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Field Day Plans?
Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? I'll be on the air with the Amateur Radio Association of the Tonawandas as one of the W2SEX ops. We'll be running four stations (CW, HF Phone, HF Digital, and VHF/UHF) plus doing SSTV, ATV, and APRS demo modes, and we may also satellite contacts through SaudiSat I if it makes a pass at a good time and we fall into its footprint. Here's hoping we get to work some of you or your clubs' stations over the weekend. 73 and good luck during Field Day. Needless to say, I'll be absent from the NG over the weekend. 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
I'm FD Chairman for W3YA and W3GA (GOTA). We'll be doing a scaled down
Field day this year, as many of the people that usually help are committed to other things this year. We won't be able to put the big effort that we have for the past several years. We'll be 2A running 100 Watts all stations, some hombrew OCF wire antennas, and a half wave vertical on 20 meters where the GOTA will be spending a lot of it's time. We'll be right in the Center of PA in a beautiful location in a big field. We'll be doing SSB, CW, and PSK31. One of the volunteers will be doing the cooking for the operators. We'll be well fed and with good food. I'm really looking forward to FD this year, as it will be so different for us. - Mike KB3EIA - |
We will be a 5F station plus GOTA in CA. I have the GOTA station
responsibilities. GOTA will be on 40M thru 144 MHz. Phone, Data, and some CW (if we can find a CW op with no HF experience) 400 GOTA QSOs seems a bit high considering we will try and teach newbies how to operate. I think it is more important to tutor folks on HF and the digital modes than to run the 400 QSOs. Perhaps we can do both. For the GOTA station we will try PSK31 and RTTY for demo to newbies and of course to make contacts. Wonder if the 20M PSK31 segment will be jam packed and contacts will be feasible ?? Any PSK31 activity besides 20M for FD ??? This will be our first year trying the digital modes. Any comments on PSK31 during FD ??? -- Lamont Cranston The Shadow Knows -------------------------- "Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message ... Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? I'll be on the air with the Amateur Radio Association of the Tonawandas as one of the W2SEX ops. We'll be running four stations (CW, HF Phone, HF Digital, and VHF/UHF) plus doing SSTV, ATV, and APRS demo modes, and we may also satellite contacts through SaudiSat I if it makes a pass at a good time and we fall into its footprint. Here's hoping we get to work some of you or your clubs' stations over the weekend. 73 and good luck during Field Day. Needless to say, I'll be absent from the NG over the weekend. 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
"Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message ... Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? I'll be on the air with the Amateur Radio Association of the Tonawandas as one of the W2SEX ops. We'll be running four stations (CW, HF Phone, HF Digital, and VHF/UHF) plus doing SSTV, ATV, and APRS demo modes, and we may also satellite contacts through SaudiSat I if it makes a pass at a good time and we fall into its footprint. Here's hoping we get to work some of you or your clubs' stations over the weekend. 73 and good luck during Field Day. Needless to say, I'll be absent from the NG over the weekend. Well I hope to be participating in our club's Field Day activities but it's iffy at this point. It depends on when my doctor schedules my surgery, which I won't find out until Thursday. If he picks Friday, well there goes Field Day weekend. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote:
Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? Nothing fancy. Operating a Kenwood TS440SAT off commercial power at home. This gives the serious contesters someone to get a point with. |
Da Shadow wrote:
We will be a 5F station plus GOTA in CA. I have the GOTA station responsibilities. GOTA will be on 40M thru 144 MHz. Phone, Data, and some CW (if we can find a CW op with no HF experience) Oops, GOTA stations aren't on VHF, Shadow. The rule is: 4.1.1.6. The GOTA station may only operate on the Field Day HF Bands. Only one transmitted signal is allowed from the GOTA station at any time (see Field Day rule 4). So you are pretty much stuck to HF. 400 GOTA QSOs seems a bit high considering we will try and teach newbies how to operate. I think it is more important to tutor folks on HF and the digital modes than to run the 400 QSOs. Perhaps we can do both. It is high. The nice thing about the GOTA is that newbies and the inexperienced can hone their skills without affecting the more seasoned operators. My first field day was before the days of GOTA, and I knew very well that I was holding the score down a bit with my slowness. GOTA removes that. It's a great way to get started or get back in action. For the GOTA station we will try PSK31 and RTTY for demo to newbies and of course to make contacts. Wonder if the 20M PSK31 segment will be jam packed and contacts will be feasible ?? Any PSK31 activity besides 20M for FD ??? This will be our first year trying the digital modes. Any comments on PSK31 during FD ??? PSK31 was a BIG hit last year for us. People are in general, very receptive to the chat room type atmosphere on PSK31. A person that might be shy to talk will often be happy to type to another op. It was also a great way to contribute to the final score, since PSK contacts are worth 2 points each. I'm glad to see another mode that can get 2 points per QSO. Actually, I wish that all contacts were 1 point each. That won't happen for a long time tho'. PSK activity on 20 meters was pretty decent last year. There was enough traffic that we just stayed on 20. And by the time the band was finished for the night, the GOTA station was closed down. You might try 40, but I've never made a PSK contact there. 80 meters at night is pretty fair for PSK31, so if you can rig an antenna there, you should make some QSO's. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Da Shadow" wrote in message news:3TWBc.7547$5t2.5621@fed1read01... We will be a 5F station plus GOTA in CA. I have the GOTA station responsibilities. GOTA will be on 40M thru 144 MHz. Phone, Data, and some CW (if we can find a CW op with no HF experience) The GOTA station is not limited to people with no HF experience. It is for people with little experience or who have been off the air for a while. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Hi Mike -- well the FD rules read:
4.1.1. Any Class A group whose entry classification is two or more transmitters may also operate one additional HF station without changing its base entry category, known as the GET ON THE AIR (GOTA) station. 4.1.1.1. This station must operate using a different callsign from the primary Field Day station. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE THE VHF BANDS 4.1.1.4. The maximum transmitter output power for the GOTA station shall be 150 watts. If the primary Field Day group is claiming the QRP multiplier level of 5, the maximum transmitter output power of the GOTA station may not exceed 5 watts. 4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level. 4.1.1.6. The GOTA station may only operate on the Field Day HF Bands. Only one transmitted signal is allowed from the GOTA station at any time (see Field Day rule 4). THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE ON HF BANDS BUT NOT WARC BANDS 4.1.1.7. The GOTA station does not affect the additional VHF/UHF station provided for under Field Day rule 4.1.2. 4.1.1.8. Participants are reminded that non-licensed participants working under the direction of a valid control operator may only communicate with other W/VE stations or with stations in countries with which the US has entered a third-party agreement. 4.1.1.9. GOTA stations operate under a single callsign separate from the callsign of the main group. 4.1.1.10. The GOTA stations does not qualify as an additional transmitter when determining the number of transmitters eligible for the 100-point emergency power bonus under rule 7.3.1. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. So I read that as we can operate VHF no problem. -- Lamont Cranston The Shadow Knows "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Da Shadow wrote: We will be a 5F station plus GOTA in CA. I have the GOTA station responsibilities. GOTA will be on 40M thru 144 MHz. Phone, Data, and some CW (if we can find a CW op with no HF experience) Oops, GOTA stations aren't on VHF, Shadow. The rule is: 4.1.1.6. The GOTA station may only operate on the Field Day HF Bands. Only one transmitted signal is allowed from the GOTA station at any time (see Field Day rule 4). So you are pretty much stuck to HF. 400 GOTA QSOs seems a bit high considering we will try and teach newbies how to operate. I think it is more important to tutor folks on HF and the digital modes than to run the 400 QSOs. Perhaps we can do both. It is high. The nice thing about the GOTA is that newbies and the inexperienced can hone their skills without affecting the more seasoned operators. My first field day was before the days of GOTA, and I knew very well that I was holding the score down a bit with my slowness. GOTA removes that. It's a great way to get started or get back in action. For the GOTA station we will try PSK31 and RTTY for demo to newbies and of course to make contacts. Wonder if the 20M PSK31 segment will be jam packed and contacts will be feasible ?? Any PSK31 activity besides 20M for FD ??? This will be our first year trying the digital modes. Any comments on PSK31 during FD ??? PSK31 was a BIG hit last year for us. People are in general, very receptive to the chat room type atmosphere on PSK31. A person that might be shy to talk will often be happy to type to another op. It was also a great way to contribute to the final score, since PSK contacts are worth 2 points each. I'm glad to see another mode that can get 2 points per QSO. Actually, I wish that all contacts were 1 point each. That won't happen for a long time tho'. PSK activity on 20 meters was pretty decent last year. There was enough traffic that we just stayed on 20. And by the time the band was finished for the night, the GOTA station was closed down. You might try 40, but I've never made a PSK contact there. 80 meters at night is pretty fair for PSK31, so if you can rig an antenna there, you should make some QSO's. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Well the rule sez:
4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. How one interprets "generally inactive hams" is beyond me. -- Lamont Cranston The Shadow Knows "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ... "Da Shadow" wrote in message news:3TWBc.7547$5t2.5621@fed1read01... We will be a 5F station plus GOTA in CA. I have the GOTA station responsibilities. GOTA will be on 40M thru 144 MHz. Phone, Data, and some CW (if we can find a CW op with no HF experience) The GOTA station is not limited to people with no HF experience. It is for people with little experience or who have been off the air for a while. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Da Shadow wrote:
Hi Mike -- well the FD rules read: 4.1.1. Any Class A group whose entry classification is two or more transmitters may also operate one additional HF station without changing its base entry category, known as the GET ON THE AIR (GOTA) station. 4.1.1.1. This station must operate using a different callsign from the primary Field Day station. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE THE VHF BANDS 4.1.1.4. The maximum transmitter output power for the GOTA station shall be 150 watts. If the primary Field Day group is claiming the QRP multiplier level of 5, the maximum transmitter output power of the GOTA station may not exceed 5 watts. 4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level. 4.1.1.6. The GOTA station may only operate on the Field Day HF Bands. Only one transmitted signal is allowed from the GOTA station at any time (see Field Day rule 4). THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE ON HF BANDS BUT NOT WARC BANDS 4.1.1.7. The GOTA station does not affect the additional VHF/UHF station provided for under Field Day rule 4.1.2. 4.1.1.8. Participants are reminded that non-licensed participants working under the direction of a valid control operator may only communicate with other W/VE stations or with stations in countries with which the US has entered a third-party agreement. 4.1.1.9. GOTA stations operate under a single callsign separate from the callsign of the main group. 4.1.1.10. The GOTA stations does not qualify as an additional transmitter when determining the number of transmitters eligible for the 100-point emergency power bonus under rule 7.3.1. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. So I read that as we can operate VHF no problem. Your call. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Da Shadow wrote: Hi Mike -- well the FD rules read: 4.1.1. Any Class A group whose entry classification is two or more transmitters may also operate one additional HF station without changing its base entry category, known as the GET ON THE AIR (GOTA) station. 4.1.1.1. This station must operate using a different callsign from the primary Field Day station. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE THE VHF BANDS 4.1.1.4. The maximum transmitter output power for the GOTA station shall be 150 watts. If the primary Field Day group is claiming the QRP multiplier level of 5, the maximum transmitter output power of the GOTA station may not exceed 5 watts. 4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level. 4.1.1.6. The GOTA station may only operate on the Field Day HF Bands. Only one transmitted signal is allowed from the GOTA station at any time (see Field Day rule 4). THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE ON HF BANDS BUT NOT WARC BANDS 4.1.1.7. The GOTA station does not affect the additional VHF/UHF station provided for under Field Day rule 4.1.2. 4.1.1.8. Participants are reminded that non-licensed participants working under the direction of a valid control operator may only communicate with other W/VE stations or with stations in countries with which the US has entered a third-party agreement. 4.1.1.9. GOTA stations operate under a single callsign separate from the callsign of the main group. 4.1.1.10. The GOTA stations does not qualify as an additional transmitter when determining the number of transmitters eligible for the 100-point emergency power bonus under rule 7.3.1. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. So I read that as we can operate VHF no problem. Your call. - Mike KB3EIA - I just got off the phone to the ARRL. The fellow there confirms that the GOTA station is HF only. No VHF or UHF. If you want to confirm: 860-594-0232 - mike KB3EIA - |
Thanks Mike -- scratch the 6M beam and 2M beam -- Thanks Mike
I called the ARRL and sure enough they sed no VHF for the GOTA station Glad I posted here and got the ARRL rules figured out Sincere thanks -- Lamont Cranston The Shadow Knows "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Mike Coslo wrote: Da Shadow wrote: Hi Mike -- well the FD rules read: 4.1.1. Any Class A group whose entry classification is two or more transmitters may also operate one additional HF station without changing its base entry category, known as the GET ON THE AIR (GOTA) station. 4.1.1.1. This station must operate using a different callsign from the primary Field Day station. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE THE VHF BANDS 4.1.1.4. The maximum transmitter output power for the GOTA station shall be 150 watts. If the primary Field Day group is claiming the QRP multiplier level of 5, the maximum transmitter output power of the GOTA station may not exceed 5 watts. 4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level. 4.1.1.6. The GOTA station may only operate on the Field Day HF Bands. Only one transmitted signal is allowed from the GOTA station at any time (see Field Day rule 4). THIS SEZ TO ME WE CAN OPERATE ON HF BANDS BUT NOT WARC BANDS 4.1.1.7. The GOTA station does not affect the additional VHF/UHF station provided for under Field Day rule 4.1.2. 4.1.1.8. Participants are reminded that non-licensed participants working under the direction of a valid control operator may only communicate with other W/VE stations or with stations in countries with which the US has entered a third-party agreement. 4.1.1.9. GOTA stations operate under a single callsign separate from the callsign of the main group. 4.1.1.10. The GOTA stations does not qualify as an additional transmitter when determining the number of transmitters eligible for the 100-point emergency power bonus under rule 7.3.1. 4.1.1.2. The GOTA station may be operated by Novice, Technicians or generally inactive hams under their existing operating privileges, or under the direction of a Control Operator with appropriate privileges, as necessary. Non-licensed persons may participate under the direct supervision of an appropriate control operator. A list of operators and participants must be included on the required summary sheet to ARRL HQ. 4.1.1.3. This station may operate on any valid Field Day band and mode. As per FCC rules, this station must have a valid control operator present if operating beyond the license privileges of the participant using the station. So I read that as we can operate VHF no problem. Your call. - Mike KB3EIA - I just got off the phone to the ARRL. The fellow there confirms that the GOTA station is HF only. No VHF or UHF. If you want to confirm: 860-594-0232 - mike KB3EIA - |
Da Shadow wrote:
Thanks Mike -- scratch the 6M beam and 2M beam -- Thanks Mike I called the ARRL and sure enough they sed no VHF for the GOTA station Glad I posted here and got the ARRL rules figured out Sincere thanks No problem Lamont - I'm just glad you folks didn't have to throw away a bunch of QSO's from your score! - Mike KB3EIA |
In article , "Kim"
writes: Plans, yes. But not related to Field Day; My husband and I will be celebrating our 15th Wedding Anniversary with a housewarming and renewal of vows! L'chaim! Happy for you, Kim. Many more! Len Anderson |
"Da Shadow" wrote in message news:zI0Cc.394$hX6.30@fed1read01... Thanks Mike -- scratch the 6M beam and 2M beam -- Thanks Mike I called the ARRL and sure enough they sed no VHF for the GOTA station Glad I posted here and got the ARRL rules figured out Sincere thanks You could still set up a separate VHF/UHF station though. Our club often does and anyone with a Tech license or higher could be a control op of that station. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? Ahh it's the time of year when I wake up Monday morning with CW in my head ........ I only do this once a year as I don't really like to put my hand on an anvil and hit it with 5 lb mallet. But like I always say what ever floats one's boat. The W3CSL ..Monessen Club will be on the air from the Mon-Valley YMCA picnic grove. Catch those who are so inclined on the air. Good luck .. Be safe ...God Bless ... Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa |
On 2004-06-22, Da Shadow wrote:
Wonder if the 20M PSK31 segment will be jam packed and contacts will be feasible ?? Any PSK31 activity besides 20M for FD ??? This will be our first year trying the digital modes. Any comments on PSK31 during FD ??? I will be running a GOTA station using my call along with club call W2ZQ (2A SNJ). The GOTA station will be on 20/40 psk & RTTY, possibly 15 also. -- Alex / AB2RC Yaesu FT100 software for Linux http://www.qsl.net/kc2ivl Why do they call Radio "Wireless", between my shack and antennas I must have over 1500 feet of wire! |
"Da Shadow" wrote in message news:pIgCc.1555$hX6.593@fed1read01... [snip] Am disappointed that the GOTA station can not operate VHF. Would be a great opportunity to demonstrate 2M SSB and 6M operation if we had some sporadic E propagation. But the main stations setup will include a VHF/UHF/Satellite station. ATV and APRS will demo as well. Thanks to the group for the help and suggestions. I suggest putting your VHF etc station close to the GOTA station. That way people will see it and check it out. People are also intrigued by seeing a Morse code operator so you might have your overall layout designed to lead people from station to station. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Da Shadow wrote: 400 GOTA QSOs seems a bit high considering we will try and teach newbies how to operate. I think it is more important to tutor folks on HF and the digital modes than to run the 400 QSOs. Perhaps we can do both. It is high. The nice thing about the GOTA is that newbies and the inexperienced can hone their skills without affecting the more seasoned operators. My first field day was before the days of GOTA, and I knew very well that I was holding the score down a bit with my slowness. GOTA removes that. It's a great way to get started or get back in action. I agree 100% on the purpose of GOTA but I think you guys both misunderstand this rule: "4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level." The GOTA station is limited to a *maximum* of 400 QSOs. You cannot count GOTA QSOs for credit beyond 400. I think the reason for this rule, and the very loose definition of who can run the GOTA station, is to keep the GOTA stations busy yet focused on the truly inexperienced. If you work *at least* 100 GOTA QSOs, you get 100 additional points beyond the QSO points themselves. So the strategy is to work exactly 400 GOTA QSOs. That's less than 17 per hour if you go straight through. 17 per hour is more than 3 minutes per QSO. The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Of course there are rigs and techniques that can handle all that RF. But that's another subject... 73 es GL de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Da Shadow wrote: 400 GOTA QSOs seems a bit high considering we will try and teach newbies how to operate. I think it is more important to tutor folks on HF and the digital modes than to run the 400 QSOs. Perhaps we can do both. It is high. The nice thing about the GOTA is that newbies and the inexperienced can hone their skills without affecting the more seasoned operators. My first field day was before the days of GOTA, and I knew very well that I was holding the score down a bit with my slowness. GOTA removes that. It's a great way to get started or get back in action. I agree 100% on the purpose of GOTA but I think you guys both misunderstand this rule: "4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level." Nope, no misunderstanding. I just mean that 400 QSO's is a very high number to pick up on the GOTA station. I doubt many clubs get there. The GOTA station is limited to a *maximum* of 400 QSOs. You cannot count GOTA QSOs for credit beyond 400. I think the reason for this rule, and the very loose definition of who can run the GOTA station, is to keep the GOTA stations busy yet focused on the truly inexperienced. If you work *at least* 100 GOTA QSOs, you get 100 additional points beyond the QSO points themselves. Kerect! So the strategy is to work exactly 400 GOTA QSOs. That's less than 17 per hour if you go straight through. 17 per hour is more than 3 minutes per QSO. True, but I'd expect no GOTA stations will be in solid use. I've been supervising our club GOTA station since the concept started, and at least our typical day goes similar to a few people here, and a few there. I think only one person at our station ever went beyond 25 QSO's. And those QSO's aren't super quick. In addition, there is often an instructional period, where they learn about the exchange, and pertinent operating technique, that sort of stuff. The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Yup. I would highly suggest a 5F group try to put up a Beverage antenna as their common receive antenna, and get it as far away as the FD rules allow 1000 foot circle that all the equipment has to be in. Don't know if that EOC center will accommodate that or not. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"N2EY" wrote in message om... I agree 100% on the purpose of GOTA but I think you guys both misunderstand this rule: NOPE UNDERSTAND THE RULES "4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level." ROGER The GOTA station is limited to a *maximum* of 400 QSOs. You cannot count GOTA QSOs for credit beyond 400. ROGER I think the reason for this rule, and the very loose definition of who can run the GOTA station, is to keep the GOTA stations busy yet focused on the truly inexperienced. If you work *at least* 100 GOTA QSOs, you get 100 additional points beyond the QSO points themselves. ROGER So the strategy is to work exactly 400 GOTA QSOs. That's less than 17 per hour if you go straight through. 17 per hour is more than 3 minutes per QSO. NO PROBLEM FOR AN EXPERIENCED OP -- FOR NEWBIES TIS A SLOW GO WE HAD A SHEET TO TUTOR HOW TO CALL CQ AND SEARCH AND POUNCE WE HAD A LIST OF THE ARRL SECTION ABBREVIATIONS __ THESE HELPED WE HAD 287 QSO's LAST YEAR OVER THE 24 HOUR PERIOD BANDS MAY BE POOR AT 10M and 15M. The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... INDEED WE HAD THAT PROBLEM BUT USED FILTERS WHICH HELPED Of course there are rigs and techniques that can handle all that RF. But that's another subject... 73 es GL de Jim, N2EY Lamont Cranston The Shadow Knows |
N2EY wrote:
The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Of course there are rigs and techniques that can handle all that RF. But that's another subject... The tag team of N8NN and K8MN will participate in the Marshall County ARES group's effort from Grandview Park, overlooking Moundsville, WV. Bert and I will make up a CW team, operating one of the five or six stations. We've already done some scouting of the old driving range where the group will set up and have found a place a little removed from the rest of the stations so as to minimize interference to/from them. It also has a couple of nice trees for use in draping that 200' flattop fed with open wire line. The call will be W8CAL. Dave K8MN |
In article , Mike Coslo writes:
N2EY wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Da Shadow wrote: 400 GOTA QSOs seems a bit high considering we will try and teach newbies how to operate. I think it is more important to tutor folks on HF and the digital modes than to run the 400 QSOs. Perhaps we can do both. It is high. The nice thing about the GOTA is that newbies and the inexperienced can hone their skills without affecting the more seasoned operators. My first field day was before the days of GOTA, and I knew very well that I was holding the score down a bit with my slowness. GOTA removes that. It's a great way to get started or get back in action. I agree 100% on the purpose of GOTA but I think you guys both misunderstand this rule: "4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level." Nope, no misunderstanding. I just mean that 400 QSO's is a very high number to pick up on the GOTA station. I doubt many clubs get there. OK! The GOTA station is limited to a *maximum* of 400 QSOs. You cannot count GOTA QSOs for credit beyond 400. I think the reason for this rule, and the very loose definition of who can run the GOTA station, is to keep the GOTA stations busy yet focused on the truly inexperienced. If you work *at least* 100 GOTA QSOs, you get 100 additional points beyond the QSO points themselves. Kerect! So the strategy is to work exactly 400 GOTA QSOs. That's less than 17 per hour if you go straight through. 17 per hour is more than 3 minutes per QSO. True, but I'd expect no GOTA stations will be in solid use. I've been supervising our club GOTA station since the concept started, and at least our typical day goes similar to a few people here, and a few there. I think only one person at our station ever went beyond 25 QSO's. And those QSO's aren't super quick. In addition, there is often an instructional period, where they learn about the exchange, and pertinent operating technique, that sort of stuff. Sure. Point is, though, that by setting the number at 400, we don't have the problem of having to shut the GOTA station down because the quota has been reached. The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Yup. I would highly suggest a 5F group try to put up a Beverage antenna as their common receive antenna, and get it as far away as the FD rules allow 1000 foot circle that all the equipment has to be in. Don't know if that EOC center will accommodate that or not. Why a Beverage? It receives well in one direction only, but in most of the USA you need more than one direction. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Da Shadow wrote: 400 GOTA QSOs seems a bit high considering we will try and teach newbies how to operate. I think it is more important to tutor folks on HF and the digital modes than to run the 400 QSOs. Perhaps we can do both. It is high. The nice thing about the GOTA is that newbies and the inexperienced can hone their skills without affecting the more seasoned operators. My first field day was before the days of GOTA, and I knew very well that I was holding the score down a bit with my slowness. GOTA removes that. It's a great way to get started or get back in action. I agree 100% on the purpose of GOTA but I think you guys both misunderstand this rule: "4.1.1.5. A maximum of 400 QSOs made by this station may be claimed for credit by its primary Field Day operation. A 100-point bonus may be claimed by the primary Field Day operation if the GOTA station reaches the 100 QSO level." Nope, no misunderstanding. I just mean that 400 QSO's is a very high number to pick up on the GOTA station. I doubt many clubs get there. OK! The GOTA station is limited to a *maximum* of 400 QSOs. You cannot count GOTA QSOs for credit beyond 400. I think the reason for this rule, and the very loose definition of who can run the GOTA station, is to keep the GOTA stations busy yet focused on the truly inexperienced. If you work *at least* 100 GOTA QSOs, you get 100 additional points beyond the QSO points themselves. Kerect! So the strategy is to work exactly 400 GOTA QSOs. That's less than 17 per hour if you go straight through. 17 per hour is more than 3 minutes per QSO. True, but I'd expect no GOTA stations will be in solid use. I've been supervising our club GOTA station since the concept started, and at least our typical day goes similar to a few people here, and a few there. I think only one person at our station ever went beyond 25 QSO's. And those QSO's aren't super quick. In addition, there is often an instructional period, where they learn about the exchange, and pertinent operating technique, that sort of stuff. Sure. Point is, though, that by setting the number at 400, we don't have the problem of having to shut the GOTA station down because the quota has been reached. Well true, but in that vein of thought, we might as well not have a limit at all. FWIW, I don't mind limits on the GOTA station, mainly because I'm the control op for our club. I sit with the newbies and hams getting back into the fold all day, and then after the station closes down, I can kick in the afterburners on the night shift. I've made good friends working the overnight. (yeah, us crazies gotta stick together!) The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Yup. I would highly suggest a 5F group try to put up a Beverage antenna as their common receive antenna, and get it as far away as the FD rules allow 1000 foot circle that all the equipment has to be in. Don't know if that EOC center will accommodate that or not. Why a Beverage? It receives well in one direction only, but in most of the USA you need more than one direction. When you use a multiple wavelength Beverage the directivity isn't quite as bad. (or good - depending on what you are trying to achieve) I don't recall the length of ours, but it was at least 2 wavelengths on 80 meters. In any event, it quieted the interference between the rigs, and I don't recall any significant losses to the east of us, since we still heard the stations in that direction. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Well I hope to be participating in our club's Field Day activities but it's iffy at this point. It depends on when my doctor schedules my surgery, which I won't find out until Thursday. If he picks Friday, well there goes Field Day weekend. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE The best there Dee .....I'll put a good word in for you tonight .... God Bless ..... Tom KI3R |
In article , Mike Coslo
writes: Sure. Point is, though, that by setting the number at 400, we don't have the problem of having to shut the GOTA station down because the quota has been reached. Well true, but in that vein of thought, we might as well not have a limit at all. If we didn't, it becomes like another station only without being put in the totals. FWIW, I don't mind limits on the GOTA station, mainly because I'm the control op for our club. I sit with the newbies and hams getting back into the fold all day, and then after the station closes down, I can kick in the afterburners on the night shift. I've made good friends working the overnight. (yeah, us crazies gotta stick together!) Oyez!First time I did that was...1968? The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Yup. I would highly suggest a 5F group try to put up a Beverage antenna as their common receive antenna, and get it as far away as the FD rules allow 1000 foot circle that all the equipment has to be in. Don't know if that EOC center will accommodate that or not. Why a Beverage? It receives well in one direction only, but in most of the USA you need more than one direction. When you use a multiple wavelength Beverage the directivity isn't quite as bad. (or good - depending on what you are trying to achieve) I don't recall the length of ours, but it was at least 2 wavelengths on 80 meters. 2 wavelenghts on 80 is over 500 feet... In any event, it quieted the interference between the rigs, and I don't recall any significant losses to the east of us, since we still heard the stations in that direction. Thye physical separation alone may have been the trick. Seems to me the optimum setup for a multi is to put the stations on the rim of a circle and the generator in the center. Adjacent stations are on widely different bands and modes. Antennas are just inside the 1000 foot line. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. Decided to run on my own as a
matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. Not sure which classification I will be running yet, but will be using 3 transmitters, on battery power, occasionally charged by a vehicle's electrical system, but the batteries won't be located in the vehicle. And I will be operating from our fire department's parking lot of which I am a member of. Now, would I be a B, C, or F station, and also, does the number mean persons or transmitters?? I am thinking if it means number of transmitters, I might be a 3B, 3C, or 3F possibly..... If it means persons, then I might be a 1B, 1C, or 1F station..... Any suggestions? A little confused with the field day rules. Ryan KC8PMX "Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message ... Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? I'll be on the air with the Amateur Radio Association of the Tonawandas as one of the W2SEX ops. We'll be running four stations (CW, HF Phone, HF Digital, and VHF/UHF) plus doing SSTV, ATV, and APRS demo modes, and we may also satellite contacts through SaudiSat I if it makes a pass at a good time and we fall into its footprint. Here's hoping we get to work some of you or your clubs' stations over the weekend. 73 and good luck during Field Day. Needless to say, I'll be absent from the NG over the weekend. 73 DE John D. Kasupski Tonawanda, New York, USA Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN |
Subject: Field Day Plans?
From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? Not sure which classification I will be running yet, but will be using 3 transmitters, on battery power, occasionally charged by a vehicle's electrical system, but the batteries won't be located in the vehicle. And I will be operating from our fire department's parking lot of which I am a member of. I had hoped to not be working this weekend, however I'm stuck. Quite a few years ago I had built a small wind generator and had it on the roof of the barracks I was in. It charged two marine (no pun intended) deep cycle trolling motor batteries and those in turn ran my ICOM IC-730. I ran it at 35-50 watts CW and I ran out beofre the batteries did! I've been wanting to build another, and perhaps I will before next Field Day. 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote: The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Of course there are rigs and techniques that can handle all that RF. But that's another subject... The tag team of N8NN and K8MN will participate in the Marshall County ARES group's effort from Grandview Park, overlooking Moundsville, WV. Bert and I will make up a CW team, operating one of the five or six stations. We've already done some scouting of the old driving range where the group will set up and have found a place a little removed from the rest of the stations so as to minimize interference to/from them. It also has a couple of nice trees for use in draping that 200' flattop fed with open wire line. The call will be W8CAL. Watch for N2EY/W3RV . . . Dave K8MN |
Brian Kelly wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... N2EY wrote: The big problem with the GOTA station in a 5F group is interference. It's bad enough when two stations of different modes try to use the same band at the same time, but when the GOTA folks show up on the same band.... Of course there are rigs and techniques that can handle all that RF. But that's another subject... The tag team of N8NN and K8MN will participate in the Marshall County ARES group's effort from Grandview Park, overlooking Moundsville, WV. Bert and I will make up a CW team, operating one of the five or six stations. We've already done some scouting of the old driving range where the group will set up and have found a place a little removed from the rest of the stations so as to minimize interference to/from them. It also has a couple of nice trees for use in draping that 200' flattop fed with open wire line. The call will be W8CAL. Watch for N2EY/W3RV . . . I have no doubt that we'll work you fellas. I don't think we'll hear a peep from the California Halfwatt though. Dave K8MN |
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
I have no doubt that we'll work you fellas. I don't think we'll hear a peep from the California Halfwatt though. Dave K8MN I thought you were some kind of significat DXer? Forget how to pull the weak ones through? A half watt should make the trip without problem. |
"Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message ... Field Day is next weekend. Anybody in the group here have plans? Look for W0EF 2A MN and K0RT 7A MN |
Subject: Field Day Plans and the GOTA station ??
From: (William) Date: 6/25/2004 6:08 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Dave Heil wrote in message ... I have no doubt that we'll work you fellas. I don't think we'll hear a peep from the California Halfwatt though. Dave K8MN I thought you were some kind of significat DXer? Forget how to pull the weak ones through? A half watt should make the trip without problem. The problem here, Brain, is that there is NO allocation, other than 11 meters, where your "mentor" can run a half watt in ANY mode that will travel more than line-of-sight. I see "Dollar General" has a nice little FRS radios for $8.00 each. Maybe wecan get one for you and one for Lennie and see if you two can "hook up"...?!?! I am sure the "radio professional" can make it happen... Steve, K4YZ |
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Subject: Field Day Plans and the GOTA station ??
From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/26/2004 1:52 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Nursie no see, no LOS. Poor nursie. Skip class, skip propagation. Nursie do magic again. Spell "wiccan" wrong. Nursie snarl. Too much drool. Snarl spoiled. Nursie show hum radio all about hating other radio. Nursie not play well other people. The following post was published by an allegedly college educated "professional" engineer. One who claims to have worked "in the aerospace industry". No wonder NASA is down two shuttles. Steve, K4YZ |
"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message ... Subject: Field Day Plans? From: "Ryan, KC8PMX" Date: 6/24/2004 11:20 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Will be running KC8PMX on 50Mhz-450Mhz bands. I was thinking a shorter call would help, but I ran those phonetics thru my mind a couple times, and "PAPA MIKE X-RAY" seems to me to be rather prominent. It's not too bad, although I wished I would have gotten a different call when originally assigned. I might purposefully go for the vanity call of K8KEA, just to be a pain in the ass because our club call is W8KEA. hi hi Decided to run on my own as a matter of passive resistance to the local club's field day planner. Field day is supposed to be an emergency preparedness scenario, and there is nothing close to that from what I see of the plans locally here. How's that, Ryan...??? Too much of the picnic-in-the-park thing? No, just a kind of passive resistance thing. I seriously do not agree with the person who is our field day planner and club vicepresident. I am not the only one boycotting the club field day either.... It has been chosen solely by him to be placed at one of the high schools out in the county (as opposed to the city) where there is little traffic on the weekends (passing by the school that is). Field Day should be at least 50% PROMOTIONAL as well as 50% emergency simulation. Since it is not an actual emergency simulation since we all clearly know when it is going to be, AND of course get to chose where we set up, just how does that qualify as emergency planning/communications. Yes there is the PREPLANNING but on our fire department we dont get to know when our next medical call or car accident or house fire is, we just respond and deal with it as best as we can. In a real emergency, we may be required to set up in an area less that to be desired, such as a parking lot. Or an open field without those natural antenna supports..... Also, we would not normally know when that emergency would occur....... Maybe, at least if it was changed to where we DO know the weekend it is gonna be, BUT each countie's EC/RO or emergency services director decides the location??? I still believe that the PR value of Field Day far outwieghs any other aspect of field day. Not sure which classification I will be running yet, but will be using 3 transmitters, on battery power, occasionally charged by a vehicle's electrical system, but the batteries won't be located in the vehicle. And I will be operating from our fire department's parking lot of which I am a member of. I had hoped to not be working this weekend, however I'm stuck. I can relate.... have had to work weekends in the past too on that same weekend. Quite a few years ago I had built a small wind generator and had it on the roof of the barracks I was in. It charged two marine (no pun intended) deep cycle trolling motor batteries and those in turn ran my ICOM IC-730. I ran it at 35-50 watts CW and I ran out beofre the batteries did! I've been wanting to build another, and perhaps I will before next Field Day. 73 Steve, K4YZ I have been contemplating some type of solar charging system, but will be looking into various costs of doing so. Since my operation will be operating at a park picnic table, with my car near by, solar panels small enough to transport but large enough to provide adequate surface charging/and usage for daytime, so that when the evening comes, I can start will full batteries would be nice. Well, I have a whole year now to work on that! :) Ryan KC8PMX |
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: Field Day Plans and the GOTA station ?? From: (Len Over 21) Date: 6/26/2004 1:52 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: Nursie no see, no LOS. Poor nursie. Skip class, skip propagation. Nursie do magic again. Spell "wiccan" wrong. Nursie snarl. Too much drool. Snarl spoiled. Nursie show hum radio all about hating other radio. Nursie not play well other people. The following post was published by an allegedly college educated "professional" engineer. One who claims to have worked "in the aerospace industry". No wonder NASA is down two shuttles. Tsk. Nursie repeat twice. Not nice. Nursie allatime do hate, rage, mean diss and curse. Not hum raddio. Not good. Pop, vein, pop. Pop go da weasel. Temper fry... LHA / WMD |
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