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June 21st 04, 03:49 PM
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Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/20/2004 5:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Nursie has made numerous general claims in here without presenting one bit of proof or names of persons who could verify his general claims. The Veterans Administration is NOT "proof enough" form you, Scummy One? "No Proof = Didn't Happen." The proof is in the phone call, Lennie. You haven't made it. Makes you look pretty stupid with that last claim. Steve, K4YZ |
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#193
June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/20/2004 5:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Nursie has made numerous general claims in here without presenting one bit of proof or names of persons who could verify his general claims. The Veterans Administration is NOT "proof enough" form you, Scummy One? No. Copies from NARA of nursie's "jacket" would do it. "No Proof = Didn't Happen." The proof is in the phone call, Lennie. You haven't made it. Don't have to. Military records of service are at NARA, not with the VA. VA will use NARA. [National Archives and Records Administration, St.Louis] Complete information is at NARA. That would show the when and where of "hostile actions." That would show MOS and where served. It's all there. Makes you look pretty stupid with that last claim. Not at all. I know where the military service records are kept. I also know what establishes and defines MARS, posted that in here. Nursie didn't post that. Nursie still wanna claim: "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio!" Nursie has mental constipation problems (in addition to other mental problems). Nursie need help. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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#194
June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 6/21/2004 5:57 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes: Three mile run? Five? If you ever get up to these parts, Steve, we can do that. You're on! Oh, my! Will you have CNN and Fox News videotaping the Event? Will the AR Newsletter publicize it? Maybe it will make the "In Brief" section of the ARRL webpage. Just think...fame, immortality, adulation, praise, maybe a special medal for valor for another "hostile action!" All about "amateur radio policy." Riiiiiight. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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#195
June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , Alun writes: (N2EY) wrote in : In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you? As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the claims he made, yes. Why? He may know just where they are. They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit another. You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk. It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims. Can produce or will produce? Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage unit, his bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT is fact. So what's the problem? Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's pretty much a given. So why bother about it? Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if they really DID work T5/N0IMD. Maybe. Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away, etc. I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD "logbook" somewhere. IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces of wood. It's just that it's empty. Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three. Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig, etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it? Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via the local repeater in PJ7. Perfect example! Thanks, Alun! In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters, and at least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made. Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite credible, even with a very makeshift station. Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here. Absolutely. Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies. There seems to be some dispute as to what level in the military command structure can authorize amateur operation, and what level of paperwork is necessary. You two Veterans of the military can establish that, can't you? After all, another PCTA has flattly stated "MARS IS amateur radio." Since MARS is rather obviously military, defined by DoD and not the FCC, then it is a simple extension of such knowledge to say that military communications is also amateur. :-) Next time you two dine at the Captain's Table, bring it up. In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter. Absolutely agree. PCTA extras always agree. Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to operate an amateur radio station in T5. How do we know this for sure? Kelly said so, therefore it be TRVTH! Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate ham radio operation. Again - how do we *know* that the required authorization wasn't obtained? If Kelly say it be "freebanding or pirate," it BE so. I agree 100% that if such authority wasn't obtained, it wasn't an amateur operation at all. "MARS is amateur radio." :-) In any event, the claimed operation allegedly took place on 10 meters and allegedly involved at least two QSOs. Rev. Jimmie Who should write a big book expose' of this whole thing. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and did what they usually do. T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere. The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's "T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks. The thing I find interesting is the last paragraph of my post, below. *Nobody* is claiming to have worked T5/N0IMD, nor complaining about not getting a QSL card. In DX circles, that kinda says it all. Right. You two military veterans ought to go to the VA for help, expose all that "illegal freebanding and piracy," even filing charges with the USAF Judge Advocate General's office! *if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true? And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked T5/N0IMD. Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation. 73 de Jim, N2EY I want to be slim, but I don't want to be a slim. You are PCTA, hear you ROAR! LHA / WMD |
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June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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#197
June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way. As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft some witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts, Lennie! "Bloodletting?" :-) Poor baby, so easily injured are you? Wait till that bulging artery in his neck explodes. Wonder what the temper management people would recommend? Recommendation: "Duck and cover!" :-) LHA / WMD |
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#198
June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , Alun writes: (N2EY) wrote in : In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you? As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the claims he made, yes. Why? He may know just where they are. They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit another. You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk. It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims. Can produce or will produce? Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage unit, his bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT is fact. So what's the problem? Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply avoid/refuse any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's pretty much a given. So why bother about it? Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if they really DID work T5/N0IMD. Maybe. Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away, etc. I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD "logbook" somewhere. IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces of wood. It's just that it's empty. Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three. Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig, etc. One local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it? Exactly. For example, I have operated from St Martin (FS) - one QSO on 2m FM. I probably have a log of it somewhere. Ironically, that QSO was with another country, St Martin (PJ7), but it doesn't count because it was via the local repeater in PJ7. Perfect example! Thanks, Alun! In point of fact, the alleged /T5 operation was allegedly on 10 meters, and at least two QSOs (OD5 and somewhere in Eastern Europe) were reportedly made. Given the state of 10 meters in 1993, such contact reports are quite credible, even with a very makeshift station. Good grief . . lotta burdensome worn out nonsense here. Ham radio is a licensed service everywhere on this particular planet except in the cases of some very rare spits of dry land over which no nation claims as it's soverign territory and/or, given the lack of civilian licensing authority, then it gets down to whatever military force happens to hold sway in the neighborhood, etc., etc., the Spratleys being a particulary oddball example. Which is basically irrelevant in this thread, we all know this. Apologies. In Alun's case he tripped to the isle of Saint Martin and worked into PJ7 as a G/FS or as a W/FS as a properly licsened alien. Alun being big on his alienism and all that. I'm assuming Alun had his paperwork right if any was required. The goverment of FS was/is the licensing authority when Alun operated there. Therefore his FS to PJ7 QSO was a legitimate amateur radio contact even if was a DXCC no-counter. Brainiac's alleged T5 operation is a whole different ballgame altogether. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and accepting his tales about having "worked" a couple "dx countries" from Somalia on ten meters while he was there was not an amateur radio operation. The ham radio licensing authority for members of the U.S. military of which he was a member was vested in the command structure of that expeditionary force. He did not have their explicit permission to operate an amateur radio station in T5. Kelly NEVER served in the armed forces of the United States. Kelly does NOT understand the military chain of command. Permission to do anything IN the military is granted by ranking officers. Didn't Kelly hear that at the Captain's Table while dining with all that rank? No? Tsk, tsk. Therefore it's patently obvious that his "operation" was another simple case of freebanding, pirate radio, "extended CB" whatever ya wanna call it. For absolute certain he did not conduct a legitimate ham radio operation. It wasn't a T5 amateur radio station, Brainiac was just another unlicensed glom using some xcvr or another on 10M and did what they usually do. Amazing at the range and scope of rationalization for HATING another newsgroup poster by the high-society ham extras. Kelly should explain his "superiority" in not only radio but relative to the rest of society. [Kelly is "superior" only because he claims that while busy inflating past claims to a greatness never before seen by hamkind] T5/NØmind's freebander logs and cards = ZIP everywhere. Kelly has taken on a new role...that of International Regulator And Punisher of anything an NCTA says. Yawn. The real reality of this ongoing twisted bafflegab about Brainiac's "T5 ops" BS has nothing at all to do with ham radio except for the freqs on which he done it (maybe, but we'll never know) let alone ham radio policy. So take it to alt.dot.radio. freebanding or wherever his kind lurk and quit wasting the bandwidth here folks. Kelly is allowed to inflate his single patent to 26. Kelly is PCTA. [proof is with the U.S. Patent Office and several patent websites, showing only one...and that one as co-inventor]] Kelli is allowed to shoot bears from an aircraft carrier. Kelly is PCTA. [there is no proof of this but Kelly will damn anyone who disputes it] Kelly claims knowledge of WW2 military vehicles and their radios as absolute truths. Kelly is PCTA. [proof is in many places, including old documents of the U.S. military disputing that] Kelly has repeatedly damned others opposing his fish stories. Kelly is PCTA. That is approved under the ROE of this news- group trying to be dominated by PCTA. They are PCTA, hear them ROAR! :-) LHA / WMD |
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#199
June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , Alun writes: Don't forget, the requirements for DXCC are far more stringent than those of mere legality. I have seen threads before where people have argued past oneanother on this point, i.e. one of them has used the term 'legal' when they were really talking about DXCC eligibility, a big mistake. For example, operation without the permission of the owner of the land or building is not valid for DXCC, but it is seldom illegal. More to the point in this case, perhaps(?), operation from a war zone is legal with permission of whoever appears to be in control, but good luck getting it approved for DXCC. Alun, if there be some etymology of that thread, no "DXCC" was involved. No contesting at all was involved. It began when Heil made some chance remark about "working Frenchmen on 6m out of band." Brian Burke tossed that one back to him with some mild ascerbicity which caused Heil to go bananas. Nursie got out his rusty bayonet, locked and loaded, and made like the Charge of Lite Brigade (which led into the Valley of Death of his of today). Nursie never got to Somalia, certainly not to any "hostile action" there (or anyplace else with any proof) but Brian Burke did. Brian earlier had made a chance remark about operating from there on ham frequencies, getting permission from his commanding officer. That resulted in a long, overdrawn word battle and flame war with Heil who was resentful (to the max) of anyone having the temerity to toss him a rejoinder. Nursie jumped in on that with usual diss-and-cuss, trying to make like a legal eagle with smarts instead of the hummingbird with dumbth. The PCTA of this newsgrope all seem to be self-righteous, prissy puritans of perfection who will explode with outrage at the slightest provocation of their beloved manual telegraphy as being anything less than the ultimate skill of amateurs. It's almost as Henry Ford put it on the color of the Model T: "You can have any opinion you want, so long as its pro- code." That's the "new" freedom of speech in here. Enjoy. I got back from a week of aerial operations, drove by the storage unit, and checked that the lock wasn't jimmied ("jimmied" is a common use for B/E, not a slam against the Rev. Jim). My T5 logs are safe and secure. One day they may have real historical value. I could divide them up and run some through Christie's and the others through Sothby's. Maybe I'll just make a run of numbered copies, suitable for framing. A press run would be a non-good idea. That would start another spate of Book Burning by the PCTA in general, sponsored by the enemies of fantasy. Some overweight stubbly-faced documentary film maker would get publicity for his expose of Somalia, that it "never happened." ["Moore to come" as Variety put it...] Denial of reality is the stock in trade of the olde-tyme hammes who love, honor, and obey morsemanship. Everyone who speaks against them "LIE!" :-) LHA / WMD |
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June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (William) Date: 6/19/2004 8:10 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie From: (William) Date: 6/15/2004 9:36 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Nobody is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation. Correct. I QSL'd 100%. It's easy to do when there's nothing to send. Tsk, tsk. Nursie still trying to invent a stinging rebuke and his stinger got broke so long ago that he can't even muster a good rash... :-) "Nothing to send." 100% of nothing is zero (0). I sent out a few more than one (1) QSL card. That you may have sent out "QSL" cards is not at issue. That you sent out QSL cards confirming your activites from Somalia are. What IS at issue is the validity of the operation (it wasn't) and whom you may have had QSO's with (you refuse to state). So far, you've not provided us with anything more than a claim that you operated from Somalia. Even if you DID "operate" from Somalia, from your own words in THIS forum it's apparent that you did not have legal sanction to do what you allege to ahve done, ergo the cards are invalid for ANY purpose other than a keepsake. No Proof = Didn't Happen. Show us your "Proof" that manual telegraphy is still used for U.S. military communications. NOW. Today. Confirm your claim of another posting. You have not yet proven that "MARS IS amateur radio." Despite the real, true Proof established by DoD Directive 4650.2 (eff. 21 Nov 03). The rest of the world lives in reality, not the fantasy imagination of "The Last Hostile Action Hero." Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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