County, PA. Amish/Mennonite country,
although development is pushing many of the Old Order out. We stopped at the
Wawa at the intersection of 30 and 896. In three directions there were outlet
malls and retail stores. In the fourth direction was a working farm, and a
farmer with a team of 6 horses cultivating. The smell was definitely rural but
not unpleasant.


73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(William) writes:

JJ just leetle feesh in leetle pond. Got chased out of CB, so trying
to make splash here. Say he speak for SecDEF and DirFEMA. I say he
whacko.

No call = No ham

No JJ = No loss

LHA / WMD

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 4/3/2004 9:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

What I find most intriguing is that the tower was there long before the
McMansions were built, so the builders and the buyers were not surprised.
Now
they're all upset. Just like when the Blue Route was finally built here in
the
Philadelphia area.

Not uncommon at all, Jim. In my area, we have farmers that hve sold off

land for development, after which the people that moved into the
development sued to shut the farmer down because of the noxious smells
emanating from the farm.

Now that's dumb!

Even dumber...

It's now moot...but when I was at El Toro/Tustin in the 80's we'd routinely
get phone calls at the abse complaining about the "[expletive] jet noise"...

I don't know how the one call got routed to the AeroClub this one Saturday
morning, but the guy was P.O.ed that an A6 Intruder just flew by his new condo.

I asked him to give me his location so I could pass the info to Base
Ops...Turns out he bout a condo for a quarter mill only 350 YARDS from the
right-of-way corridor to the 34 duals at El Toro.

I asked him if he hadn't noticed all the jet traffic when he bought the
place and he said no.

I told him that my pick-up truck, which cost less than a tenth of what he
paid for his condo, had features on it I didn't care for, but I didn't fuss
about them because I KNEW what I was buying before I signed on the dotted line!


I also pointed out that the base had been here since 1942 and flying jets
since 1949. His condo was still dripping wet pain off the ceiling.

That's when I hung up on him.

I don't blame it entirely on the people suing, the farmer had to be
pretty stupid to not know that "development people don't like nature
very much.......

How would the farmer know?

This past Wednesday, I was in Lancaster County, PA. Amish/Mennonite country,
although development is pushing many of the Old Order out. We stopped at the
Wawa at the intersection of 30 and 896. In three directions there were outlet
malls and retail stores. In the fourth direction was a working farm, and a
farmer with a team of 6 horses cultivating. The smell was definitely rural
but not unpleasant.

Nothing like fresh tilled earth....But it's the freshly fertilized earth
(courtesy of the team of horses!) that set it apart!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 4/3/2004 9:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


What I find most intriguing is that the tower was there long before the
McMansions were built, so the builders and the buyers were not surprised.

Now

they're all upset. Just like when the Blue Route was finally built here in

the

Philadelphia area.

Not uncommon at all, Jim. In my area, we have farmers that hve sold off

land for development, after which the people that moved into the
development sued to shut the farmer down because of the noxious smells
emanating from the farm.

Now that's dumb!


Even dumber...

It's now moot...but when I was at El Toro/Tustin in the 80's we'd routinely
get phone calls at the abse complaining about the "[expletive] jet noise"...

I don't know how the one call got routed to the AeroClub this one Saturday
morning, but the guy was P.O.ed that an A6 Intruder just flew by his new condo.

I asked him to give me his location so I could pass the info to Base
Ops...Turns out he bout a condo for a quarter mill only 350 YARDS from the
right-of-way corridor to the 34 duals at El Toro.

I asked him if he hadn't noticed all the jet traffic when he bought the
place and he said no.

He probably didn't! So many people manage to go through life with
amazingly little interface with the outside world. It's like I ask -
what do they spend all their time thinking about, if they are thinking
about anything.

One of the best education's I ever got was from a teacher in high
school that showed us exercises to increase our observational skills.


I told him that my pick-up truck, which cost less than a tenth of what he
paid for his condo, had features on it I didn't care for, but I didn't fuss
about them because I KNEW what I was buying before I signed on the dotted line!


I also pointed out that the base had been here since 1942 and flying jets
since 1949. His condo was still dripping wet pain off the ceiling.

That's when I hung up on him.


I don't blame it entirely on the people suing, the farmer had to be
pretty stupid to not know that "development people don't like nature
very much.......


How would the farmer know?

This past Wednesday, I was in Lancaster County, PA. Amish/Mennonite country,
although development is pushing many of the Old Order out. We stopped at the
Wawa at the intersection of 30 and 896. In three directions there were outlet
malls and retail stores. In the fourth direction was a working farm, and a
farmer with a team of 6 horses cultivating. The smell was definitely rural
but not unpleasant.


Nothing like fresh tilled earth....But it's the freshly fertilized earth
(courtesy of the team of horses!) that set it apart!

It's all okay, except for the pig manure! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

I sometimes wonder what these people "do" spend their time thinking about.

Other things! Isn't modern life complex enough?

True! like who's on "The Simple Life" tonight, or that insulting talent
search show - lotsa important stuff like that.

Exactly.

Modern life has always been complex enough, always has been and always
will be!

The question is whether the complexity makes life better or worse. Here's an
example:

Suppose a person goes for a job interview and things go well. Usually the next
step for the interviewee is to send a thank you letter to the interviewer.
Pretty simple task, right? And it hasn't changed much for decades.

Many years ago, a handwritten letter would be appropriate. You had to know how
to write legibly. And you needed pen, ink, and paper.

Then came typewriters, and for such business correspondence a typewritten
letter was standard practice. You had to know how to type, even hunt-and-peck
style. But typewriting did not replace writing legibly. You needed a typewriter
and paper, which was more of an investment than pen and ink, but a typewriter
lasts a very long time.

Then came personal computing, word processing, and printers. And the standard
for the thank you business letter went up another notch, as did the necessary
equipment to do the job. And the learning curve to use it all. Plus the PC did
not eliminate the need to write legibly or type.

And the equipment's life cycle is much shorter - remember daisy-wheel printers?
dot-matrix printers? fanfold paper with holes in the side? How many different
computers, peripherals and software packages have come and gone in the past,
say, 20 years?

Yet the basic function remains the same: Send a thank you letter. But now we
need all this equipment.

Of course a PC is far more than just a word processor, but you see the point.

You might also enjoy this site:

http://www.fybush.com/site-021219.html

Interesting history of W2XMN, the past, present and future of a famous
site. Click on the links to see how far ignorance can go.

Cool! I just heard about the tower this past weekend, and here you come
along with a link to it Good timing, Jim.

bwaahaahaa

...ze barracuda knowz whean to sterike...

It's a little scary at first
sight, but a magnificent structure nonetheless.

I've seen it from a distance but never up close. It's on the list. (I've
been
to W1AW and operated there. Also visited NIST in Boulder and the
WWV/WWVB transmitter site in Fort Collins.)

As for the concerned residents of Alpine, they might want to chuck
their cell phones if they are so worried about RF exposure - though of
course I'm sure they never use them! 8^)

"Inverse square law? What's that?"

But frankly, they strike mer as being less than smart.

hehe, nothing like me talking about people being stupid and making my
own typo in the sentence!!! 8^)

HAW!

Do not underestimate folks like that. Look at the BPL mess. Did you see the
Wall Street Journal article?

No I didn't.

It was reprinted here. Might be a link on the ARRL website.

Education and intelligence does not make a person smart. I always
thought that one of the things that makes for smart decisions is to be
able to extrapolate consequences.

That's one definition.

Remember that whenever someone describes ham radio as "a hobby", they are
giving the BPL folks an argument against us. If amateur radio is "just a
hobby", then why should it be any more important than anyone else's hobby,
such as downloading pr0n via BPL?

And I do like the term "McMansion"!

We have some of them around here. Big houses, big price, tossed up quickly
by cheap nonunion labor. CC&Rs out the ying-yang.

The average mobile home has better construction methods, and often
better hardware, cabinets, etc. than those conspicuous consumption hovels.

You mean "manufactured housing", I think. And I agree.

Of course there *is* quality construction going on, but it's not cheap.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Why Can't N-ZERO-IMD Validate His Own Claims...?!?!
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 4/3/2004 9:32 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

What I find most intriguing is that the tower was there long before the
McMansions were built, so the builders and the buyers were not surprised.
Now
they're all upset. Just like when the Blue Route was finally built here
in the Philadelphia area.

Not uncommon at all, Jim. In my area, we have farmers that hve sold off
land for development, after which the people that moved into the
development sued to shut the farmer down because of the noxious smells
emanating from the farm.

Now that's dumb!

Even dumber...

It's now moot...but when I was at El Toro/Tustin in the 80's we'd
routinely
get phone calls at the abse complaining about the "[expletive] jet noise"...

I don't know how the one call got routed to the AeroClub this one
Saturday
morning, but the guy was P.O.ed that an A6 Intruder just flew by his new
condo.

I asked him to give me his location so I could pass the info to Base
Ops...Turns out he bout a condo for a quarter mill only 350 YARDS from the
right-of-way corridor to the 34 duals at El Toro.

oh dear...

I asked him if he hadn't noticed all the jet traffic when he bought the
place and he said no.

I told him that my pick-up truck, which cost less than a tenth of what he
paid for his condo, had features on it I didn't care for, but I didn't fuss
about them because I KNEW what I was buying before I signed on the dotted
line!

Well there you have it.

I also pointed out that the base had been here since 1942 and flying
jets since 1949. His condo was still dripping wet pain off the ceiling.

That's when I hung up on him.

Not nice!

I don't blame it entirely on the people suing, the farmer had to be
pretty stupid to not know that "development people don't like nature
very much.......

How would the farmer know?

This past Wednesday, I was in Lancaster County, PA. Amish/Mennonite
country,
although development is pushing many of the Old Order out. We stopped at the
Wawa at the intersection of 30 and 896. In three directions there were
outlet
malls and retail stores. In the fourth direction was a working farm, and a
farmer with a team of 6 horses cultivating. The smell was definitely rural
but not unpleasant.

Nothing like fresh tilled earth....But it's the freshly fertilized earth
(courtesy of the team of horses!) that set it apart!

Yep. Not a bad smell, either, and it won't hurt you.

Some would criticize the farmer using horses. But a tractor won't make little
tractors to replace itself when it's worn out. Most farmers cannot yet grow
tractor fuel (although biodiesel may change that) and tractor exhaust isn't
good for the field.

73 de Jim, N2EY