"Jason Hsu" wrote in message
om...

| Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose
| automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now
| that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part
| of the proposal.

People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all
existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That
suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box.
Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI
members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie.

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...

People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all
existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That
suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box.
Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI
members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie.

Where did you read that No-Code International supports the ARRL
proposal? NCI already submitted a petition, and this petition only
advocated the elimination of the Morse Code test requirement. NCI's
mission is to eliminate this requirement all around the world. It
would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
Technicians to General.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

"Jason Hsu" wrote in message
om...
It
would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
Technicians to General.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

It could be construed as a "natural progression." After all, when you get
right down to it, it's actually about a reduction of effort...the degree of
which is subjective.

73 de Bert
WA2SI

"Jason Hsu" wrote

| Where did you read that No-Code International supports the ARRL
| proposal? NCI already submitted a petition, and this petition only
| advocated the elimination of the Morse Code test requirement. NCI's
| mission is to eliminate this requirement all around the world. It
| would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
| Technicians to General.

Here is an excerpt from a message sent to NCI members:

"Almost two months ago we asked for your input on
the major aspects of the ARRL petition (RM-10867)
for amateur license restructuring. You are one of
the 800+ members who participated in the survey.
We thank you for your valued input! The response
was overwhelming as to desiring NCI to support
all the points in the ARRL petition, except, of
course, any continued code testing."

As I read it, that means that NCI is on record as supporting...

.... the ARRL proposal for a new Novice license.

.... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Technicians to General

.... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Advanceds to Extra

.... the ARRL proposal to end code testing for General

.... the ARRL proposal for re-farming of the old Novice bands.

In other words, "Let the Great Giveaway Begin".

73, de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:

"Jason Hsu" wrote

| Where did you read that No-Code International supports the ARRL
| proposal? NCI already submitted a petition, and this petition only
| advocated the elimination of the Morse Code test requirement. NCI's
| mission is to eliminate this requirement all around the world. It
| would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
| Technicians to General.

Here is an excerpt from a message sent to NCI members:

"Almost two months ago we asked for your input on
the major aspects of the ARRL petition (RM-10867)
for amateur license restructuring. You are one of
the 800+ members who participated in the survey.
We thank you for your valued input! The response
was overwhelming as to desiring NCI to support
all the points in the ARRL petition, except, of
course, any continued code testing."

As I read it, that means that NCI is on record as supporting...

... the ARRL proposal for a new Novice license.

... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Technicians to General

... the ARRL proposal to immediately upgrade all Advanceds to Extra

... the ARRL proposal to end code testing for General

... the ARRL proposal for re-farming of the old Novice bands.

In other words, "Let the Great Giveaway Begin".


In other words, you can take NCI's previous positions like all they want
to do is elimninate the code test, nothing else and chuck that, eh?
Who'd a thunk it?

Aren't you a member of NCI, Hans?

Heheheheheh.

only the code test, only the code test, only the code
test.....................

"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| Aren't you a member of NCI, Hans?
|
| Heheheheheh.
|

Aren't you a member of ARRL, Mike? (Which first proposed this "Grand
Giveaway")

Heheheheheh.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

KØHB wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| Aren't you a member of NCI, Hans?
|
| Heheheheheh.
|

Aren't you a member of ARRL, Mike? (Which first proposed this "Grand
Giveaway")

Heheheheheh.


Yes, I am a member of ARRL. But last time I checked, if you don't toe
the party line in NCI, you aren't allowed in NCI.

And that my friend, is no laughing matter.


ARRL appears to tolerate disagreement.


- mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote

|
| But last time I checked, if you don't toe
| the party line in NCI, you aren't allowed in NCI.
|
| And that my friend, is no laughing matter.
|

Sunuvagun, you seem to be wrong again. I have VIOLENTLY disagreed with
NCI on the notion of free Tech-to-General upgrades, both here in public
and in private email with the directors. Since they haven't
excommunicated me, I guess that the laugh is on you, my friend.

Heheheheheh! (Or is it BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!)

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

(Jason Hsu) wrote in message . com...
"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...

People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all
existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That
suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box.
Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI
members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie.

Where did you read that No-Code International supports the ARRL
proposal? NCI already submitted a petition, and this petition only
advocated the elimination of the Morse Code test requirement. NCI's
mission is to eliminate this requirement all around the world. It
would not be appropriate for NCI to advocate automatically upgrading
Technicians to General.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG

Similarly, it is not appropriate for FISTS to comment on anything
other than Morse Code. So why do they do it? Why aren't you
addressing this injustice?

(William) wrote in message . com...

Similarly, it is not appropriate for FISTS to comment on anything
other than Morse Code. So why do they do it? Why aren't you
addressing this injustice?

I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code testing.
The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING Morse Code,
not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The leaders should have
either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse Code
requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of themselves instead
of on behalf of FISTS.

Jason Hsu, AG4DG