In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/14/2004 12:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Also, a logbook with no entries in it is still a logbook, isn't it?

Good point!

So, you refused to answer the other questions posed to you.

Why?

You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you?

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

LHA / WMD

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 1:43 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

DoD Directive 4650.2 exists, as does NCP 8(C), yet nursie keeps
on stating that "MARS is amateur radio!" :-)

Thanks for once again proving my assertions on your lack of credibility,
Lennie.

YOU keep saying that.

I keep saying No Amateur Radio = No MARS.

You put things in quotes and attribute them to me when such is not true.

Nursie originally wrote "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio."

That's the full one-sentence quote.

Much later (about 3 weeks) nursie tried to backpedal and say
a different thing.

Too bad. The second sentence was still incorrect.

Leonard H. Anderson caught lying again.

No. Just trying to keep the truth afloat in your imaginary sea
of deceptive fantasy.

When are you going to read (and understand) DoD Directive
4650.2 (effective 21 Nov 03)? How about USN-USMC
Communications Instruction NCP 8 (C)? Never?

You COULD find out the truth...but the truth hurts you, doesn't
it? It doesn't let you claim all those outrageous things you
state. Poor baby.

You could have said you made a mistake. You didn't. For
3 weeks you couldn't even furnish anyone a link or ID to the
military regulations describing MARS. That was easy enough
to do on a simple search for two others.

You were given the links. Why didn't you follow through?

No, you couldn't do that. Instead you insist on blaming others
for your own failures. Not nice. Not gentlemanly. Not being a
good amateur extra. Not being a man.

This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way.

Bon apetit and temper fry...

LHA / WMD

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in
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Y'know, with all this discussion about different phonetic alphabets,
people confusing "Papa" with "Japan" and DX/contest folks using a
completely different set and being cornfuzed by anything else, it makes
me wonder.

Doesn't all this add up to 'phone modes being "slow", "limited" and
"error-prone"?

73 de Jim, N2EY


I wondered when someone would pop up with that comment. I think CW is
generally slower, though.

Mike Coslo wrote in
:

N2EY wrote:
Y'know, with all this discussion about different phonetic alphabets,
people confusing "Papa" with "Japan" and DX/contest folks using a
completely different set and being cornfuzed by anything else, it
makes me wonder.

Doesn't all this add up to 'phone modes being "slow", "limited" and
"error-prone"?

No. Just as with Morse, there is proficiency built up by use. With a
set uof headphones, and the ability to adjust the volume and tone to
where I like it, even my rotten ears can work phone nicely. In the
field days and contests where I have worked high power, I have spent a
lot of time with weak phone signals. I have gone from asking for
repeats in about 25 percent of the cases to almost never.

In fact, the whole phonetic debate is a little funny, since
despite the
kvetching, an experienced operator can pick out the different phonetics
without getting his/her knickers in a twist.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Whilst that is true, I am more concerned about the op who is in a country I
need and isn't experienced.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
:


"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...
"Brian Kelly" wrote in message


I find that people have a high error percentage in getting my
call correct even with a clear, strong FM signal unless I give
it at least once phonetically. While my call is N8UZE, the Z
is frequently repeated back to me as B, C, D, G, P, T, or V.
The only people who don't make that mistake are those who have
known me for a while and are familiar with my call.

There's an ancient quick fix for that problem. Use N 8 U Zed E.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

w3rv

I am aware of that but am not used to it, not having grown up around
speakers of French or people from Canada or near the Canadian
border.

I didn't realize "Zed" has a "French connection". Live and learn. I
never noticed that there are any regional trends to it's use, I'm ten
minutes from the Mason-Dixon line and it's been SOP everywere I've
tuned since AM days. It's used unconsciously even on the machines and
in face-to-face conversation. N 3 N Zed is one of the locals, I
suspect that if somebody called him N 3 N Zee it would cause a
back-up-and-think-about-it moment. Maybe it's just an Old Fart thing.
Heh.


Yup, zed is the French name for the letter Z. It is NOT part of a
phonetic alphabet. Outside of ham radio (which I got into in 1992) you
only hear it in areas subject to French influence.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Zed is the _English_ as well as French name for the last letter of the
alphabet. Zee is American, and likely also not understood in VK, ZL, etc.

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the
claims he made, yes.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what PuppetBoy
can produce to substantiate his claims.

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT is fact.

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if they
really DID work T5/N0IMD.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

It's just that it's empty.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Able Baker Charlie (or is that Avacado Bascule Cumquat?)
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Able Baker Charlie (or is that Avacado Bascule Cumquat?)
From: Robert Casey
Date: 6/14/2004 2:58 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"Use the Right Phonetics" as the best article in
our national Journal for May.

Dang! I wanted to get the vanity call "K2EO" and use phonetics
"Knife Two Experiment Opposum"

How about "Kill to End Oppression"...!?!?

How about calming down before you get too eager to "kill?"

[still off your meds?]

Kissed Two Eager Ogres...?!?!

[not getting enough?]

Or one reeeeeeeeally tacky one......Kinky two easy organsms...?!?!

Definitely not getting enough. Try a kumquat, not a "cumquat."

Either way, I was not the one who suggested the word.

Why are you against the NATO phonetic alphabet?

Where did I say I was?

Radio communications around the world have adopted the 1955
NATO phonetic alphabet.

And now it's the ICAO alphabet. Says so in more places than I can count.

The U.S. military adopted the NATO phonetic alphabet in 1955.
Not good enough for you? Tsk, tsk.

You're offered this opportunity to attribute the post wherein I made such
a suggestion, Your Cowardliness.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:31 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

This isn't Burger King and you cannot have it your way.

As I am sure you have suffered many a sleepless night trying to draft some
witty "comeback" for yet another bloodletting of one of YOUR posts, Lennie!

Bon apetit and temper fry...

Seems I am not the one with an appetite problem, Lennie.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 15 Jun 2004 07:58:59 GMT

Subject: Temper Fry, Was Able Baker Charlie
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/14/2004 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

You are still going to claim that Brian "lost" his logs, aren't you?

As long as he keeps refusing to post some sort of "evidence" for the
claims he made, yes.

Why?

He may know just where they are.

They may have been in a garage at one time and in a storage unit another.

You don't really know either way, do you? Tsk, tsk.

It's not what I know or don't know, Your Putziness....It's what
PuppetBoy can produce to substantiate his claims.

Can produce or will produce?

Regardless of wether they are in his garage, a rental storage unit, his
bathroom reading rack, or his imagination, they are NOT "here"...THAT is
fact.

So what's the problem?

Anyone who reads these exchanges knows that Mr. Burke will simply avoid/refuse
any sort of substantive answer on the subject. That's pretty much a given.

So why bother about it?

Brain knows that even if he produces some log with callsigns in it, it
becomes a simple matter to contact the various persons to ascertain if they
really DID work T5/N0IMD.

Maybe.

Or maybe those people will have moved, changed callsigns, passed away, etc.

I am now sure that Jim was right. I am sure that Brain HAS a T5/N0IMD
"logbook" somewhere.

IIRC, the exact calim was "logs", not "logbooks". Could be some pieces of wood.

It's just that it's empty.

Or maybe there's one entry. Or two. Or three.

Remember there were no claims as to number of QSOs, band, mode, rig, etc. One
local VHF/UHF QSO would count as "operation" wouldn't it?

*if* that were the case - wouldn't it make all of the claims true?

And why get all upset about it? Nobody is claiming they worked T5/N0IMD. Nobody
is complaining they didn't get a QSL card from the alleged operation.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Alun" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
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[snip]

Zed is the _English_ as well as French name for the last letter of the
alphabet. Zee is American, and likely also not understood in VK, ZL, etc.


However if you will check the etymology in the dictionary, it is of French
origin. Interestingly enough no etymology is given for zee.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE