In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

Today "Romeo Victor" cuts thru the crap like a knife.

"Echo Yankee" does almost as well.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
[snip]
Quite possibly. I use the so called "proper" phonetics myself (though
prefering plain callsigns).

I'm just not terribly into telling people what they can or can't say on
the air as long as it is decent language.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Actually the DX station is not so much trying to tell people what to say as
telling them what works for him so that those calling the DX can maximize
their chances of getting through and the DX can maximize his results. I
personally would look at it as simply trying to facilitate communication.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Phil Kane wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:52:22 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:


I prefer that people simply say their callsign to me. Phonetics annoy
me mostly. When they use their phonetics, are they practicing courtesy
to me?


We have an individual (respected old-timer at that) who, when he
takes his turn-in-the-barrel as net control of our daily ARES/RACES
check-in, gets confused over people's call signs regardless of
whether phonetics are used or not, and even if one identifies with
phonetics, he will acknowledge with some ad-hoc inconsistent mixture
of ITU, old military, and old telco (cities) phonetics.

For one, it drives me nuts even though he's a nice guy.

And on another score, the last letter in my call is "P", and how can
"pa-PA" - or even the popular pronunciation "poppuh" be confused with
"Japan" ??


pa-PA could under some circumstances sound a teeny bit like Japan if
some one pronounced it Jaw-pawn. Who would do that, I'm not sure.

- Mike KB3EIA -


In many languages, the English unaccented sound of a as in the first
syllable of Japan and the hard, short sound of a as in the second syllable
of Japan simply don't exist. Those learning English have to make a special
effort to learn to pronounce them. I've heard several foreign stations
pronounce it more like "jaw-pawn" than the standard English pronunciation.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 6/13/2004 11:12 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

About two decades ago I started computer-modem communications.

Those days were something by comparison. Phone cradle modems and slow
as molasses. Can't say as I'm all that sorry they are gone.

Me too.

However, if you pay close attention, Mike, you'll see yet another
LennieTroll in this exchange.

You see Lennie spends a great deal of time berating anone in this forum
that dares to express ANY degree of "experience" in ANY communications related
discipline. He then gets off in a tangent about how anyone who discusses
anything older than an hour is "archaic" and otherwise backwards.

However it's obviously not against HIS rules for HIM to do the very same
thing.

I haven't figgured that out yet...Seems a bit two-faced to me.

But then nothing about pathological liars is easy to understand.

Got a tad off the subject into Personal Hatred, dintcha? :-)

I hate almost no one. Whether you like it or not, I like you.


Tsk, tsk, tsk, Mike. Your words in other messages betray you...

I'm sorry you feel that way.

It is totally irrelevant whether anyone is "liked" or not.

100 percent correct. That doesn't change the fact that I do like you.

I LOVE this, Mike!

If this isn't a cut-and-dried effort by His Scumminess to dig his heels in
and create yet another bloodbath in the NG, I don't know what is.

Sir Putzy did essentially the same thing with me. No amount of "thanks
for your opinion but I don't agree" satisfied him. He dug in with the Nazi
epithets and cries foul when it is visited back upon him.

This is
computer-modem comms and the in-person social rules don't
apply here.

If you do not wish them to apply to you, they don't have to. You are
the master of what you say and do in person or in a newsgroup.

Lennie percieves himself as a MasterDebator. And no doubt, he is...

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/13/2004 4:57 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

There's nothing to respect or admire able about being able to tear down,
insult, and destroy - or attempt to.

Here's a classic for ya - I call it "the sphincter post":

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001001%40nso-f
p.aol.com&output=gplain

A quote from that post:

From: (Lenof21)
Subject: Morse monkeys are the worst!
Date: 2000/03/28
Message-ID:
References:
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
X-Admin:

Jeff, you've never been under Incoming, have you? While
trying to get return artillery support on a radio while your
ears, your whole body is numbed by HE infall on your
position? Most folks in that position don't wet their
pants...every sphincter tightens up, ears go deaf, eyes
close tight, and every breath may be the last.

I just helped plant my bro-in-law, another veteran.
Why don't you quit the shore station histrionics and go
back to ancient radio history. It will ease your troubled
mind...and keep your pants dry.

Len Anderson
ex-RA16408336

It never fails to amaze me how Lennie the Lame always finds a way to
insinuate that he has some insight or knowledge about topics that he will, at
some other time, try to deminish the experiences in...

Of course the obvious question for His Creepiness is "What practical
experience do you have in being the recipient of "incomming" artillery...?!?!"

But Lennie's attempt to lambaste Jeff was colorful...right out of a Clancy
novel.

Then there's the comment about his "bro-in'law".

That creates two more questions...First of all is WHAT did this have to do
with ANYTHING about Morse Code, Amateur, military or "professional" radio, and
TWO, Lennie had an ethnic relative...?!?!

Lastly we can ask Lennie what his service number has to do with anything.
He was never in combat. He was never anything more than a rear area radio
clerk, babysitting a handful of RTTY positions that were not his to decide how
to operate.

Please, Lennie...TELL US how you were in a foxhole, taking "HE" mortar
rounds, and how despite not peeing your pants, you still managed to pass 1.2
million messages at ADA...

Leonard H Anderson is one of the biggest, most prolific liars and
antagonists in NG history...Isn't there a medal for THAT we can recommend him
for? It will be the ONLY thing he ever earned honestly.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Able Baker Charlie (or is that Avacado Bascule Cumquat?)
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 6/13/2004 4:54 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Da Shadow wrote:

But there are strong recommendations from the various Amateur Radio
Socities
that you do.

And I have heard many times in pile-ups --- ITU Phonetics only and some DX
operators won't answer you with any other phonetics.

--
Lamont Cranston


Wow, it must be something for these "operators" to be so anal! If a
person only answers me because I speak a certain way, then I'll forgo
their blessed contact.

There may be a legitimate reason for that, Mike...It's not that the other
guy is particularly "anal', but English may not be his native language. You
start throwing "cute" or non-traditional "phonetics" at him and he is lost...

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/13/2004 9:44 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len, I've always said that my /T5 logs are in storage.

No, you've not, but it's your story and I am sure you think it's true.

A simple 5
minute google search could have borne that out. But Steve had to make
up stories. Untrue stories. They're not lost, never have been. And
I know that Steve and Kelly aren't in them because I didn't work any
USA stations.

Then WHY haven't YOU taken five minutes to walk out to the garage, dig
them out, then PROVE your assertions are truthful?

(knock knock...because they are not...)

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (William)
Date: 6/14/2004 5:10 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I'll probably find my storage unit broken into and the contents
scattered over hells half acre. Those logs have become quite valuable
to the Gang of Four.

"Storage unit"...?!?!

Two posts ago you said they were in your garage...

So now you've set us up for the adult version of "...but my dog ate my
homework!..."

Sheeesh...

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/13/2004 3:28 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steaming Steve der STASI Unteroffizier who has to ride the coattails of
those
specifically attacking personalities) scribbles:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue".

From the archived mistruths and fantasies of Leonard H. Anderson, a known
pathological liar and ex-test bench technician (no longer able to work regular
hours because most anyone who might hire him has finally gotten the word about
him...)

Steve, K4YZ

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:

If not required by laws or rules, then it is required out of some level
of
operational courtesy though.

Ryan
KC8PMX

I prefer that people simply say their callsign to me. Phonetics annoy
me mostly. When they use their phonetics, are they practicing courtesy
to me?

- Mike KB3EIA -


I find that people have a high error percentage in getting my call correct
even with a clear, strong FM signal unless I give it at least once
phonetically. While my call is N8UZE, the Z is frequently repeated back to
me as B, C, D, G, P, T, or V. The only people who don't make that mistake
are those who have known me for a while and are familiar with my call.

There's an ancient quick fix for that problem. Use N 8 U Zed E.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

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