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I used to be active on the air about 12 years ago. I will be moving out of
my assigned call area. I'd like to get back on the air when I move.

That's great!

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

For example, if I was visiting W4 area from W3, I would identify as W3---
"portable W4" or W3---/W4.

When away from the permanent station location, a lot of us do the
"mobile 3" thing. I do it so that people know I'm mobile or portable,
and will understand if I don't respond to a call or my signal drops
out.

But at the permanent station location, most hams just use their
callsign even if their call doesn't match the callsign district.

With the current regulations, you can choose your callsign by means of
the vanity call program. So if you want a call that matches your
location, you can have one (for a fee).


Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.

It's not a new thing, either. Here's my story:

I was licensed in 1967 and got a six-character 3 land callsign, which
I kept until I moved to New York State in 1977. This was a permanent
move, and under the rules back then I could request a 1x2, 2x1, 1x3,
2x2 or 2x3 callsign - sequentially issued, no fee and no choice other
than the format. So I asked for a 1x2 and got N2EY.

Then in 1979 I moved back to 3-land. But in the 2 years that had
elapsed, the FCC had changed the rules. I could have gotten a 3-land
call, in any of the above formats, but if I gave up N2EY the FCC would
not reissue it to anybody. So I kept it, rather than deny another ham
a 1x2 or 2x1 call.

Eventually the rules changed and they began reissuing old 1x2 calls.
But by then I was so used to N2EY that I just kept it. Never been a
problem on the air.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

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Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

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Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact there.

William wrote:

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Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists. We don't know that T5/N0IMD
existed. No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact there.

I didn't ask for the first one. You requested one of mine through my
QSL manager.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists.

I think it does.

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on 2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?



73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on
2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant what
authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices, and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he CLAIMED
to do.

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

No proof = Didn't happen.

73

Steve, K4YZ

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists.

I think it does.

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on 2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

This ain't Don Miller time, the topic is the imaginary T5/N0mind.
There are no "suppositions" about his case. There *was* a radio
licensing authority in Somalia throughout that operation and there
*was* a long-standing clearly prescribed procedure other members of
the U.S. military followed in order to obtain perission to operate a
ham station in Somalia when he was there. The procedure is a matter of
long-standing gummint policy which existed long before Brainiac landed
in Somalia and all the legit YIs who are popping up today are
following the same policy requirements.

Quite some time ago I posted a copy here of a detailed e-mail written
by another member of the U.S. military who was also in Somalia during
that military expedition, followed the procedure and got official
hard-copy permission to go on the air. He went on to work scads of
stations, kept his logs and passed out piles of ARRL-acceptable cards
for a new one. Brainiac did none of the preceding = **bogus**.

Brainiac's excuse at the time was something like "well, he was later
than I was".

Yeah, right . .

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?



73 de Jim, N2EY

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Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

Who, exactly, did ever get one?

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact there.

w3rv

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Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

Who, exactly, did ever get one?

Sorry, Kellie, but you're not in there either.