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![]() Similarly, it is not appropriate for FISTS to comment on anything other than Morse Code. So why do they do it? Why aren't you addressing this injustice? I agree. FISTS has a hard-line stance in favor of Morse Code testing. The organization is supposed to be dedicated to OPERATING Morse Code, not keeping the Morse Code requirement. The leaders should have either started a new organization dedicated to defending Morse Code requirements or simply filed petitions on behalf of themselves instead of on behalf of FISTS. Jason Hsu, AG4DG Why isn't NCI .......NCTI ....... Should have testing in there as I have read repeatedly that the group is only against testing ...... Oh well Back on 40 CW .... 73 KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa. |
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In article . net, "KØHB"
writes: "Jason Hsu" wrote in message . com... | Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose | automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now | that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part | of the proposal. People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box. Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie. Thank you for that fair and equitable objective viewpoint, seasoned old sea salt. What's the percentage of the ARRL membership that are Techs compared to other classes? Remember that the no-code-test Tech license is over a third of ALL amateur licensees in the US. ARRL membership was down to 21% of all US ham licensees in December. Down from July and that down from December a year before. See any connections there? :-) LHA / WMD |
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![]() "Len Over 21" wrote | | Thank you for that fair and equitable objective viewpoint, | seasoned old sea salt. | My viewpoint makes no effort to be "fair and equitable" whatever the phuck that is. My viewpoints are reasoned, honest, and forthright. If you can't tolerate honesty, then get out of the kitchen. With all kind wishes, de Hans, K0HB |
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Subject: Why are so many defending the proposed automatic upgrade from
Tech to Gener From: "KØHB" Date: 4/15/2004 3:23 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: .net "Len Over 21" wrote | | Thank you for that fair and equitable objective viewpoint, | seasoned old sea salt. | My viewpoint makes no effort to be "fair and equitable" whatever the phuck that is. My viewpoints are reasoned, honest, and forthright. If you can't tolerate honesty, then get out of the kitchen. I'd certainly call them "forthright" and since they are usually well-stated I'd call them "honest". "Reasoned" in this forum is more subjective than objective in this forum (my own certainly included) What I'd like to know is why is it that many, if not most, of the allegedly post-secondary educated persons find it necessary to use the profanity to try and effectively express themselves...?!?! Especially those who go out of thier way to make everyone else aware of just how well educated they alledgedly are...And DOUBLY especially those who find it "appropriate" to comment on the "conduct" of others in this forum...?!?!? 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:
What I'd like to know is why is it that many, if not most, of the allegedly post-secondary educated persons find it necessary to use the profanity to try and effectively express themselves...?!?! Especially those who go out of thier way to make everyone else aware of just how well educated they alledgedly are...And DOUBLY especially those who find it "appropriate" to comment on the "conduct" of others in this forum...?!?!? Seems to be roughly related to the strength of the argument in an inverse fashion. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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The biggest thing that the ARRL needs to do right now, and would have
positive "rippling effects" not only through ham radio but within the organization itself, is to work on getting that roughly 75% of hams as subscribers! Not only would they have a ton more of money to "defend" (still remains to be proven as to exactly how they do that......) amateur radio, but would allow for "benefits" as well, and of course allowing a slightly cheaper subscription cost. One thing that needs to be done, and might get more to sign up is to do something like this: 1st year membership= Free (but some limitation on benefits) (kinda like an assocaite membership as opposed to FULL membership 2nd year membership=Reduced cost 3rd year membership=Normal price Another thing that could be done is to have some type of incentive program. If you "sponsor" or "sell" the idea of membership to new applicants, you get some type of kickback on your membership for each person like $1 or so per person that gets a new membership or re-joins after a certain minimum length of absence. Ryan KC8PMX What's the percentage of the ARRL membership that are Techs compared to other classes? Remember that the no-code-test Tech license is over a third of ALL amateur licensees in the US. ARRL membership was down to 21% of all US ham licensees in December. Down from July and that down from December a year before. See any connections there? :-) LHA / WMD |
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All these proposals need to stop for a while and what we as a ham community
NEED to work on is: 1. Improving P.R. of the hobby. 2. Strengthening from within (continued training etc.) 3. Keeping existing hams active. Ham Radio, although it has gone through many changes in the past 50+ years, it does not need to change any further than it is now, except the written testing needs to be a little more tougher, but that can be changed at the VE/VEC level and does not necessarily require alot on the FCC part. Keep the requirements where they are now, and don't lessen it further. Work on making Ham Radio stronger from within. Ryan KC8PMX "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Jason Hsu" wrote in message om... | Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose | automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now | that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part | of the proposal. People support the ARRL proposal because it gives about 65% of all existing hams a coupon for a free pass to General or Extra. That suggests that the proposal would gain 65% support right out of the box. Even NCI has decided to support it, but then the vast majority of NCI members are techs who would be eligible for the freebie. |
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![]() "Jason Hsu" wrote in message om... Until the ARRL proposal came out, I had never heard anyone propose automatic upgrades of Technician licensees to the General class. Now that this proposal has come out, many people are defending this part of the proposal. Sure is bunkie! Ain't it just grand? I realize this might sound radical, but I believe that the current licensing system, for the most part, is OK. The only change that I strongly believe should be made is eliminating the 5 wpm Morse Code exam for all license classes, including Amateur Extra. Until the ARRL proposal came out, the Morse Code exam was the main controversy. The proposed automatic upgrades from Tech to General have now stolen much of the spotlight. That is because that is how the ARRL wants it to be!! The yankee-blueblood-old-boys-club in Newingtion has finally admitted that the stats for HF operators has been on a steady decline since the mid-80's. All the new op's have been getting on 2 Meters and 440 FM so they can talk to their friends during morning and evening drive time. They have no interest whatsoever, for the majority of them, to "upgrade" to TRADITIONAL HF mode of operation because the *mistique* and *unique* ability to have in your private home a radio that you can talk to the other side of the USA or into Europe. Not any longer! Today a teenager with a Dell computer and a DSL connection can conduct live chat and/or video with their friends across town or across the country or across the world. And they don't need any unsightly antennas, limited propagation or other things to hinder them...plus it's also much cheaper than ham radio. (besides...from a generational perspective, what kid or teenager wants to converse with a bunch of 60+ something year-olds on HF radio?) Face it boys. The REAL REASON this is being done is the ARRL ***knows*** that within 10-15 years, most of the current hams who use HF will be DEAD OF OLD AGE AND OR IT'S COMPLICATIONS THEROF. Along with that the subscription rate for QST (..and CQ Magazine also) is steadly declining each year. Ham radio is on it's death bed boys, the sooner you admit it, the better you'll feel. We have *nothing* to offer the current youthfull generation but a pile of obsolete technology which they not only have no interest whatsoever in, but look upon the same and it's current users as being both eccentric and wierd. As one 13 year old said to me at a ham radio demo last year: "What do I want with just a microphone and a speaker? I can video conference with my friends online at once and swap music from home". The next generation has spoken boys! Ham Radio is OBSOLETE. That is the root cause of the problem issue. Ham radio will be DEAD in 20 years just like the automobile replaced the horsebuggy. |
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