N2EY wrote:


Let's do a little survey: What options are available where you live, and at
what price?

Here in Radnor, besides dialup, I can choose cable access at $42.95/month, or
DSL access at as low as $29.95/month. No BPL, thankfully.

How about others?

I have cable. I'm paying less than you, but I'm not sure exactly how
much. DSL is available,as well as some kind of wireless. We certainly
don't need BPL.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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N2EY wrote:


Let's do a little survey: What options are available where you live, and
at
what price?

Here in Radnor, besides dialup, I can choose cable access at
$42.95/month, or
DSL access at as low as $29.95/month. No BPL, thankfully.

How about others?

I have cable. I'm paying less than you, but I'm not sure exactly how
much. DSL is available,as well as some kind of wireless. We certainly
don't need BPL.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Here around the Detroit area, there is dialup, WIFI, DSL, and cable. Some
areas have all of these available while some "only" have three choices.

Dialup is as low as $9.95 and cable can be had for $29.95 for the first 6
months (it rises after that to about $49.95 but with the competition, it may
stay down). WIFI and DSL are around the $30 mark.

As I've stated before, BPL can only "make it" if it is as cheap as dialup
and as fast and reliable as cable, in my opinion.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Subject: response to UPLC new release/comments on BPL
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 7/3/2004 8:27 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: response to UPLC new release/comments on BPL
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 7/2/2004 8:09 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:
[snip]
"Mitigation" is four syllables, Mike, so right away you lost half
the
population's ability to make any sense of it...

"Republican" is four syllables, too.....;-)

No wonder the Democrats are so successful. The word Democrat is only three
syllables!

Less work for those socio-economically depressed people to utter on thier
way to the bank in thier SUV's.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

"Republican" is four syllables, too.....;-)

No wonder the Democrats are so successful. The word Democrat is only three
syllables!

Less work for those socio-economically depressed people to utter on thier
way to the bank in thier SUV's.

"Bush" is only one syllable....;-)

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

That's because they're not educated about how things work. Of course,
education
costs time and money, and educated customers are harder to please.

Mostly money.

Not really.

A one or two page pamphlet of what can be expected couldn't cost more
than a few extra cents to include in the device.

Fraction of a cent in quantity.

Problem is, the customer has to *read* and *understand* it.

Of course if the consumer KNEW what they really needed to, they might
demand that the things be properly engineered and manufactured in the first
place!

Exactly! But that would raise the price, which would cut into sales. And
getting mfrs. to do it would probably require government regulations more
strict than those now in effect...

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Even if a person is completely ignorant of how BPL works, wouldn't the
average person get a little suspicious when we are told that it doesn't
interfere, and then a few lines later, we are told of mitigation
methods? If it doesn't interfere, there is no need for interference
mitigation.

You would think so, but that's not how it works.

Take cell phones. How many "average people" really know the most basic
things
about how they work? I'm not talking about CDMA or even analog vs. digital,
but
just the idea that they are little radio transceivers? Look at the people
opposing cell towers as "sources of radiation" - yet demanding perfect
coverage, and holding the dern things next to their heads for many minutes
per
day. Note how the solutions that have evolved have included disguised sites,
and the use of more cells with reduced coverage. "Inverse square law"?
Puhleeze!

Why do you think the 'phone folks revived the term "wireless"?

Because the "'phone folks" did NOT "revive" it.

Yes, they did.

The term "wireless" of modern use came from the LAN people,
those who design and make Local Area Networks. The first
LANs were WIRED.

I know, Len, I've run the wires for them.

Wiring can be expensive and cumbersome in
most areas so the LAN folks brought in low-power RF linking, or
"wireless LANs." That was popular and grew.

So?

"Wireless" as the word is used now is almost anything not needing
wires to connect audio, video, or data over short distances.

Why not use the word "radio"?

An automobile was once referred to as a "horseless buggy."

Horseless carriage.

That
kind of description hasn't been in use much in either today's
society nor even that of my childhood.

Really?

For the same reason,
modern society does NOT think of "wireless' as anything like the
old 1920s term of radio.

No.

"Radio" was known as "wireless" as a shortened version of "wireless telegraph"
or "wireless telephone". The term stuck around much longer in British
Commonwealth countries - well into WW2 at least.

If the "'phone folks" called cellular anything, it was "mobile."
It still is and many industry folks refer to it as "mobile,"
synonymous with "cell" and "cellular."

Maybe where you are. But around here the term "wireless" is used
interchangeably.

The point is that they avoided the use of the word "radio". "Wireless" sounds
new and exciting to people who don't know it's a recycled term.

[count on another argument and ignitor of potential flame wars
concerning the above...some folks don't stop at mere facts in
here when it comes to wanting to fight...:-) ]

You must have written that looking in the mirror, Len, because you never let
the facts stand in your way...

In article ,
Robert Casey wrote:

| All of these methods are many many many times more expensive than just
| running coax or fiber alongside the power line and using that for
| data.
|
| Or is there some sort of magic, yet cheap, shielding that they could
| do that I'm just not aware of?
|
| There's conduit and to a lesser extent BX wiring in the house, but
| nobody's going to change out the romex to get this shielding. And
| you still have all those unshielded portable power cords feeding
| table lamps, toasters, TV sets and such...

Yes, but conduit and BX wiring will cost more than an eqivilent length
of coax or fiber ... right? I don't see any shielding as happening --
if any sort of shielding is required, it'll just be cheaper to use
something other than BPL.

--
Doug McLaren,
Schrodinger's cat may have died for your sins.

Dee D. Flint wrote:

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article ,

(Steve

Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Subject: response to UPLC new release/comments on BPL
From: Mike Coslo
Date: 7/2/2004 8:09 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

[snip]

"Mitigation" is four syllables, Mike, so right away you lost half

the

population's ability to make any sense of it...

"Republican" is four syllables, too.....;-)


No wonder the Democrats are so successful. The word Democrat is only three
syllables!

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


If it had more than three they wouldn't be able to pronounce it.