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June 21st 04, 05:19 AM
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June 21st 04, 02:34 PM
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Subject: Able Baker Charlie
From: (Avery Fineman) Date: 6/20/2004 11:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for radio communications. Yes, they do. Steve, K4YZ |
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June 22nd 04, 02:32 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Able Baker Charlie From: (Avery Fineman) Date: 6/20/2004 11:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for radio communications. Yes, they do. NO. They once did. No more. Establish your PROOF before you blither out nonsense like that. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Temper fry. LHA / WMD Maybe he read it in a defunct magazine or a magazine that carries articles about a defunct mode. |
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June 22nd 04, 10:26 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Able Baker Charlie From: (Avery Fineman) Date: 6/20/2004 11:19 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for radio communications. Yes, they do. NO. They once did. No more. Establish your PROOF before you blither out nonsense like that. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Temper fry. LHA / WMD Maybe he read it in a defunct magazine or a magazine that carries articles about a defunct mode. With his defunct intellect I can understand it... LHA / WMD |
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June 21st 04, 04:31 PM
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(Avery Fineman) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW. "Abiding?!?" Crock. Fort Huachuca is the Military Intelligence center for the U.S. Army. One duty of M.I. is to run intercepts on foreign communications. Some foeign countries still think that manual telegraphy is "effective" so the M.I. teach morse code to intercept analysts. For LISTENING. The only "use" for morse code is in LISTENING, of intercepts, ELINT. The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for radio communications. [USN blinker lights are not radio] The Signal Corps is the communications branch of the Army. The Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. The Signal Center doesn't teach any morse code receiving or sending. Katapult Kellie should valve off all that steam and join the rest of the world in this new millennium. Good luck on that one, now... LHA / WMD Even the FCC and VEC's quit administering a Morse sending test. They only administered a receiving test. Hmmmmm? Maybe the sending test would have been a disincentive to CW use on HF. |
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June 21st 04, 10:41 PM
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June 22nd 04, 12:17 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in
: In article , (William) writes: (Avery Fineman) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW. "Abiding?!?" Crock. Fort Huachuca is the Military Intelligence center for the U.S. Army. One duty of M.I. is to run intercepts on foreign communications. Some foeign countries still think that manual telegraphy is "effective" so the M.I. teach morse code to intercept analysts. For LISTENING. The only "use" for morse code is in LISTENING, of intercepts, ELINT. The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for radio communications. [USN blinker lights are not radio] The Signal Corps is the communications branch of the Army. The Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. The Signal Center doesn't teach any morse code receiving or sending. Katapult Kellie should valve off all that steam and join the rest of the world in this new millennium. Good luck on that one, now... LHA / WMD Even the FCC and VEC's quit administering a Morse sending test. They only administered a receiving test. Hmmmmm? Maybe the sending test would have been a disincentive to CW use on HF. There must be some mental block induced by too much morsemanship. The morsemen can't understand reality. Or, they are so immersed in their only radio service active in morsemenship that they are totally blind to all other radio services. Might be a good project for some PhD candidate in psychology as a Dissertation. Time has stopped for the morsemen. They continue to live in the past, imagining glories lives of navel high society, "hostile actions," mighty titles of importance, all from morsemanship credentialism. Back some 49 years ago, NATO released their phonetic alphabet. Phonetic alphabets are of no use for manual telegraphy...apply only to voice communications. Just the same, the morsemen keep insisting everyone still uses "CW" (manual on-off carrier keying telegraphy) for military communications. Their minds are warped, living in fantasies of their own beeping. LHA / WMD Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has unquestionably moved on and they have not. It brings me in mind of the Jethro Tull song "Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll, Too Young To Die", not just the title, but all the words. As any afficionado knows, this of course appeared on an album entitled "Living In The Past"! This is the ultimate anthem to clinging to youth, which we all tend to do, even those of us who can't stand that d*mn bleeping! If you listen to/read the lyrics of the whole song, you'll see that Ian Anderson saw it as no bad thing. What is truly pernicious, and constitutes the difference between him and them, is that so many morsemen want to drag others kicking and screaming into the past! 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
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#9
June 22nd 04, 01:14 AM
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In article , Alun
writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in : In article , (William) writes: (Avery Fineman) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian Kelly) writes: (N2EY) wrote in message ... and I mention that the U.S. military quit using manual telegraphy for fixed-point communications in 1948. They did? Everywhere? Or did they simply start phasing it out in 1948? And what about non-fixed-point communications, such as between ships? And what about the CW courses still being taught at Fort Huncha-something somewhere in the southwest? Ohyez, the feds still have an abiding and ongoing interest in the use of CW. "Abiding?!?" Crock. Fort Huachuca is the Military Intelligence center for the U.S. Army. One duty of M.I. is to run intercepts on foreign communications. Some foeign countries still think that manual telegraphy is "effective" so the M.I. teach morse code to intercept analysts. For LISTENING. The only "use" for morse code is in LISTENING, of intercepts, ELINT. The U.S. military does NOT use manual telegraphy for radio communications. [USN blinker lights are not radio] The Signal Corps is the communications branch of the Army. The Signal Center is at Fort Gordon, GA. The Signal Center doesn't teach any morse code receiving or sending. Katapult Kellie should valve off all that steam and join the rest of the world in this new millennium. Good luck on that one, now... LHA / WMD Even the FCC and VEC's quit administering a Morse sending test. They only administered a receiving test. Hmmmmm? Maybe the sending test would have been a disincentive to CW use on HF. There must be some mental block induced by too much morsemanship. The morsemen can't understand reality. Or, they are so immersed in their only radio service active in morsemenship that they are totally blind to all other radio services. Might be a good project for some PhD candidate in psychology as a Dissertation. Time has stopped for the morsemen. They continue to live in the past, imagining glories lives of navel high society, "hostile actions," mighty titles of importance, all from morsemanship credentialism. Back some 49 years ago, NATO released their phonetic alphabet. Phonetic alphabets are of no use for manual telegraphy...apply only to voice communications. Just the same, the morsemen keep insisting everyone still uses "CW" (manual on-off carrier keying telegraphy) for military communications. Their minds are warped, living in fantasies of their own beeping. LHA / WMD Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has unquestionably moved on and they have not. It brings me in mind of the Jethro Tull song "Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll, Too Young To Die", not just the title, but all the words. As any afficionado knows, this of course appeared on an album entitled "Living In The Past"! This is the ultimate anthem to clinging to youth, which we all tend to do, even those of us who can't stand that d*mn bleeping! Alun, wait until you attend some anniversary thing, like my wife and I did in 2001 for the 50th Reunion of our senior high school class in the midwest. Not only was that fun, it was an ice-water bath on "wanting" to recapture one's youth...or, for some others, to desperately seek to return. :-) If you listen to/read the lyrics of the whole song, you'll see that Ian Anderson saw it as no bad thing. What is truly pernicious, and constitutes the difference between him and them, is that so many morsemen want to drag others kicking and screaming into the past! I suggested Brainwashing was responsible some time ago. I've also said it was an extension of the human territorial imperative - their "turf." They MUST defend turf! What they did was so awesome, so perfect, and so hard, that all must exactly emulate their mighty and powerful accomplishments! Funny in a way. I described my military assignment at ADA a half century ago - which I wouldn't care to repeat at all - and all the beepers in here went bonkers. They screamed and hollered, called lots of bad names, made snarly comments about "trying to be superior, etc." when all it did for me was to convert me from the previous opinion of radio as "belonging to amateur style (of pre-WW2 days) as shown in ham mags" into the reality of big-leagues HF radio communications. ADA was only about the third largest in the Army net but it was impressive as heck in 1953 with three dozen HF transmitters and doing 220 thousand messages a month traffic in 1955. The general commentary was probably based on simple envy because only Hans Brakob in here has any comparable military communications experience. Jim Hampton comes close. Brian Burke was in military meteorology not communications but the met guys need radio communications. State Department isn't strictly military and most of the postings of that "foreign service" person weren't to massive messaging embassies. Since the U.S. military hasn't used manual telegraphy for fixed-point to fixed-point communications since 1948, the PCTA got all angry and frustrated about not not loving morsemanship or pledging allegiance to the key. [from time to time the Armenian judges chanted and demanded a recount...] It got worse after my initial posting about military radio experience. My whole career was labeled in the worst possible light, even to one saying all I said was a "lie" and so forth...that I "disgraced the IEEE" by existing. :-) It even got to the point where another professional in the industry started sneering and nastygraming about my (actual radio) experience as a design engineer...all because of not loving and cherishing morse...and for not following up on "life promises (always to be kept)" which became to bizarre for words. :-) Now there are long, lonnng, lonnnnng posts on politics and very one-sided emotional diatribes of presidential candidates where all that bandwidth could have been used for the actual subject heading (BPL) which is a direct threat to anyone who uses HF. Not one peep (except from me and Mike Coslo) on the subject of BPL. I guess that Raging Against People Never Met is the whole parcel of what this newsgrope is about... |
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#10
June 22nd 04, 02:32 AM
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"Alun" wrote in message ... Yes, they are living in the past. This has nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of their beloved mode, simply that the world has unquestionably moved on and they have not. The merits of the CW mode have been presented many times and in depth. It wasn't the "new" hams that came up with RTTY, packet, satellite, PSK31 and the many advances in ham radio communications. Instead, it was the experienced hams. The experienced hams have moved on while the new, inexperienced hams are too often afraid to experience the full range of ham activities and deny themselves the ability to make judgements based on personal experience. Too often they instead listen to other inexperienced hams and make decisions based on incomplete and inaccurate data. It was not the new hams that I heard last fall several days after the major flares and auroras discussing on SSB how they had to shift from PSK31 to CW as the auroral activity was causing terrible phase shifts in the PSK31 and how they had to wait to establish SSB communications until the effects of the flares had passed. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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