Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/5/2004 3:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You can't have "meaningful exchanges" when you soil the
communications environment with personal attacks of any kind
on those who do not agree with you.

Whew....

Coming from YOU this means absolutely NOTHING.

You are the epitome of newsgroup antagonist and troll. You laid waste to
your own name and "character" a long time ago. You are a documented liar and
deceiver.

YOU "soiled the communications enviroment" when you started in with the
"jackbooted thugs", "elitists" and other demeaning adjectives and then followed
it up with ream after ream of cowardly, spiteful anti-Amateur rhetoric.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/5/2004 3:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You can't have "meaningful exchanges" when you soil the
communications environment with personal attacks of any kind
on those who do not agree with you.

Whew....

Coming from YOU this means absolutely NOTHING.

Poor baby. So far, not a single "meaningful discussion." :-)

Example is just following...

You are the epitome of newsgroup antagonist and troll. You laid waste
to
your own name and "character" a long time ago. You are a documented liar and
deceiver.

"Liar?" In one way, to one pair of eyes, that is true

I disrupt the fantasies and wish-fulfillment of someone with reality.

That can be a distinct ego blow.

"Deceiver?" In what way? Not following your imaginations and fantasies
as "truth?"

Reality can be harsh. Try to accept reality as it exists.

YOU "soiled the communications enviroment" when you started in with the
"jackbooted thugs", "elitists" and other demeaning adjectives and then
followed
it up with ream after ream of cowardly, spiteful anti-Amateur rhetoric.

Your jackboots wear out? :-)

If being a "ham" means living in a fantasy world of great derring-do in
radio, then I'm certainly not one of those deceivers.

Putz.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...still into cussing and personal attacks as "meaningful
discussions?" [not at all a good image of an amateur extra...]

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

You are the epitome of newsgroup antagonist and troll. You laid waste
to
your own name and "character" a long time ago. You are a documented liar and
deceiver.

"Liar?" In one way, to one pair of eyes, that is true

I disrupt the fantasies and wish-fulfillment of someone with reality.

Lennie, you really DO believe the lies and rhetoric you spew
about Amateur Radio, don't you..?!?! Despite having been corrected
and redirected to countless sources of data that contradicts almost
everything you say, you still insist that your putrid lies are valid.

Sheeeesh.

That can be a distinct ego blow.

There's been no blow to MY ego over anything you've "presented" in
this forum. I get aggitated that someone can so overtly lie and
attempt to mislead people without some sort of resounding recourse,
but hey, every creep eventually ahs his day...you will too.

"Deceiver?" In what way? Not following your imaginations and fantasies
as "truth?"

"I am going to get my "extra lite" out of the box".

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"

"I'll send a scanned image of my FCC License to anyone who asks
for it"

Reality can be harsh. Try to accept reality as it exists.

That's not my problem, Lennie...Accepting that mere mortal,
non-engineer lay persons with an FCC license can do more with a radio
than you ever THOUGHT about doing is YOURS.

YOU "soiled the communications enviroment" when you started in with the
"jackbooted thugs", "elitists" and other demeaning adjectives and then
followed
it up with ream after ream of cowardly, spiteful anti-Amateur rhetoric.

Your jackboots wear out?

I'll specifically buy a pair next time I visit California, then
see just how much it takes to wear them down...How's that, Lennie?

If being a "ham" means living in a fantasy world of great derring-do in
radio, then I'm certainly not one of those deceivers.

You've never been in ANY world of radio operating, Lennie...You
have been around them, used them as a tool, maybe even played with one
on a bench, but you're incompetent when it comes to OPERATING one.

Putz.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...still into cussing and personal attacks as "meaningful
discussions?" [not at all a good image of an amateur extra...]

It's not my image, Lennie. It's yours. You're the putz.



They ought to sue you for defamation by association.

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Superham, able to leap tall
pilups at a single boundary equation) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

You are the epitome of newsgroup antagonist and troll. You laid
waste to
your own name and "character" a long time ago. You are a documented liar
and
deceiver.

"Liar?" In one way, to one pair of eyes, that is true

I disrupt the fantasies and wish-fulfillment of someone with reality.

Lennie, you really DO believe the lies and rhetoric you spew
about Amateur Radio, don't you..?!?! Despite having been corrected
and redirected to countless sources of data that contradicts almost
everything you say, you still insist that your putrid lies are valid.

1. Nursie hasn't "directed" anyone...except AWAY from here.

2. Nursie hasn't given any "countless sources of data."

3. That (supposed) data does NOT "contradict" anything I've
written in here.

4. Nursie's "meaningful dialogue" consists of nothing more
that personal insults.

5. I "spew" NO "lies" about amateur radio. I give some
personal opinions on subjects...which nursie can't abide.

6. Too bad for nursie.


That can be a distinct ego blow.

There's been no blow to MY ego over anything you've "presented" in
this forum. I get aggitated that someone can so overtly lie and
attempt to mislead people without some sort of resounding recourse,
but hey, every creep eventually ahs his day...you will too.

"aggitated?" "ahs?" :-)

Tsk, tsk, tsk...when aggravated into another rage, nursie begins
confusing spellings again...:-)

"Deceiver?" In what way? Not following your imaginations and fantasies
as "truth?"

"I am going to get my "extra lite" out of the box".

Why should I do that? :-)

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"

That's what I originally thought way back when...but then all
those OFs of the morse persuasion got so evil, wicked, mean
and nasty towards anyone who didn't love, honor, and cherish
telegraphy. :-)

"I'll send a scanned image of my FCC License to anyone who asks
for it"

I did that already. :-)

Reality can be harsh. Try to accept reality as it exists.

That's not my problem, Lennie...Accepting that mere mortal,
non-engineer lay persons with an FCC license can do more with a radio
than you ever THOUGHT about doing is YOURS.

Nursie is a "mere mortal?" Good grief...I thought nursie was a
Warrior of the Newsgroup, able to benchpress a KWM2,
faster than a speeding ballot, leap tall pileups at a single bound...

I'm still trying to invent antigravity...but something is holding me
down... :-)

YOU "soiled the communications enviroment" when you started in with
the
"jackbooted thugs", "elitists" and other demeaning adjectives and then
followed
it up with ream after ream of cowardly, spiteful anti-Amateur rhetoric.

Your jackboots wear out?

I'll specifically buy a pair next time I visit California, then
see just how much it takes to wear them down...How's that, Lennie?

I'll get the group down at the Burbank HRO store to notify the
newspapers that you will give them a photo opportunity. :-)

You DO know what's right next door to that HRO store, don't
you? :-)


If being a "ham" means living in a fantasy world of great derring-do in
radio, then I'm certainly not one of those deceivers.

You've never been in ANY world of radio operating, Lennie...You
have been around them, used them as a tool, maybe even played with one
on a bench, but you're incompetent when it comes to OPERATING one.

Love all nursie's "meaningful dialogue." :-)

I could recite again my experience, but nursie gets SO upset
about that! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Actually, I began in radio by doing some operations of military
transmitters...and receivers...and FSK exciters...and teleprinters
...and handheld transceivers...and Jeep-mounted transceivers...
and manpack transceivers.

Then I got out of active duty, got the commercial First Phone
and operated broadcast transmitters and all the other electronic
stuff around a TV studio. Came out west and did some radar
and missle transmitting-receiving. Got a personal radio on CB
(for fun communications), even designed and built a couple of
CB transceiver prototypes for a company that went Chapter 11
a rather long time ago. As time went on, I did real civil airways
radio operating from a real cockpit, handled UHF two-ways,
got into a partnership which installed and used a VHF two-way,
communicated with a station ON the moon, did a bunch of
DoD and military radio field work, and eventually communicated
on HF from a moored sailboat in a marina.

That's just a quick summary of things I did since 1952. There's
other little things that will make you angry because your mighty
morphing hamradiolicense forbids you to do those. :-)

Never once since 1952 have I needed or been required to use
manual telegraphy to "work" anyone on any radio frequency
from VLF on up to 25 GHz.

Never once did I have to "QSL" anyone that "contact work" had
been done. Never once did I have to join any ARRL in order to
verify anything I did in radio-electronics. But...I've written a lot
of reports on radio performance which were all accurate and true.

Putz.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...still into cussing and personal attacks as "meaningful
discussions?" [not at all a good image of an amateur extra...]

It's not my image, Lennie. It's yours. You're the putz.

You don't have an image? Tsk, tsk, you should swear and cuss
some more then... :-)

Other readers of this newsgroup have an "image" of nursie. :-)




They ought to sue you for defamation by association.

IEEE is a professional association. I joined them late, like in
1973. By now I've become a Life Member in the IEEE with all
the benefits of regular working members after 31 years in
the electronics engineering profession.

Life Membership in the IEEE is automatic, no extra dues,
no one-time charge, nothing extra once you have so much
membership time plus age. There's about 220 thousand IEEE
members all around the world. It is truly international.

You want to suggest legal action by the IEEE against me?
The quickest way for you to contact them is to go to
www.ieee.org and get an address or send them some of
your filthymouth e-mail. IEEE has automatic virus detection
software to detect badness in e-mail...they just don't always
detect badasses in e-mail. :-)

Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/7/2004 9:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
writes:

"I am going to get my "extra lite" out of the box".

Why should I do that?

Why, indeed, Lennie?

We ahve learned, of course, that anything you say youa re going to do
trutly is a "flight of fantasy"...

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"

That's what I originally thought way back when...but then all
those OFs of the morse persuasion got so evil, wicked, mean
and nasty towards anyone who didn't love, honor, and cherish
telegraphy.

Actually a review of the "evil, wicked, mean and nasty" would reveal that
one ", then "owned" by you, was the one slinging rather
inciteful and uncivil epithets towrds others.

Of course the truth is not one of your stronger suits.

And you never did explain to us how the FCC tested for CW. Oscilliscope?
Spectrum Analyzer?

"I'll send a scanned image of my FCC License to anyone who asks
for it"

I did that already.

Then you have again expressed yet ANOTHER lie.

We'll just heap it up on the others.

You want to suggest legal action by the IEEE against me?
The quickest way for you to contact them is to go to
www.ieee.org and get an address or send them some of
your filthymouth e-mail. IEEE has automatic virus detection
software to detect badness in e-mail...they just don't always
detect badasses in e-mail.

Obviously.

They also "don't always detect" who is bruising thier propfessional
reputation by association.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The dam is leaking...
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/7/2004 9:25 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
writes:

"I am going to get my "extra lite" out of the box".

Why should I do that?

Why, indeed, Lennie?

We ahve learned, of course, that anything you say youa re going to do
trutly is a "flight of fantasy"...

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Mavis Bacon certainly never taught nursie how to
type during an outrage session... :-)

[this must be one of those "hostile actions" nursie is in... :-) ]

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"

That's what I originally thought way back when...but then all
those OFs of the morse persuasion got so evil, wicked, mean
and nasty towards anyone who didn't love, honor, and cherish
telegraphy.

Actually a review of the "evil, wicked, mean and nasty" would reveal that
one ", then "owned" by you, was the one slinging rather
inciteful and uncivil epithets towrds others.

Poor baby. Still hurt and angry from 5 years ago? Awwww...

Not loving telegraphy = Inciteful and uncivil epithets?

I don't think so. See the Google archives for "communications"
from Jim Kehler back then. [a CWholic if there ever was one]

Anyone can search and find KH2D's new site now (in the states)
and see how he feels about "brain-dead old farts." :-)

Of course the truth is not one of your stronger suits.

Did nursie put on his Colonel Jessup uniform again?

Jack Nicholson's wonderful portrayal of a USMC officer in
"A Few Good Men." [character was an ultraconservative
nutso] Famous line, "You can't handle the TRUTH!!!" :-)

I have no reason to lie about anything. Been there, done
lots of things, got the T-shirts...and a comfortable income
as a result.

And you never did explain to us how the FCC tested for CW.
Oscilliscope? Spectrum Analyzer?

What prompted THAT question? Are you flipping out even
more?

[the instrument is spelled "oscilloscope" or, in familiar terms,
just "scope"]

"I'll send a scanned image of my FCC License to anyone who asks
for it"

I did that already.

Then you have again expressed yet ANOTHER lie.

No lie. I scanned it and sent it as an e-mail attachment.

More than once.

Nursie can't handle the truth so she lied and said I never sent it.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Not "meaningful discussion" at all.

We'll just heap it up on the others.

Heap big nutso nursie need mental therapy.


You want to suggest legal action by the IEEE against me?
The quickest way for you to contact them is to go to
www.ieee.org and get an address or send them some of
your filthymouth e-mail. IEEE has automatic virus detection
software to detect badness in e-mail...they just don't always
detect badasses in e-mail.

Obviously.

They also "don't always detect" who is bruising thier propfessional
reputation by association.

Speaking of associations, I was a member of the Association
for Computing Machinery (ACM) for three years as a courtesy of
the IEEE membership. ACM is the first and the biggest of the
professional associations on computing and information
technology.

Ever written any computer code, nursie? I have. Taught myself
how to write FORTRAN through Jim McCracken's book on
FORTRAN IV. Used it to write six engineering-analysis programs
that became a part of the RCA Corporate Software Library. Used
it to write five more programs that became shareware on the 'net
and are now freeware. [McCracken later became president of
the ACM]

Ever get down to Assembler level? I learned Morotola 6800
Assembler first, then 6502 Assembler (thanks to the nice macro
assembler program from Call-A.P.P.L.E., the Apple Puget
Sound Program Library Exchange that was based in Seattle),
got published in the Call-A.P.P.L.E. monthly magazine (but I
don't count that as part of my professional resume). See also
Microcomputing and BYTE magazines for more of the same.
I've done some 8051 and Intel Assembler programming but not
a great deal of it despite having MASM in the PC.

Writing computer code is lots of intellectual fun, sort of like a
super crossword but the end product is very useful for lots of
things. Sending and receiving telegraphy code is old stuff,
outdated, no real usefulness except for some OFs to brag
about in their boasts of "superiority."

I've been an IEEE member for 31 years. It is a professional
association involved in reality, of pushing the technical envelope
constantly outwards, advancing the electrical and electronic
arts. I'm proud to have been a member of that distinguished
group and continue to be involved and still learning with each
technological plateau jump after reaching Life Member status.

IEEE doesn't require any morse code knowledge for any
membership level. :-)