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July 16th 04, 12:07 PM
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July 16th 04, 03:24 PM
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Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/16/2004 6:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety organization. Just a hobby involving radio. It's not "just a hobby". Unfortuantely for Lennie the FACTS are that Amateur Radio DOES provide a service to the nation, that service does, incidentally, benefit the Armed Forces, and is an ever-increasing presence in public service plans at all levels, local to federal. But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby", does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules? Only if you're a night-school trained ex radio technician on a mission to berate anyone else who even hints at an interest in radio you deem inferior to your own. AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. When did it cease, Len? There's a dozen of us in this forum alone who hold current licensure and who are proficient in Morse Code. Seems like it "ain't over yet" to me... And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. That's a LennieRant issue, Jim. Even when the current context DOESN'T include Morse Code, he'll interject it and then claim we (licensees) are the ones obsessed with it. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? And who said? Was there a Presidential Executive Order? Did Congress ammend the Constitution? Did the FCC and NTIA prohibit the use of Morse Code for thier respective services? Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. More spin crappola. Well, at least you're honest about your content ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) I get the feeling there's a LOT of crappola in the Anderson residence. The influential morsemen at the League managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and "importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in to their demands. When was this? And in what alternate universe? "Morse playground"...?!?! There's only two slices of Morse-only spectrum, both are in the VHF range, and were lobbied for by weak signal operators anxious to see a part of the spectrum protected for thier work...Mostly EME and meteor scatter techniques, but the sues are growing. The "pool of trained operators" thing came from FCC, not ARRL. You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities. The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't care to do but does it anyway to get the reward. So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so. How many kids have you raised, Len? Including himself? Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so. You aren't. But that's what he perceives himself as... Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio. Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy? It makes Lennie nervous. He shot blanks all his life, and now any discussion of kids get's him wound up. That's why he wanted to exert some "parental control" over younger licensees with that age limit crap. Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair. Pair of what, Len? What ever they are, I bet Lennie doesn't have a pair of them...Maybe a pair of slippers or glasses...Nothing else. You aren't a radioactive au pair and this ain't the Children's Hour (even is some of the other extras act like children). The most childish performance I see here is yours, Len. Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW playground and should be happy. What *are* you talking about, Len? Professional communicators they ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro. If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an amateur. So V E R Y glad! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#74
July 16th 04, 11:02 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/16/2004 6:07 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety organization. Just a hobby involving radio. It's not "just a hobby". Unfortuantely for Lennie the FACTS are that Amateur Radio DOES provide a service to the nation, that service does, incidentally, benefit the Armed Forces, and is an ever-increasing presence in public service plans at all levels, local to federal. Wow! Da gunnery nurse DID put on his best Class As and pose for another recruiting poster! "The Amateur Corps wants YOU! unca sam pointing finger " "The Few, the Very Proud, the United States Amateur Corps!" Riiiiight. All over America the recruiters are attending ham club meetings, shaking hands with members and urging them to fill a vital need in their military branches with Mighty Macho Morsemen from the 5th service branch, hum raddio. Salute! But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby", does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules? Only if you're a night-school trained ex radio technician on a mission to berate anyone else who even hints at an interest in radio you deem inferior to your own. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Da gunnery nurse is spitting and spluttering again. Foam at the mouth. Seizures next? Not a pretty sight. AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. When did it cease, Len? There's a dozen of us in this forum alone who hold current licensure and who are proficient in Morse Code. Wow! I'll bet NO ONE has as pretty a set of dress blues as da gunnery nurse dill sergeant of the Amateur Corps! Must wear white gloves when busy beeping. Seems like it "ain't over yet" to me... Any time now... :-) And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. That's a LennieRant issue, Jim. Even when the current context DOESN'T include Morse Code, he'll interject it and then claim we (licensees) are the ones obsessed with it. You are. QED. :-) The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? And who said? Was there a Presidential Executive Order? Did Congress ammend the Constitution? Did the FCC and NTIA prohibit the use of Morse Code for thier respective services? Poor nursie still living in his fantasy world. Tsk, tsk. He doesn't get out beyond checking out "paid services," I guess. Even maritime radio has gone over to SSB voice and data modes for open-ocean communications. That and satellite relay. NO other radio service besides amateur radio uses any morse code modes for communications. Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. More spin crappola. Well, at least you're honest about your content ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) I get the feeling there's a LOT of crappola in the Anderson residence. Which residence? :-) The influential morsemen at the League managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and "importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in to their demands. When was this? And in what alternate universe? "Morse playground"...?!?! There's only two slices of Morse-only spectrum, both are in the VHF range, and were lobbied for by weak signal operators anxious to see a part of the spectrum protected for thier work...Mostly EME and meteor scatter techniques, but the sues are growing. "Sues?" There's litigation about VHF and up? Oh, my! Those lawyers are into everything, aren't they? So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so. How many kids have you raised, Len? Including himself? Ham radio is all about raising children? Good heavens, I thought ham radio was all about preserving the morse modes forever and ever! One learns something every day! Ham radio is all about Raising Children! Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so. You aren't. But that's what he perceives himself as... Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio. Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy? It makes Lennie nervous. He shot blanks all his life, and now any discussion of kids get's him wound up. That's why he wanted to exert some "parental control" over younger licensees with that age limit crap. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I didn't "shoot blanks all my life." My children are not a subject of discussion in here. They are all physically and mentally normal. Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair. Pair of what, Len? What ever they are, I bet Lennie doesn't have a pair of them...Maybe a pair of slippers or glasses...Nothing else. Tsk, tsk. No humor among the PCTA. [cut to scene of military post and assembly after reveille...female first- soldier starts calling roll, shouts "sound off like you got a pair!"] Nursie thinks licentiousness (not licensure) is an okay side for hams. [see other posting of his, the one where he gets angry about "Neil" and Dubya] If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an amateur. So V E R Y glad! Tsk. The less-than-half-a-year "electronics purchasing agent" couldn't cut it. Only civilian "electronics job" he ever had. Poor guy. Well, there's always night school for nursie. :-) LHA / WMD |
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#75
July 16th 04, 11:02 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD |
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#76
July 16th 04, 11:02 PM
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In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , "Dee D. Flint" Mama Dee speaking to her children writes: "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it. Utter nonsense, Mama Dee. Spin-like rationalization. That's a good description of what you post here, Len ;-) ;-) ;-) Only to the PCTA. The PCTA live for such spin. They try to literally live it. AMATEUR radio is a hobby, not a national service, not an arm of the United States Navy or the rest of the military, and not a public safety organization. Just a hobby involving radio. It's not "just a hobby". For some it IS a lifestyle. Their problem, not the governments. So, amateur radio is NOT a hobby? Prove its vital need to the nation as a national service or an arm of the military or a public safety organization. The FCC hasn't proved that. Only the ham-lifestylers try to prove that. They NEED the rationalization. But even if it were, what's the difference? If something is "just a hobby", does that mean there should be no standards, no training, no rules? Tsk, tsk. Arguing to extemes again? The FCC isn't chartered to do "training" for radio hams. The FCC doesn't really "set standards," only sets regulations. AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. When did it cease, Len? Long ago. :-) Find all the military morsemen "needs" you can. That be easy, as there are no such needs. Find all the commercial communications services you can, count the "needs" for morsemen. Very few and those be on the Great Lakes shipping. And here's a fun fact: The Basis and Purpose never used the phrase "experienced morse operators". Just "experienced operators" - no mention of modes. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. How long? Long time. :-) Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work requested. More spin crappola. Well, at least you're honest about your content ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Tsk, tsk. Not nice. Rather nasty comment for a portentious revered one of the Great Gurus of the newsgrope. The influential morsemen at the League managed to carve out a separate little morse playground for themselves with all sorts of fatuous phrases of "national need" and "importance of a pool of trained operators" and the FCC caved in to their demands. When was this? And in what alternate universe? In the present universe. Those who are busy spinning can't believe it. The "pool of trained operators" thing came from FCC, not ARRL. No kidding? I thought you thought the ARRL regulated all things in ham radio. Learn somethin' every day! Sunnuvagun! You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities. The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't care to do but does it anyway to get the reward. So, the League is a surrogate parent?!? I don't think so. How many kids have you raised, Len? On July 4th, two of them. :-) What? Everyone applying for a ham license nowadays have to bring a medical certificate for a sperm count?!? Do they have to show birth certificates of their offspring too? My word, the rules have really become tuff! Are all the Amateur Extras surrogate parents now? I don't think so. You aren't. Haven't pretended to be, Rev. Jim. You ARE going to misdirect into some "parenting" argument, aren't you? [your sort of newsgrope tactic] Dee, quit this infernal nattering about "parentage" and ham radio. Why, Len? Because it's really quite an accurate analogy? Who said it is "accurate?" You ham lifestylers really get too, too deep into it. Quit trying to sound off like you've got an influential pair. Pair of what, Len? Brain halves. You aren't a radioactive au pair and this ain't the Children's Hour (even is some of the other extras act like children). The most childish performance I see here is yours, Len. Then you don't see at all well. Visit an eye doctor for a checkup. Poor baby. I upset your little session with butt-in buddy, the Stalker? Just face the reality of the matter. Morsemen got their little CW playground and should be happy. What *are* you talking about, Len? The LOWER parts of the HF bands. Professional communicators they ain't, even if they want, desperately, to be oh, so very pro. If you're an example of "professional communicator", than I'm glad to be an amateur. You are NOT a professional communicator. LHA / WMD |
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#77
July 16th 04, 11:02 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: PAMNO (N2EY) Date: 7/15/2004 11:44 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Of course it is. Without any practical experience in Amatuer Radio, how could he render an INFORMED opinon on ANYthing having to do with Amateur Radio...??? Riiiiiiight, Stalker. How can ANYONE possibly know anything about anything without being federally licensed in it? I didn't say "licensed", Lennie...I said "experienced". Gosh, in your psychotic fantasyland, amateur radio must be a classified, sensitive, deep dark secret, revealed only to those "eyes only" folks who have been background-checked, right? NOBODY unlicense can possibly know anything at all! Sure they can...if they ahve some sort of practical experience in it... Illogical. To have "practical experience" in amateur radio REQUIRES an amateur license. Those without that magick license "cannot have any practical experience in it." [Stalker stated that] Bottom line is that Stalker doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. U.S. amateur radio is open for observation to anyone...on the air, in print, in person to the public. Stalker is trying vainly to prove that those without licenses cannot know anything at all about radio. That's absolutely false, a LIE of bright magnitude, but he can't stop. Tsk. You are neither licensed OR experienced. Not in AMATEUR RADIO. Len, what are "morsemen"? Anything and everything he's not. I'm a retired electronics engineer with a good retirement income. You are an ALLEGED electronics engineer. Sigh. Poor nursie can't help herself with all the insults. :-) Riiiiiight...I have alleged resumes, alleged history in the alleged industry, an alleged patent, alleged schooling with alleged skin from an alleged sheep, know alleged hams who have alleged ham licenses longer than nursie has allegedly lived. Not only that, the alleged IRS and alleged tax board and alleged government agencies all allegedly believe I allegedly did all that. The alleged bank keeps track of all the alleged income I allegedly made, taking in the alleged social security check allegely electornically. Not only that, I was once a long-time member of Joe Sheppard's The Ledge BBS! Some in a position to know your "professional" services directly quantify your skills as "mediocre, at best..." A LIE, nursie. Bald-faced, out and out LIE. You don't know squat about the electronics industry or military electronics or civilian electronics other than reading about ham radio in QST. YOU DON'T KNOW. Now YOU produce those NAMES of the "some" you ALLEGE "know." You can't because they DON'T EXIST. They are a fermentation of your hate-filled obsessional, delusional psychosis in here. Get some mental therapy. From a real shrink. It will help everyone, even yourself. Pbththththth. LHA / WMD |
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July 16th 04, 11:02 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Hamme Raddio Ethnic Cleanser with his Fleet Kit) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) Date: 7/15/2004 10:16 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , Len Over 21 wrote: AMATEUR radio long ago CEASED to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need. The nation does NOT need morse operators, haven't for a long time. That's an intresting point. 9/11 showed the need still exists for experienced radio operators who can communicate under pressure. Morde code is no longer necessary, but a clear voice, understanding a phonetic alphabet, etc is. Geoffrey, you'll notice Lennie interjected "morse" operators, although he does take great liberties with trying to discredit Amatueur Radio at any opportunity. Poor Stalker, still deep in delusional psychosis thinking that all who disagree with Him are "discrediting amateur radio" You did take editorial liberty with the post to add your anti-Amateur spin, Lennie. No "spin." A direct reply to a hate-filled delusional psychotic obsessed with trying to "get" certain others is NOT an indictment against all amateurs. No other radio service in the USA uses morse code for ANY emergency communications, nor do they do that for primary radio communications purposes. No Public Safety Radio group needs any morse qualifications to do their work. This is NOT any other radio group, Lennie. It's not the Armed Forces. It's not PLMRS. It is not SINCGARS or 1950's Army message centers. Neither is this "group" qualified about national politics or space travel or exploration (except me)...but that doesn't stop the fantasyland Stalker from making words about those things. You know nothing about armed forces radio communications. You know nothing about Private Land Mobile Radio Service. You know nothing about SINCGARS or any Army communications facilities of the 1950s. You MUST mention all of those to avoid being reminded that you know so little of anything beyond amateurism. Additionally he was in error that stating that "Amateur radio long ago ceased to be a "pool of experienced morse operators" for any national need." No "error." REALITY. Stevie Stalker LIES again, but doesn't understand he does. Tsk. He confuses his fantasy with reality. Bad scene. He need mental help. And conce again we have a non-licensed...in this case mental healtcare provider...rendering yet another unqualified opinion. NOBODY needs "qualification certificates" to see your obsession and stalking with all the mouthing off of snit against those you don't like. You're nuts. Aberrant. Whacko. No fantasy. Right. Real life. Right here. You're nuts with obsessional hate. VERY small. The Military Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca trains signal intercept operators. A few of the MOSs in that school learn International Morse Code from computer programs. Those same trainees also learn to operate a variety of recorders to record those intercepts for later analysis. Just one small facet of MI training. Morse Code will continue for some time to be a necessary skill. Only in your fantasyland dreaming. Thankfully some in the Armed Forces have been able to recognize that while we've buried ourselves under burdonsome technology, some of our adversaries have quietly gone about keeping things in the KISS mode...And THEY have done thier best to make sure we can have at least some reserve pool of AD personnel who can be called upon to intercept it. More imaginary bull****. Again, you don't name names and talk only in generalities. That's because you have NO experience in military electronics R&D or contracts administration nor in planning...not in the labs, not in the field, not even in the history of military radio. Huachuca trains intercept operators on whatever is needed. Computer programs for teaching morse code cognition don't depend on human morsemen to "teach" anything. On-off keying morse code is falling in the rest of the world. Eventually even they (the U.S. military) will drop that training. They have the recorders and the recorded intercepts if some idiot foreign force wants to use morse...and thus be open to signals attack by just about anyone. Open to attack by just about anyone? The term "attack" in cryptography means to begin decipherment or the act of decipherment. Word has been around a long time. It's not the manual OOK that is important, Lennie...It's the message being sent. The Germans used OOK from thier subs, and until we came into possession of an Enigma machine and the requisite code books, their transmissions were just as "secret" as they woul;d have been using any other mode today. More bull**** from the very UNqualified "military communications" non- guru. Quit cutting and pasting from old WW2 stories. The Brits broke Enigma early in WW2. NOBODY broke the U.S. rotor system implemented in the "Sigaba" teleprinters. NOBODY worthwhile is using "code books" in this day and age. At best, they might use "one-time pads." Nobody HAS to. The encryption-decryption can be done in firmware, in a microcontroller. It's done daily in millions of cell phones. "Burdensome technology?!?" For a single IC stuck on a PC board? Produces and deciphers to a very long key and is essentially very hard to break. 128-bit encryption-decryption is regularly done in Internet browser software. For all intents and purposes it is as secure as needs be. On-line cryptography is NOT "burdensome" today. It occurs millions of times a day around the world. Only the severe paranoiacs go berserk at the thought of it. It is secure enough for its purpose. AJKKL CDPMQ GCMMN ADAZP DDSZX WTUPA ZPZQY Now...if I transmit those code groups via manual Morse, PSK, encrypted vocie satellite, etc, of what use are they without the code book? "Vocie?" [a new mode? :-) ] Of what use is that "code book?" About the LAST time the U.S. military used "code books" was in North Africa around 1942-1943. A State Department code book, used by an Army major who knew military tactics but nothing about cryptography. German field cryptologists routinely broke his reports. He never knew. And if I can send those code groups to my "agents" with a transmitter hacked together with $50 worth of parts rather than a $3000 manpack that requires an orbiting asset to realy it, Riiiiight...you've been reading too many morse romance novels again, haven't you? :-) Riiiiiight...."hacking together" a super-secret raddio for HF that uses "unbreakable" morse code. :-) For only $50 worth of parts. Right. In your dreams, delusional one. All that kind of nonsense ended with WW2. No wonder you never got any real military commo experience. Not even when you learned to stencil those boxes correctly. By your own admission (unless you were lying about that too) you are not involved in any emergency communications program except as an observer. Incorrect. Try 1994. January. From your posts here it is pretty clear you that you are indeed NOT involved in any program at any level. Right. All our phones here have 911 capability. :-) What is the Stalker going to do? "Airborne his CAP asset" and relay super-secret HF morse from his "agents?!?" But while you've been so anxious to take each and every opportunity to naysay anything anyone has said that even remotely favors Amateur Radio, you haven't been paying attention to what's being said. There's a psychotic in this forum, Lennie...But it's not me. Crazy folks won't admit they are crazy. :-) Basic rule found in any undergraduate psychology course. There ya go, Stalker. You just keep on beepin...and imagining yourself a big fat Hero of the Homeland for beeping fast. So long, Reality again. Hello fantasy! If what you are is "reality", Lennie, then I would do well to stay in what YOU call "fantasy" Sucks to be you, Putz. Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good men...") and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode. Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio licensee. All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time. LHA / WMD |
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July 16th 04, 11:02 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Mighty Macho Morseman Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio using a Fleet Kit) writes: "I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue" The lies of Lennie Anderson continue. "Lies" only in nursie's fantasyland. Poor nursie. LHA / WMD |
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July 16th 04, 11:02 PM
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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes: Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM From: (Len Over 21) Date: 7/15/2004 8:41 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Stevie Stalker, Ethnic Cleanser of Olde Tyme Hamme Raddio) writes: A nickle says Lennie the Lame found yet another anonymous server to hide behind. If not, it's someone he's slept with. Poor Stalker making LIES again. Tsk, tsk. Not a lie, Lennie...A bet. With whom? One of your other personalities? Poor obsessed, delusional nursie. Can't imagine that anyone else doesn't like the Stalking Mighty Macho Morseman. Thinks all who say negative to nursie are all pseudonyms of me. That's nutso-ville. Aberrant delusional psychosis. Whacko-land. Poor nursie would snit iffen he ever discovered there's NO Internet out there...his computer is making all this up!!! :-) Beep, beep. LHA / WMD |
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