"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ...
Yes, I and can see a lot of 2 meter gear being sold/modified for use -
where?

I personally see no need for Morse, but do have a concern about the
continuing movement to reduce technical requirements. This would include
grandfathering techs to general. Folks have been killed trying to erect
towers. Perhaps everyone believes that if you have a license you actually
know something.

Just my opinion


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

Or is it natural selection at work?

Ryan KC8PMX


Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

"William" wrote in message
om...
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Yes, I and can see a lot of 2 meter gear being sold/modified for use -
where?

I personally see no need for Morse, but do have a concern about the
continuing movement to reduce technical requirements. This would
include
grandfathering techs to general. Folks have been killed trying to erect
towers. Perhaps everyone believes that if you have a license you
actually
know something.

Just my opinion


Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

I didn't know that the FCC exams covered driving vehicles. My concern is
that people have little idea of rf safety, lightning safety (proper earth
ground), conductor sizing and many other nifty items that might become
somewhat important.

Reminds me of the time we had to run a 115 volt , 30 amp circuit some 250
feet one way. One fool couldn't understand why we needed wire heavier than
10 gauge. "gee, 10 gauge wire will handle 30 amps). Yep, IR loss. Then
there was the guy at work that took some 16 gauge wire to run a 12 volt 25
amp circuit. I tried to explain. Another knucklehead said it would work.
He was lucky; the wire melted and didn't start a fire.

I also don't want some idiot running 200 watts into a 5/8 wave groundplane
on 2 meters next door to me. He may be ignorant, but I am not.

So, back to your statement and my question: what does driving a car have to
do with radio/electronics/rf/ac/dc and safety?

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/3/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

So, back to your statement and my question: what does driving a car have to
do with radio/electronics/rf/ac/dc and safety?

A rhetorical question at best, isn't it, Jim...?!?! =)

A skilled LennieRanter uses such diversions to redirect our attention from
thier lack of substance in the exchange, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/3/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

So, back to your statement and my question: what does driving a car have to
do with radio/electronics/rf/ac/dc and safety?

A rhetorical question at best, isn't it, Jim...?!?! =)

A skilled LennieRanter uses such diversions to redirect our attention from
thier lack of substance in the exchange, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

The point was, "We'll never know (if they knew the material).

Some of you OF's try to make it sound like getting to the FCC office
for an examination was inconvenient at best, or even dangerous. So
you petitioned your government to let you get a mail order license, or
to have some other local ham(s) test you. Lots of hand wringing and
whining.

"William" wrote in message
om...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/3/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They
might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

So, back to your statement and my question: what does driving a car
have to
do with radio/electronics/rf/ac/dc and safety?

A rhetorical question at best, isn't it, Jim...?!?! =)

A skilled LennieRanter uses such diversions to redirect our
attention from
thier lack of substance in the exchange, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

The point was, "We'll never know (if they knew the material).

Some of you OF's try to make it sound like getting to the FCC office
for an examination was inconvenient at best, or even dangerous. So
you petitioned your government to let you get a mail order license, or
to have some other local ham(s) test you. Lots of hand wringing and
whining.

Huh?

I thought most of the OFs were trying to get the tests a bit more difficult.
You can't have it both ways.

Next, you'll blame the OFs because your washing machine is over-sudsing LOL!

The reality is that the real flamers on both ends of the spectrum are the
hold up. That mention of a trip to the FCC being dangerous had no relation
to the material on the test. We could say the same thing about sending our
kids to school. A very few have been killed and/or raped. That is hardly
a reason for not attending school.

These newsgroups get sillier every month, if not every week.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/3/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They
might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

So, back to your statement and my question: what does driving a car
have to
do with radio/electronics/rf/ac/dc and safety?

A rhetorical question at best, isn't it, Jim...?!?! =)

A skilled LennieRanter uses such diversions to redirect our
attention from
thier lack of substance in the exchange, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

The point was, "We'll never know (if they knew the material).

Some of you OF's try to make it sound like getting to the FCC office
for an examination was inconvenient at best, or even dangerous. So
you petitioned your government to let you get a mail order license, or
to have some other local ham(s) test you. Lots of hand wringing and
whining.

Huh?

I thought most of the OFs were trying to get the tests a bit more difficult.

Yep, now that they got theirs, they're trying to make things more
difficult. Can you recall when Amateur Radio got mail order upgrades
and hams testing hams?

You can't have it both ways.

I never have.

Next, you'll blame the OFs because your washing machine is over-sudsing LOL!

Stay away from my washing machine.

The reality is that the real flamers on both ends of the spectrum are the
hold up. That mention of a trip to the FCC being dangerous had no relation
to the material on the test. We could say the same thing about sending our
kids to school. A very few have been killed and/or raped. That is hardly
a reason for not attending school.

Wow! I hope that didn't happen because of frustrated amateurs on
their way to an exam.

These newsgroups get sillier every month, if not every week.

Actually, No. Fewer and fewer PCTA post each month, and the newsgroup
is improving.

Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/4/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/3/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They
might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

So, back to your statement and my question: what does driving a car
have to
do with radio/electronics/rf/ac/dc and safety?

A rhetorical question at best, isn't it, Jim...?!?! =)

A skilled LennieRanter uses such diversions to redirect our
attention from
thier lack of substance in the exchange, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

The point was, "We'll never know (if they knew the material).

Some of you OF's try to make it sound like getting to the FCC office
for an examination was inconvenient at best, or even dangerous. So
you petitioned your government to let you get a mail order license, or
to have some other local ham(s) test you. Lots of hand wringing and
whining.

Huh?

I thought most of the OFs were trying to get the tests a bit more difficult.
You can't have it both ways.

It wasn't the "OF's" who were trying to get the tests thinned out. It was
the Johhny-come-lately 10-4 Good Buddy crowd that wanted NO code test and
written questions that were "in the public domain".

Next, you'll blame the OFs because your washing machine is over-sudsing LOL!

He'll blame anyone for anything as long as it means defering any
responsibility from himself.

The reality is that the real flamers on both ends of the spectrum are the
hold up. That mention of a trip to the FCC being dangerous had no relation
to the material on the test. We could say the same thing about sending our
kids to school. A very few have been killed and/or raped. That is hardly
a reason for not attending school.

These newsgroups get sillier every month, if not every week.

I had high expectations that there would be some sort of meaningful
exchanges here.

Boy did I ever get my bubble broken.

It's a nice place to get that "stomping in the mud puddle" thing out of
your system so you can wash up and go back to "the real world".

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/4/2004 12:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"William" wrote in message
.com...
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: "Jim Hampton"
Date: 6/3/2004 8:51 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"William" wrote in message
. com...

Folks have been killed while driving to the FCC for exams. They might
have known the material, and they might not have. We'll never know.

So, back to your statement and my question: what does driving a car have
to
do with radio/electronics/rf/ac/dc and safety?

A rhetorical question at best, isn't it, Jim...?!?! =)

A skilled LennieRanter uses such diversions to redirect our
attention from
thier lack of substance in the exchange, Jim!

73

Steve, K4YZ

The point was, "We'll never know (if they knew the material).

Some of you OF's try to make it sound like getting to the FCC office
for an examination was inconvenient at best, or even dangerous. So
you petitioned your government to let you get a mail order license, or
to have some other local ham(s) test you. Lots of hand wringing and
whining.

Huh?

I thought most of the OFs were trying to get the tests a bit more difficult.
You can't have it both ways.

It wasn't the "OF's" who were trying to get the tests thinned out. It
was
the Johhny-come-lately 10-4 Good Buddy crowd that wanted NO code test and
written questions that were "in the public domain".

By definition, AMATEUR radio is not professional. Ergo, a HOBBY,
done for personal recreation, enjoyment, without accepting any
money for communications services rendered anyone.

As such, the rules and regulations need only to reflect the radio
environment, other radio services, and, of course, the international
radio world effect (which involves some politicking). Hobbies don't
need any professional guild-union-craft structure of apprentice-
journeyman-master kind of hierarchy...except in the imagination
of those who use an amateur license to merely show off.

The public question (and answer) pool came about through other
government regulations as Phil pointed out years ago. In reality,
such public data has been around for over a half century
beginning with the "Q&A" books that were once on the market
right after WW2. The Dick Bash material came later and was
not the start of such things. Bash did better marketing,
combining his radio schools with the books, plus some
noteriety, all added up to his being "known" better. The "Q&A"
books began it with commercial radio operator licenses plus
the amateur radio operator licenses.

The "no code movement" existed over four decades ago and
has grown in that time, finally achieving organizations (NCI is
the largest to date) which emphasized that. The use of manual
telegraphy has continued to decline in non-amateur radio for
half a century and the hoary old maxims of "a good radio op
is a good telegrapher" went out of date long, long ago...every-
where but among the greying heads of old amateurs.

Next, you'll blame the OFs because your washing machine is over-sudsing LOL!

He'll blame anyone for anything as long as it means defering any
responsibility from himself.

Jim Hampton made a little remark with humor and should be
taken as such. That wasn't a springboard for you to suddenly
turn on fury and go on yet-another personal attack.

The reality is that the real flamers on both ends of the spectrum are the
hold up. That mention of a trip to the FCC being dangerous had no relation
to the material on the test. We could say the same thing about sending our
kids to school. A very few have been killed and/or raped. That is hardly
a reason for not attending school.

These newsgroups get sillier every month, if not every week.

I had high expectations that there would be some sort of meaningful
exchanges here.

Boy did I ever get my bubble broken.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you broke it yourself.

You can't have "meaningful exchanges" when you soil the
communications environment with personal attacks of any kind
on those who do not agree with you.

"Meaningful exchanges" do not equate with capitulation to your
personal ideas of what amateur radio is (fantasy or otherwise).

It's a nice place to get that "stomping in the mud puddle" thing out of
your system so you can wash up and go back to "the real world".

That's just the opposite of what you just said about "meaningful
exchanges."

You DO play in lots of mud. If there isn't any mud, you hose down
the ground and MAKE mud...then whine and complain that all
others are being so nasty to poor little you.

Poor nursie...no TLC received because of throwing all that mud.

You broke the levees over five years ago along with all the
other mud bulldozers in here and think you are mighty and powerful
for saying what's on your mind...and then getting angrier when
anyone throws the mud right back at you. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

On top of that, you can't get government regulations straight or
what they mean, such as "MARS is amateur radio," a statement
that is incorrect.

Stewart started off this thread with some rather vague generality
that wasn't any "rant" but just a general comment. I really don't
know, nor can I decrypt what Stewart meant (from many possible
choices). I can see that the Personal Attack mode has been
turned on by yourself. Again. On specifics of what certain others
say so that you can claim bulldoze rights of breaking the
behavior dam to add more troubled waters over calm land.

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
[snip]

I also don't want some idiot running 200 watts into a 5/8 wave groundplane
on 2 meters next door to me. He may be ignorant, but I am not.

And what is to stop a tech from doing so? (as long as he/she does the RF
exposure analysis ... which will probably show that it's just fine from the
RF exposure standpoint ...)

Jim, your class elitism/prejudice is showing - why don't you stop acting
like all techs are dimwits? Many are more technically accomplished than
many extras.

Carl - wk3c