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"Mike Coslo" wrote I would rather see him sign from the Yukon myself. Much rarer. That would be a real adventure during that time of the year. I never had a VE8 (why does that remind me of a commercial??) ever, much less in a contest. Yukon is VY1, and pretty well represented in most contests. Jay, VY1JA, is always in the chair on contest weekends, along with assorted KL7xx/VY1 players. The tough VE from here is VE4. Several stations are active in RadioSport (VE4GV, VE4GV, VE4YU, etc) but they're all in Winnipeg which is roughly 600KM away, deep in my skip zone. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Subject: Morse and Contests
From: Mike Coslo Date: 4/29/2004 2:12 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Apparently there are 4 hams resident in VY0-land. Does that include the one's curing on the pole outside the igloo...?!?! =) 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote: Subject: Morse and Contests From: Mike Coslo Date: 4/29/2004 2:12 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Apparently there are 4 hams resident in VY0-land. Does that include the one's curing on the pole outside the igloo...?!?! hehe, well that one isn't going to be operating in sweeps. Perhaps keeping the operator going? - Mike KB3EIA - |
KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote I would rather see him sign from the Yukon myself. Much rarer. That would be a real adventure during that time of the year. I never had a VE8 (why does that remind me of a commercial??) ever, much less in a contest. Yukon is VY1, and pretty well represented in most contests. Jay, VY1JA, is always in the chair on contest weekends, along with assorted KL7xx/VY1 players. Oops, somehow or another something got messed up. I might have replied to the wrong message. Steve noted that even rarer would have been a VY0 Nunavit, which at one time was part of VE8. A bad case of shifting territories going on here! And Yup, I do get into the Yukon fairly often. The tough VE from here is VE4. Several stations are active in RadioSport (VE4GV, VE4GV, VE4YU, etc) but they're all in Winnipeg which is roughly 600KM away, deep in my skip zone. Ve4 isn't too bad from here. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... KØHB wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote I would rather see him sign from the Yukon myself. Much rarer. That would be a real adventure during that time of the year. I never had a VE8 (why does that remind me of a commercial??) ever, much less in a contest. Yukon is VY1, and pretty well represented in most contests. Jay, VY1JA, is always in the chair on contest weekends, along with assorted KL7xx/VY1 players. Oops, somehow or another something got messed up. I might have replied to the wrong message. Steve noted that even rarer would have been a VY0 Nunavit, which at one time was part of VE8. A bad case of shifting territories going on here! And Yup, I do get into the Yukon fairly often. The tough VE from here is VE4. Several stations are active in RadioSport (VE4GV, VE4GV, VE4YU, etc) but they're all in Winnipeg which is roughly 600KM away, deep in my skip zone. Ve4 isn't too bad from here. - Mike KB3EIA - I don't have any problem from East Central Alabama on any of the Canadians. If they are active. I have 4 clean sweeps out of 5 years on both phone and cw modes in the Sweeps. Missed it this last time tho. Dan/W4NTI |
Subject: Morse and Contests
From: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@getrid of this mindspring.com Date: 4/30/2004 1:01 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: t "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Heck, if we're gonna go for "rare", how about from the Iniuit Territories...?!?! Add in the cost of the bush plane and dog sled too, OK...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ (already shivvering just thinking about it!) You wan't me to PAY??? Next you will charge 5 bux for the computer grade QSL card. Oh No!...All my QSL cards are "real" QSL cards... And if you pay to get me to VY1 or VY0, I P-R-O-M-I-S-E you will get FREE QSL service, Dan! Heck, I'll even drive down and HAND DELIVER your card with a six pack of your favorite brew, even if it's Crown Royal! =) 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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"William" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Morse and Contests From: Mike Coslo Date: 4/27/2004 7:34 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Idly musing, I thought of this a few moments ago. It isn't a CW testing question, but is related by being a CW operating question. With the likely demise of Morse code testing, is there any reason to have contests give double the points for Morse code contacts? Sure...why not? It requires some REAL skill to do. In this regard, as in any other pursuit in life, greater skill should be rewarded. While of course all contest rules are inherently arbitrary, does it make sense to have one mode of contact be "more equal" than others? Not "more equal"...Just better compensation. As a Nurse with my experience, credentials and skills, I expect to be compensated accordiningly. So why not be "compensated" in a contest that required using honed skills, too...?!?! Put another way, if you think that CW contacts should be worth double points, is it fair to have say, PSK31 contacts worth the same double points such as in Field day? Our GOTA station racked up a fair number of points operating PSK31, and it was certainly no more difficult than operating Phone. And how long would it take a "new" Ham to master using a keyboard? I've seen a number of cases where a phone operator has worked hard and logged a lot of QSO's, only to be beaten by a CW op with little more than half that number. Shudda been on the paddles! Seriously, though...Most contests differentiatemodes in awards... Steve, K4YZ Simply stated....CW Contesting requires real skills. Digital requires the ability to type. Phone is way down there from the above requirements. If you want to do so....Give phone 1 point, digital 2 points, and CW 5 points per qso. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. Dan/W4NTI Your opinion looks wrong to me. My opinion is that the point schedule should be inverted from what you propose. I mean, when Aaron Jones was keeping the Morse Myths list, it would appear that a CW QSO just couldn't fail. It always got through, no matter the propogation, the power level, the QRN, or the QRM. Each and every Op would QRS for the new guy and everything was just so wonderful. Meanwhile phone Ops practice dog-eat-dog, QRM each other, use bad phonetics, and propogation is always iffy. Furthermore, they marry their Technician sisters and don't even QSL. Bass turds! Give the phone ops 5 pts per completed QSO, the CW Ops get 1. And what was your score in the last major DX contest? Name the last Major DX contest. Or lets make it easier. How many DX QSO's have you had in a major contest....???? Don't recall. Go look it up in CQ. 1990 - 1991 time frame. If under 300, you are disqualified from inputing on this discussioon. Dan/W4NTI Dan, you're wrong again. You don't speak for CQ Magazine nor the ARRL, though it appears that you would like to. |
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Dee D. Flint wrote: "Jack Twilley" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Mike" == Mike Coslo writes: Mike With the likely demise of Morse code testing, is there any Mike reason to have contests give double the points for Morse code Mike contacts? Jack How is the presence or absence of Morse code testing related to Jack the point multiplier for Morse code contacts? They're Jack orthogonal, as far as I can tell. Mike I was always told that the increased points offered was an Mike encouragement to work CW. That doesn't really answer the question. A Technician can send CW on certain HF bands, even without a higher-class license-holder present. A ham with any other license can work phone contacts. Therefore, whether or not an amateur has passed a Morse code test has nothing to do with woether or not they can use Morse code. Even if the multiplier is to provide encouragement to use Morse code, it still doesn't have anything to do with whether or not hams are tested. That's certainly true. But how many non-code-tested hams do you think are actually making CW contacts of Field Day? Now, if you're going to assert that the potential end to Morse code testing will eventually cause hams to stop learning and/or using Morse code, and that therefore the multiplier is akin to the "marriage penalty" [1], well, I'm not sure that's true. If it is, NCI should be raising holy hell about the pro-code conspiracy behind all these contests, right? [...] Mike I've seen a number of cases where a phone operator has worked Mike hard and logged a lot of QSO's, only to be beaten by a CW op Mike with little more than half that number. Jack And how hard did that CW op work? Mike I doubt twice as hard as the Phone person. It's not just about how "hard" something is. You could measure it yourself, you know. Work two similar contests (say, two of the QSO parties coming up soon). Operate solely in phone for the first contest. Score your points and keep track of your experience with notes or something. Operate solely in CW for the second contest. Do the same sort of scoring and note-taking. Report back to the group with your personal experience. Not necessarily a good comparison. Conditions during one weekend may be better, for example. When I know the code, I'll do the same thing, if only to satisfy my own curiosity. Mike - Mike KB3EIA - Jack. Actually Jack, that would not be quite a fair measurement. The CW op has put in many hours of practicing and participating in contests to get his/her speed up to a really useful contest level. Although the phone op has also put in hours participating in contests to get his/her abilities honed to contest level, it is far fewer hours than the CW op to get to the top levels of ability. So the double points, at least to me, also acknowledges the longer preparatory stage that it takes to get good at it. That all depends on the person. Some folks pick up contest operating (in any mode) pretty quickly, while for others it's a real strain. It's not called "radiosport" for nothing! hmmmm, I have to disagree somewhat. This is kind of putting CW on a pedestal. Data modes get the same scoring on FD, and count as a separate "band". Let's take FD as an example. I spend a lot of time planning, putting up antennas and tents and hours and hours of operating. Some of our CW ops help in this effort also, including the hardest working one out of the bunch. But some others simply show up and work a few hours, then go home. Been there, done that - the hard work, that is. The point is, if you give extra points because of effort involved, then you have to decide what constitutes "effort". It's not about "effort" so much as it's about "rewarding a desired activity". That's why there are power level multipliers, all sorts of bonus point thingies, and different classes of operation. The spectrum efficiency of CW and data modes makes them worthy of the moide multipliers. In the contests in which I've participated, I have noticed that the best CW ops can usually run more stations in less time because of the need for fewer repeats than the best phone ops. So much for Morse being "slow" and "error prone"... I have been amazed how quickly they can run. Humbled in fact. Adn I think that kind of flies in the face of those that say that CW is slower to work in a contest than SSB. The point is not how many words are transmitted but how fast the message gets across. The need for phonetics and repeats on 'phone slows things, but the big slower-downer is the fact that if the other op is using paper logs (still very common on FD) you can't go faster than he/she can write. Which is normally less than 30 wpm. On the other hand, less experienced people can run phone contacts faster than CW contacts. If you compare the person to them self, that is true. I'm not sure what that is intended to mean. In my own contesting experience, my all time high was 310 contacts and it was a CW contest. My second best was down around 150 contacts and it was a voice contest. I'm running only 100 watts and wire antennas. I found it much easier to break through pileups and bad conditions on CW. But it took time to learn CW. My best on Field Day was 629 contacts - all CW. Almost all S&P, too. Plus 11 on 2 meter FM simplex during breaks. That was in 1B-1 category, which meant I had to do everyhting myself - setup, takedown, etc. Also copied the W1AW message and sent a message report to the SM (via CW, of course) for the bonus points. The W1AW message was copied Saturday morning but the SM message was sent during FD. All of this was with 100 W and wire antennas. It is by no means top performance - really good ops with somewhat better setups (no beams or high power, though) have done much better. But it took some time to learn just how to put a station together too. I'll defend testing CW, and I've been willing to put in a lot of effort to take my CW abilities to the "he stinks" level. But it sure seems like an unnatural advantage to have double points. I think the mode bonus is more than justified by the spectrum efficiency. I remember when there was no mode bonus on FD. The result was that FD was 'phone heavy and CW/data light. -- Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote Not necessarily a good comparison. Conditions during one weekend may be better, for example. While one mode or the other may have an advantage due to better conditions (or whatever) in any single given year, the Nov SS contest has been run with CW and Phone weekends 14 days apart for many decades (1st and 3rd weekends of November respectively). Without a SINGLE exception, the average scores on phone weekends are significantly higher than on the CW weekends, no exceptions. The reason is that the exchange is faster on phone than on CW. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Morse and Contests From: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@getrid of this mindspring.com Date: 4/30/2004 1:01 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: t "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Heck, if we're gonna go for "rare", how about from the Iniuit Territories...?!?! Add in the cost of the bush plane and dog sled too, OK...?!?! 73 Steve, K4YZ (already shivvering just thinking about it!) You wan't me to PAY??? Next you will charge 5 bux for the computer grade QSL card. Oh No!...All my QSL cards are "real" QSL cards... And if you pay to get me to VY1 or VY0, I P-R-O-M-I-S-E you will get FREE QSL service, Dan! Heck, I'll even drive down and HAND DELIVER your card with a six pack of your favorite brew, even if it's Crown Royal! =) 73 Steve, K4YZ Your in luck Steve....while having a hole dug for my tower I found a box full of money. Its confederate, Alabama state issue. How much you need? Dan/W4NTI |
"William" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... "William" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... "Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Morse and Contests From: Mike Coslo Date: 4/27/2004 7:34 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Idly musing, I thought of this a few moments ago. It isn't a CW testing question, but is related by being a CW operating question. With the likely demise of Morse code testing, is there any reason to have contests give double the points for Morse code contacts? Sure...why not? It requires some REAL skill to do. In this regard, as in any other pursuit in life, greater skill should be rewarded. While of course all contest rules are inherently arbitrary, does it make sense to have one mode of contact be "more equal" than others? Not "more equal"...Just better compensation. As a Nurse with my experience, credentials and skills, I expect to be compensated accordiningly. So why not be "compensated" in a contest that required using honed skills, too...?!?! Put another way, if you think that CW contacts should be worth double points, is it fair to have say, PSK31 contacts worth the same double points such as in Field day? Our GOTA station racked up a fair number of points operating PSK31, and it was certainly no more difficult than operating Phone. And how long would it take a "new" Ham to master using a keyboard? I've seen a number of cases where a phone operator has worked hard and logged a lot of QSO's, only to be beaten by a CW op with little more than half that number. Shudda been on the paddles! Seriously, though...Most contests differentiatemodes in awards... Steve, K4YZ Simply stated....CW Contesting requires real skills. Digital requires the ability to type. Phone is way down there from the above requirements. If you want to do so....Give phone 1 point, digital 2 points, and CW 5 points per qso. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. Dan/W4NTI Your opinion looks wrong to me. My opinion is that the point schedule should be inverted from what you propose. I mean, when Aaron Jones was keeping the Morse Myths list, it would appear that a CW QSO just couldn't fail. It always got through, no matter the propogation, the power level, the QRN, or the QRM. Each and every Op would QRS for the new guy and everything was just so wonderful. Meanwhile phone Ops practice dog-eat-dog, QRM each other, use bad phonetics, and propogation is always iffy. Furthermore, they marry their Technician sisters and don't even QSL. Bass turds! Give the phone ops 5 pts per completed QSO, the CW Ops get 1. And what was your score in the last major DX contest? Name the last Major DX contest. Or lets make it easier. How many DX QSO's have you had in a major contest....???? Don't recall. Go look it up in CQ. 1990 - 1991 time frame. If under 300, you are disqualified from inputing on this discussioon. Dan/W4NTI Dan, you're wrong again. You don't speak for CQ Magazine nor the ARRL, though it appears that you would like to. The last major DX contest was the CQWWPXPhone. But what does that have to do with what your saying? I don't claim to represent anyone, other than myself. Again what does that have to do with things? I simply want to assertain your credibility. Give me a callsign and I'll look you up. I don't think 'William' is valid for a ham call. Dan/W4NTI |
"N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI |
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Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Dee D. Flint wrote: "Jack Twilley" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Mike" == Mike Coslo writes: Mike With the likely demise of Morse code testing, is there any Mike reason to have contests give double the points for Morse code Mike contacts? Jack How is the presence or absence of Morse code testing related to Jack the point multiplier for Morse code contacts? They're Jack orthogonal, as far as I can tell. Mike I was always told that the increased points offered was an Mike encouragement to work CW. That doesn't really answer the question. A Technician can send CW on certain HF bands, even without a higher-class license-holder present. A ham with any other license can work phone contacts. Therefore, whether or not an amateur has passed a Morse code test has nothing to do with woether or not they can use Morse code. Even if the multiplier is to provide encouragement to use Morse code, it still doesn't have anything to do with whether or not hams are tested. That's certainly true. But how many non-code-tested hams do you think are actually making CW contacts of Field Day? hmmm, not my quote. Now, if you're going to assert that the potential end to Morse code testing will eventually cause hams to stop learning and/or using Morse code, and that therefore the multiplier is akin to the "marriage penalty" [1], well, I'm not sure that's true. If it is, NCI should be raising holy hell about the pro-code conspiracy behind all these contests, right? [...] Mike I've seen a number of cases where a phone operator has worked Mike hard and logged a lot of QSO's, only to be beaten by a CW op Mike with little more than half that number. Jack And how hard did that CW op work? Mike I doubt twice as hard as the Phone person. It's not just about how "hard" something is. NO doubt about that. My CW QSO's would be worth about 50 points if learning effort was included! You could measure it yourself, you know. Work two similar contests (say, two of the QSO parties coming up soon). Operate solely in phone for the first contest. Score your points and keep track of your experience with notes or something. Operate solely in CW for the second contest. Do the same sort of scoring and note-taking. Report back to the group with your personal experience. Not necessarily a good comparison. Conditions during one weekend may be better, for example. When I know the code, I'll do the same thing, if only to satisfy my own curiosity. Mike - Mike KB3EIA - Jack. Actually Jack, that would not be quite a fair measurement. The CW op has put in many hours of practicing and participating in contests to get his/her speed up to a really useful contest level. Although the phone op has also put in hours participating in contests to get his/her abilities honed to contest level, it is far fewer hours than the CW op to get to the top levels of ability. So the double points, at least to me, also acknowledges the longer preparatory stage that it takes to get good at it. That all depends on the person. Some folks pick up contest operating (in any mode) pretty quickly, while for others it's a real strain. It's not called "radiosport" for nothing! hmmmm, I have to disagree somewhat. This is kind of putting CW on a pedestal. Data modes get the same scoring on FD, and count as a separate "band". Let's take FD as an example. I spend a lot of time planning, putting up antennas and tents and hours and hours of operating. Some of our CW ops help in this effort also, including the hardest working one out of the bunch. But some others simply show up and work a few hours, then go home. Been there, done that - the hard work, that is. The point is, if you give extra points because of effort involved, then you have to decide what constitutes "effort". It's not about "effort" so much as it's about "rewarding a desired activity". That's why there are power level multipliers, all sorts of bonus point thingies, and different classes of operation. The spectrum efficiency of CW and data modes makes them worthy of the moide multipliers. In the contests in which I've participated, I have noticed that the best CW ops can usually run more stations in less time because of the need for fewer repeats than the best phone ops. So much for Morse being "slow" and "error prone"... I have been amazed how quickly they can run. Humbled in fact. Adn I think that kind of flies in the face of those that say that CW is slower to work in a contest than SSB. The point is not how many words are transmitted but how fast the message gets across. The need for phonetics and repeats on 'phone slows things, but the big slower-downer is the fact that if the other op is using paper logs (still very common on FD) you can't go faster than he/she can write. Which is normally less than 30 wpm. On the other hand, less experienced people can run phone contacts faster than CW contacts. If you compare the person to them self, that is true. I'm not sure what that is intended to mean. In my own contesting experience, my all time high was 310 contacts and it was a CW contest. My second best was down around 150 contacts and it was a voice contest. I'm running only 100 watts and wire antennas. I found it much easier to break through pileups and bad conditions on CW. But it took time to learn CW. My best on Field Day was 629 contacts - all CW. Almost all S&P, too. Plus 11 on 2 meter FM simplex during breaks. That was in 1B-1 category, which meant I had to do everyhting myself - setup, takedown, etc. Also copied the W1AW message and sent a message report to the SM (via CW, of course) for the bonus points. The W1AW message was copied Saturday morning but the SM message was sent during FD. All of this was with 100 W and wire antennas. It is by no means top performance - really good ops with somewhat better setups (no beams or high power, though) have done much better. But it took some time to learn just how to put a station together too. I'll defend testing CW, and I've been willing to put in a lot of effort to take my CW abilities to the "he stinks" level. But it sure seems like an unnatural advantage to have double points. I think the mode bonus is more than justified by the spectrum efficiency. You are the only person I've heard of using BW as a justification. Not that it isn't some kind of justification, but it is unusual. I remember when there was no mode bonus on FD. The result was that FD was 'phone heavy and CW/data light. -- Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! Here is my take on why that happens. Most contacts I make ask QSL? So I simply repeat it back. Then I give them my exchange. I also say "please" copy (exchange) If I'm the person initiating the QSO, I generally don't. I actually heard a ham chewing another one out for saying Please copy (exchange)in the VAQSO party. Told him saying "please" made him sound like an idiot. I was next to QSO with him, and gave him the prettiest, drawn out pulleeeezze he ever heard. On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. That brings up a mini-beef I've had with CW ops. At one time, I was trying to copy on the air operations. It wasn't until I found that almost everything was abbreviated that I realized I was often copying correctly. It was like a code within a code. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Subject: Morse and Contests
From: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@getrid of this mindspring.com Date: 5/1/2004 4:25 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: . net Your in luck Steve....while having a hole dug for my tower I found a box full of money. Its confederate, Alabama state issue. How much you need? HEY! Take it to a collector! It's proably worth 100 times whatever the face value was! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
Subject: Morse and Contests
From: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@getrid of this mindspring.com Date: 5/1/2004 4:28 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: et Dan, you're wrong again. You don't speak for CQ Magazine nor the ARRL, though it appears that you would like to. The last major DX contest was the CQWWPXPhone. But what does that have to do with what your saying? I don't claim to represent anyone, other than myself. Again what does that have to do with things? I simply want to assertain your credibility. Give me a callsign and I'll look you up. I don't think 'William' is valid for a ham call. Dan, that's Lennie's padawan learner and devoted fan, Brian Burke, N-ZERO-IMD. I emphasize the ZERO since I feel it's particularly applicable to him! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
The CW op has put in many hours of practicing and participating in contests to get his/her speed up to a really useful contest level. Well I think most CW ops are in there at a minimum of several nights a week .....I try to get on ever night time permitting ....Speed ... 25 WPM I think generally speaking ..... The CW op really doesn't practice as such but just gets on the air and enjoys an efficient non-verbal mode. Some of our CW ops help in this effort also, including the hardest working one out of the bunch. But some others simply show up and work a few hours, then go home. Or really don't show up at all ..... I remember one fellow from our club who had an antenna raising party on FD. On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. 73 de Jim, N2EY I always ask the WPA section guys or even the PA guys or others where they are at and how things are going ....a slight off topic tends top break up the flow from time to time. I am not in there for blood or a free pass for everlasting life due to a FD score. FD does present itself in many ways to get the message out and get the public to see first hand an aspect of our service. Heck ...we even give the cops free food ..I think the word gets out on the police radio ... 73 Tom KI3R Belle Vernon Pa .... W3CSL Monessen ARC on FD |
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"William" wrote in message om... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message link.net... And what was your score in the last major DX contest? Name the last Major DX contest. Or lets make it easier. How many DX QSO's have you had in a major contest....???? Don't recall. Go look it up in CQ. 1990 - 1991 time frame. If under 300, you are disqualified from inputing on this discussioon. Dan/W4NTI Dan, you're wrong again. You don't speak for CQ Magazine nor the ARRL, though it appears that you would like to. The last major DX contest was the CQWWPXPhone. But what does that have to do with what your saying? You wanted to know my score in the last "major" DX contest. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think Field Day was a major DX contest. I don't claim to represent anyone, other than myself. Again what does that have to do with things? I think CQ magazine can get along just fine without you running interference for them. I simply want to assertain your credibility. Oh, is that what you were doing? Who put you in charge? John Dorr? Give me a callsign and I'll look you up. I don't think 'William' is valid for a ham call. Dan/W4NTI Dan, get with the program. Everyone else knows my callsign. Best of Luck, bb |
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nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun? Dan/W4NTI |
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP Alun, that come out with this bozo's 1st post about 2 years ago. About the same time he buddy'd up with Bruce. |
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ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun? Dan/W4NTI You are unbeleivable. 1) That ain't what you said; and 2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position. If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone who thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless they say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic cr*p in my entire life. My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk. If you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you were into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On the whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to- noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is phone, or data or video, or whatever. You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting "not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly better at carrying voice information than CW is. You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP |
"William" wrote in message m... Alun wrote in message . .. "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP Alun, that come out with this bozo's 1st post about 2 years ago. About the same time he buddy'd up with Bruce. Not so William. I have had that opinion for 40 years now. Dan/W4NTI |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun? Dan/W4NTI You are unbeleivable. 1) That ain't what you said; and 2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position. If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone who thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless they say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic cr*p in my entire life. My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk. If you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you were into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On the whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to- noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is phone, or data or video, or whatever. You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting "not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly better at carrying voice information than CW is. You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message ink.net... "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun? Dan/W4NTI You are unbeleivable. 1) That ain't what you said; and 2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position. If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone who thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless they say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic cr*p in my entire life. My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk. If you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you were into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On the whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to- noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is phone, or data or video, or whatever. You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting "not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly better at carrying voice information than CW is. You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI Oh, and one more thing Alun. Why is it you don't think CW (Morse Code) is talking ? Do you think we just sit in front of the radio and send random characters? Or even random words? Comunications is the 'exchange of information'. Are you actually that ignorant Alun? Dan/W4NTI |
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ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun? Dan/W4NTI You are unbeleivable. 1) That ain't what you said; and 2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position. If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone who thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless they say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic cr*p in my entire life. My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk. If you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you were into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On the whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to- noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is phone, or data or video, or whatever. You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting "not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly better at carrying voice information than CW is. You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI At least we know where we stand |
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nk.net: "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message ink.net... "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in ink.net: "Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in nk.net: "N2EY" wrote in message m... Perhaps someone can explain a certain operating habit I hear on Field Day - but only one 'phone: I hear most FD 'phone ops repeating the *received* exchange. That is, you'll hear: "November Two Echo Yankee from November Three Kilo Zed, roger your One Bravo Eastern Pennsylvania, OK on your 1B EPA, please copy my three alfa ...." Why do so many deem it necessary to tell me what I just told them? Heck, I know what class and section I'm in! On CW, the single letter "R" does the job, and some ops don't even bother with the R - they send their exchange as an indication that they got yours. Or they send "TU" - (thank you) which does the job of "roger" and "73" both. -- One other point: Neither FD nor SS have the signal report as part of the contact. FD is callsign, section and class, SS is serial number, class, callsign, check and section, plus date and time which you don't have to send but which are part of the required logging. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well Jim, I think it means that phone ops are lids and real hams do it with continous wave. Dan/W4NTI At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP No, not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW. Does that shoe fit Alun? Dan/W4NTI You are unbeleivable. 1) That ain't what you said; and 2) Even if it were it would be an indefensible position. If we define a lid as being a bad operator, you are saying that anyone who thinks that one mode is better than another is a bad operator (unless they say that your preferred mode is better). I have never heard such idiotic cr*p in my entire life. My only reason for preferring phone is that I like to use radio to talk. If you prefer to make bleeping noises instead I could't care less. If you were into SSTV, or PSK31 or what-have-you I would say that was fine too. On the whole, I would say that comparisons of bandwidth, throughput, signal-to- noise etc were only valid within one type of information, whether it is phone, or data or video, or whatever. You said, and I quote "phone ops are lids" and then, partially recanting "not all phone ops are lids. Just the ones that think phone is better than CW". Well, I am a phone op and I think that phone is not surprisingly better at carrying voice information than CW is. You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI Oh, and one more thing Alun. Why is it you don't think CW (Morse Code) is talking ? I'm not talking to you now either, just typing on a keyboard Do you think we just sit in front of the radio and send random characters? Or even random words? I've never listened to you in QSO - you might for all I know Comunications is the 'exchange of information'. Are you actually that ignorant Alun? Dan/W4NTI Talking is communications, but not necessarily vicea versa |
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"William" wrote in message m... Alun wrote in message . .. At last your real agenda comes out, Dan. Somehow. I'm not surprised. You want the code test kept because you consider all of us phone ops to be lids. Alun, N3KIP Alun, that come out with this bozo's 1st post about 2 years ago. About the same time he buddy'd up with Bruce. Not so William. I have had that opinion for 40 years now. Dan/W4NTI I didn't say that you formed your opinion about 2 years ago, I just stated that it come out here about 2 years ago. It's your problem that you've been tormented by such ideas for so long. God bless you. |
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"Alun" wrote in message ... big snip You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI An impasse? Doesn't have to be. I'll go with Alun on this one. |
Subject: Morse and Contests
From: (William) Date: 5/2/2004 8:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You are the Master of the Obvious. It's obvious that you're a ZERO, Brian. And that has nothing to do with the ZERO in your callsign, byt the way... Steve, K4YZ |
You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI Gentlemen ....gentlemen ......I think this can be solved in a civilized manner ......What we need is a Texas Death Match. I would add a cage of barbed wire (non-resonate) of course with the key to the locked door suspended by 20 feet of ladder line above the center of the mat. There would of course be allowed one foreign object per contestant. Dan my choice for you would be a vintage Vibroplex bug attached to a 4 foot length of quarter inch cable. Alun you of course would have to use the same cable set up but with a D-104 at the end. We would let Alun fill the 104 with lead shot to even things up. The winner would be presented with the World No Lid Belt. Ya know this would probably be a lot more interesting than most contests I have been involved with over the years. Take care guys .....remember peace in the valley ..... Tom KI3R |
"garigue" wrote in message news:TqUlc.22305$Ia6.3248261@attbi_s03... You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI Gentlemen ....gentlemen ......I think this can be solved in a civilized manner ......What we need is a Texas Death Match. I would add a cage of barbed wire (non-resonate) of course with the key to the locked door suspended by 20 feet of ladder line above the center of the mat. There would of course be allowed one foreign object per contestant. Dan my choice for you would be a vintage Vibroplex bug attached to a 4 foot length of quarter inch cable. Alun you of course would have to use the same cable set up but with a D-104 at the end. We would let Alun fill the 104 with lead shot to even things up. The winner would be presented with the World No Lid Belt. Ya know this would probably be a lot more interesting than most contests I have been involved with over the years. Take care guys .....remember peace in the valley ..... Tom KI3R I like that Tom.....I have both the key and the Mic. I'll let the lid provide the cage. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in news:HJ9mc.5721
: "garigue" wrote in message news:TqUlc.22305$Ia6.3248261@attbi_s03... You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI Gentlemen ....gentlemen ......I think this can be solved in a civilized manner ......What we need is a Texas Death Match. I would add a cage of barbed wire (non-resonate) of course with the key to the locked door suspended by 20 feet of ladder line above the center of the mat. There would of course be allowed one foreign object per contestant. Dan my choice for you would be a vintage Vibroplex bug attached to a 4 foot length of quarter inch cable. Alun you of course would have to use the same cable set up but with a D-104 at the end. We would let Alun fill the 104 with lead shot to even things up. The winner would be presented with the World No Lid Belt. Ya know this would probably be a lot more interesting than most contests I have been involved with over the years. Take care guys .....remember peace in the valley ..... Tom KI3R I like that Tom.....I have both the key and the Mic. I'll let the lid provide the cage. Dan/W4NTI I already hold the moral high ground. Dan is on record as saying phone ops are lids, and I have not expressed any similar opinion re CW ops, only re him. By my reckoning I have already won. Alun, N3KIP |
"Alun" wrote in message ... "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in news:HJ9mc.5721 : "garigue" wrote in message news:TqUlc.22305$Ia6.3248261@attbi_s03... You know what, though, you are the lid. Alun, N3KIP And I think your a lid. Now what? Dan/W4NTI Gentlemen ....gentlemen ......I think this can be solved in a civilized manner ......What we need is a Texas Death Match. I would add a cage of barbed wire (non-resonate) of course with the key to the locked door suspended by 20 feet of ladder line above the center of the mat. There would of course be allowed one foreign object per contestant. Dan my choice for you would be a vintage Vibroplex bug attached to a 4 foot length of quarter inch cable. Alun you of course would have to use the same cable set up but with a D-104 at the end. We would let Alun fill the 104 with lead shot to even things up. The winner would be presented with the World No Lid Belt. Ya know this would probably be a lot more interesting than most contests I have been involved with over the years. Take care guys .....remember peace in the valley ..... Tom KI3R I like that Tom.....I have both the key and the Mic. I'll let the lid provide the cage. Dan/W4NTI I already hold the moral high ground. Dan is on record as saying phone ops are lids, and I have not expressed any similar opinion re CW ops, only re him. By my reckoning I have already won. Alun, N3KIP A good CW operator could out operate a phone operator with less power, less equipment, and worse propagation. Dan/W4NTI |
A good CW operator could out operate a phone operator with less power, less equipment, and worse propagation. Dan/W4NTI A good operator (CW or any other kind) wouldn't say "(insert mode here) operators are lids". Again Alun you are not qualified to judge. Since you are only half a ham. You have no experience to enable you able to judge anything about CW. You need to just admit that before you have the whole USENET laughing at your ignorance on the subject. Dan/W4NTI |
Subject: Morse and Contests
From: (William) Date: 5/6/2004 5:50 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Morse and Contests From: (William) Date: 5/2/2004 8:41 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: You are the Master of the Obvious. It's obvious that you're a ZERO, Brian. And that has nothing to do with the ZERO in your callsign, by the way... Steve, K4YZ Steve, its obvious that you're nuts and I'm not. To WHO...?!?! YOU...?!?! A documented liar? A "man" who won't stand behind his own word? Am I supposed to be impressed by this? Sheeeeeeesh. You really ARE an idiot. Steve, K4YZ |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
ink.net: A good CW operator could out operate a phone operator with less power, less equipment, and worse propagation. Dan/W4NTI A good operator (CW or any other kind) wouldn't say "(insert mode here) operators are lids". Again Alun you are not qualified to judge. Since you are only half a ham. You have no experience to enable you able to judge anything about CW. You need to just admit that before you have the whole USENET laughing at your ignorance on the subject. Dan/W4NTI Dan, you are not only a lid, you lack even the rudiments of logical reasoning. I was _not_ judging anything about CW. I don't even care to do so. What I was saying, since you evidently fail to understand, is that anyone who says that users of a particular mode are lids just because they use or prefer that mode is not a considerate person, i.e. you aren't. There is a valid place for each mode that we use in the amateur service, and if anyone wants to do all of their operating using one mode, whether it be CW, or slow-scan, or PSK, or SSB, they should be left in peace and not maligned by the likes of you. IMO none of them should be labelled as 'half a ham'. What should we count you as? One quarter of a ham? One eighth? |
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