"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over $48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on the bands are smokers, too.

I was a smoker for about 40 years (quit 7 years ago) and am a lifelong
unrepentent metabolizer of modest amounts of adult (spirited) beverages.
My only citation from the FCC was for sending Morse code at 24WPM where
the rules specified 20WPM as maximum. Sunvagun!

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB
24WPM Discipline Problem

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license
that is over $48M a year for the General Treasury coffers.

No it isn't, because the 650K would dwindle within a decade to somewhere
around 20K if a 10-year license renewal cost $750.00.

Then, with only 20K licensed amateurs the service would be folded up as
a poor reason to occupy the valuable spectrum it holds.


Bingo, Hans. Game, set, match.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

73,

Me

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...

"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community,
the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

me wrote:

Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

Since when does anyone here care about you?

I didn't say anyone did, you did my boy.

ME

"JJ" wrote in message
...
me wrote:

Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

Since when does anyone here care about you?

Dee D. Flint wrote:
Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

They used to require Morse code. The testing requirements could be
removed just as easily as the Morse requirements were.

--
Spammers are people who are too lazy and cowardly to rob liquor stores, but
still want to make money by stealing instead of working.
-- Morely Dotes, The Open Sourceror's Apprentice

In article , clifto
writes:

Dee D. Flint wrote:
Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

They used to require Morse code. The testing requirements could be
removed just as easily as the Morse requirements were.

And arguments very similar or identical to those used against the Morse code
exams can be used against almost all of the writtens, too.

Heck, lookat the NCVEC "Communicator" proposal...

73 de Jim, N2EY

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , clifto
writes:

Dee D. Flint wrote:
Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

They used to require Morse code. The testing requirements could be
removed just as easily as the Morse requirements were.

And arguments very similar or identical to those used against the Morse code
exams can be used against almost all of the writtens, too.

Heck, lookat the NCVEC "Communicator" proposal...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Heck, "A Morse Code exam would be a disincentive to Morse Code use."

"me" wrote in
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:

Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I
also believe that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

"Burp not Burr" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Minnie Bannister" wrote in
message ...
The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
$20.80. This is for a 10-year license.

Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
course of a 10-Year period...........

How much do you wanna bet however that the
average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)

For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
$1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.

After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
pizza hut afterwards.

El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )







You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way off.

Alun wrote in message . ..
"me" wrote in
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:

Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I
also believe that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

"Burp not Burr" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Minnie Bannister" wrote in
message ...
The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
$20.80. This is for a 10-year license.

Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
course of a 10-Year period...........

How much do you wanna bet however that the
average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)

For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
$1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.

After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
pizza hut afterwards.

El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )







You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way off.

Alun, are you saying that its the vanity people that require them most
regulatory attention, and thus should pay more?