N2EY wrote:
Y'know, with all this discussion about different phonetic alphabets, people
confusing "Papa" with "Japan" and DX/contest folks using a completely different
set and being cornfuzed by anything else, it makes me wonder.

Doesn't all this add up to 'phone modes being "slow", "limited" and
"error-prone"?

No. Just as with Morse, there is proficiency built up by use. With a set
uof headphones, and the ability to adjust the volume and tone to where I
like it, even my rotten ears can work phone nicely. In the field days
and contests where I have worked high power, I have spent a lot of time
with weak phone signals. I have gone from asking for repeats in about 25
percent of the cases to almost never.

In fact, the whole phonetic debate is a little funny, since despite the
kvetching, an experienced operator can pick out the different phonetics
without getting his/her knickers in a twist.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote in
:

N2EY wrote:
Y'know, with all this discussion about different phonetic alphabets,
people confusing "Papa" with "Japan" and DX/contest folks using a
completely different set and being cornfuzed by anything else, it
makes me wonder.

Doesn't all this add up to 'phone modes being "slow", "limited" and
"error-prone"?

No. Just as with Morse, there is proficiency built up by use. With a
set uof headphones, and the ability to adjust the volume and tone to
where I like it, even my rotten ears can work phone nicely. In the
field days and contests where I have worked high power, I have spent a
lot of time with weak phone signals. I have gone from asking for
repeats in about 25 percent of the cases to almost never.

In fact, the whole phonetic debate is a little funny, since
despite the
kvetching, an experienced operator can pick out the different phonetics
without getting his/her knickers in a twist.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Whilst that is true, I am more concerned about the op who is in a country I
need and isn't experienced.

Mike Coslo wrote:



In fact, the whole phonetic debate is a little funny, since
despite the kvetching, an experienced operator can pick out the
different phonetics without getting his/her knickers in a twist.



For some reason, my call "Whiskey Alpha Two India Sierra Echo" comes back
"Whiskey Alpha Two India Sierra Tango" fairly often. Seems people hear the
ends of the words better than the beginnings. "Echo" and Tango" rhyme
somewhat,
which I thought the phonetic alphabet was to avoid. What's the most common
alternate for "Echo" used on HF?

"Robert Casey" wrote in message
...
Mike Coslo wrote:



In fact, the whole phonetic debate is a little funny, since
despite the kvetching, an experienced operator can pick out the
different phonetics without getting his/her knickers in a twist.



For some reason, my call "Whiskey Alpha Two India Sierra Echo" comes back
"Whiskey Alpha Two India Sierra Tango" fairly often. Seems people hear
the
ends of the words better than the beginnings. "Echo" and Tango" rhyme
somewhat,
which I thought the phonetic alphabet was to avoid. What's the most
common
alternate for "Echo" used on HF?

Edward.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

Hello and good morning,
I am following this very interesting and funny thread since it was initiated
by ??? long ago.

"Bert Craig" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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| "Robert Casey" wrote in message
| ...
| Mike Coslo wrote:
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|
|
| In fact, the whole phonetic debate is a little funny, since
| despite the kvetching, an experienced operator can pick out the
| different phonetics without getting his/her knickers in a twist.

Let me straighten out the whole phonetics discussion from the point of the
DX side:

1. Standart ITU Phonetics are testet everywhere outside most english
speaking countries, even in Great Britain as we where told by Alun. Thats
neccesary because they all have their alternative set of phonetics in native
language. If a US-ham now is useing a different set, there could be problems
of understanding, because the properly pronounced ITU phonetics might be the
ONLY english words, and the figures, the DX will be capable of.

2. As we are tested on the ITU-phonetics for ham-licence, in other instances
(law enforcement, emergency response, military) we are bound to homeland
phonetics. Despite that fact, hams are using the ITU-set even on VHF/UHF and
even they dont have a CEPT licence (only national) instead of the logical
native language one.

3. The use of alternative sets of phonetics, or even those funny
replacements as they are in use in the US, like
"W4ZLY " Whisky for Zebras Like Yoghurt - sometimes would make it hard to
accomplish a full QSO. BTW this is a real example.

|
|
|
| For some reason, my call "Whiskey Alpha Two India Sierra Echo" comes
back
| "Whiskey Alpha Two India Sierra Tango" fairly often. Seems people hear
| the
| ends of the words better than the beginnings. "Echo" and Tango" rhyme
| somewhat,
| which I thought the phonetic alphabet was to avoid. What's the most
| common
| alternate for "Echo" used on HF?
|
| Edward.
|

England
Equador
Easy

| --
| 73 de Bert
WA2SI
|


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