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July 16th 04, 11:57 AM
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(Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! Who is this "Rev. Jim" person you keep mentioing, Len? You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Yes, I did, Len. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. Why? The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League lobbying. Len, what are "morsemen"? An elite band of beepers stuck in a time warp of yesteryear. Amateurs, of course. So all radio amateurs are morsemen? The rest of the radio world has given up morse code modes for any primary communications. Most other radio services never even considered it! So you think radio amateurs should stop using Morse code? And if you're talking about how the bands got carved up into Extra-only, Advanced-and-Extra-only, and General-and-above subbands, that wasn't an ARRL idea at all. It came from elsewhere. What is this "easy to enforce" nonsense? It's not nonsense at all, Len. So...answer how it is "easy." I'll explain it again. If a ham tries to exceed license privileges by operating on frequencies not licensed to that ham, all that has to be done is measure the operating frequency and identify the source. The FCC reads morse easier than it can voice? [I don't think so] Can the FCC DF on OOK-CW signals "easier" than voice signals? [I don't think so] The easy to enforce *fact* is that it's simple to check the frequency of a signal against the license class. It's not nearly so easy to verify things like power level. Oh, yeah, the Magick of Morse! Applies to all modes. All morsemen are superbly honest and without fault...would not dream of falsifying anything, would they? How could they? When was the last time FCC had to do some enforcement on a ham using Morse code? Hello? Ever hear of audio recorders? Those have been around since WW2. Really. More modern stuff than wire recorders nowadays, old timer. Combine that with modern DF techniques (no rotating loop antennas required) and modern data recorders and ANY signal can be found out. An audio recorder doesn't tell what radio frequency is being used. All of the morsemen's propaganda is just spin to keep their little morse playground. No more, no less. What are you talking about, Len? YOUR spin on morse code. And the Belief System of the Church of St. Hiram. What *are* you talking about, Len? The only Morse-code-only segments of US amateur radio are the lowest 100 kHz of 6 and 2 meters. Open to all hams except Novices. WE weren't talking about "morse code only" stuff, Rev. Jim. Who is "we", Len? [got some bad peyote again? tsk] Never touched the stuff. You sound like ol' Carlos, though. You will be angry and disturbed at such direct language, but, like Ernestine's creator put it..."plbthththt...and that's the absolute truth." :-) And it's as true as what Ernestine says. IOW, what you wrote is absolute nonsense, Len, and the historical records prove it. Yah, yu be all hot and bothered! :-) Not me. SPIN doctoring you do, Rev. Jim, and you don't have the license to practice doctoring. Tsk, tsk. What spin, Len? Besides, why do you want to live in the past so much? Moi? HAH! Yes, you. Who was talking up "T.O.M." olde tymer? YOU were. EIGHTY YEARS AGO. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Still accurate. Since 1990 it has been possible to get any class of US ham license with just a 5 wpm code test and a medical waiver. Since 2000, the only Morse code test left has been the 5 wpm test. So? The morse code test is STILL THERE, isn't it? Sure. Even though the treaty changed over a year ago, and there have been a half-dozen or more petitions asking to drop the code test, FCC hasn't changed anything about it. Why don't you confront Chairman Powell on his blog and ask him why not? Maybe you could call him "Mikey" and tell him how unqualified he is. You could use the same sort of style there as you use here, Len. All U.S. amateur radio licenses with below-30-MHz privileges require passing that morse code test. NOW. Not 14 years ago, not 80 years ago. NOW. We all know that, Len. Why do you repeat the obvious? WHY? Because the FCC says so. Here's a challenge for ya, Len: Lissen up, peyote breath. I guess you can't rise to the challenge, then. You're just here to spout nonsense and abuse. Here's YOUR challenge: Try to go a whole 48 hours of NOT accessing the newsgroup and telling everyone a sermon or preaching that Code Is Good, the Best. Why? Bet you can't do it. :-) Sure I can. In fact I was gone for a lot longer than 48 hours back in April. You can't. Sure I can. But why should I? Just to make you happy? What you want is for opposing opinions to simply shut up. You can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with your cherished beliefs. Even worse for you is when someone proves you are simply wrong about something. You are fixated on Being Here, the Voice of "Truth" about olde-tyme hamme raddio, telling all heretics to your Belief System that they are "wrong," "incorrect," and other indelicate nasties when they don't like Mighty Macho Morse. "Same old, same old crap on the newsgroups when some schmuck can't reply on a subject - just heap abuse on the person doing the replying." "The only variety is the KIND of abuse they use." - From: (Len Over 21) Date: 13 Jul 2004 23:35:34 GMT |
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July 17th 04, 12:02 AM
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In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , Robert Casey writes: Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved them resources. We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna happen. ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to operate on 14.167 vs 14.344? More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! Who is this "Rev. Jim" person you keep mentioing, Len? Tsk. You see him every time you look into a mirror. :-) You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Yes, I did, Len. No, you did NOT. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. Why? To establish your bona-fides. You've made a wild-hair statement and its illogical. Not very professional of you. Tsk. The separate, elite morsemen-only portions of the ham bands were put there by old morsemen who were able to influence League lobbying. Len, what are "morsemen"? An elite band of beepers stuck in a time warp of yesteryear. Amateurs, of course. So all radio amateurs are morsemen? Only the beeping bleeping amateurs are morsemen. The rest of the radio world has given up morse code modes for any primary communications. Most other radio services never even considered it! So you think radio amateurs should stop using Morse code? No. The FCC should stop TESTING for morse code cognition. And if you're talking about how the bands got carved up into Extra-only, Advanced-and-Extra-only, and General-and-above subbands, that wasn't an ARRL idea at all. It came from elsewhere. What is this "easy to enforce" nonsense? It's not nonsense at all, Len. So...answer how it is "easy." I'll explain it again. If a ham tries to exceed license privileges by operating on frequencies not licensed to that ham, all that has to be done is measure the operating frequency and identify the source. Riiiiight...and that lets the FCC know EXACTLY who is doing it and where, right? :-) Do you really think others are THAT dumb, Rev. Jim? The FCC reads morse easier than it can voice? [I don't think so] Can the FCC DF on OOK-CW signals "easier" than voice signals? [I don't think so] The easy to enforce *fact* is that it's simple to check the frequency of a signal against the license class. It's not nearly so easy to verify things like power level. Oh, yeah, the Magick of Morse! Applies to all modes. Riiiiight..."real" hams ALWAYS identify honestly, never ever fib or do nasty. :-) All morsemen are superbly honest and without fault...would not dream of falsifying anything, would they? How could they? BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! When was the last time FCC had to do some enforcement on a ham using Morse code? 1935? :-) :-) :-) :-) Hello? Ever hear of audio recorders? Those have been around since WW2. Really. More modern stuff than wire recorders nowadays, old timer. Combine that with modern DF techniques (no rotating loop antennas required) and modern data recorders and ANY signal can be found out. An audio recorder doesn't tell what radio frequency is being used. The data sub-carrier signal will have it recorded. Telemetry recorders carry all sorts of information...those can even record the DF information from the DF equipment. All of the morsemen's propaganda is just spin to keep their little morse playground. No more, no less. What are you talking about, Len? YOUR spin on morse code. And the Belief System of the Church of St. Hiram. What *are* you talking about, Len? Heresy. :-) The only Morse-code-only segments of US amateur radio are the lowest 100 kHz of 6 and 2 meters. Open to all hams except Novices. WE weren't talking about "morse code only" stuff, Rev. Jim. Who is "we", Len? Me & you. You have lots of alternate personalities like your butt-in buddy, the Stalker? [got some bad peyote again? tsk] Never touched the stuff. You sound like ol' Carlos, though. Carlos who? I guess you can't rise to the challenge, then. You're just here to spout nonsense and abuse. Your terms. :-) Anything said against morse code is, in your terms, "nonsense and abuse." We readers all KNOW that. Quit stating the obvious. What you want is for opposing opinions to simply shut up. You can't tolerate anyone who disagrees with your cherished beliefs. Even worse for you is when someone proves you are simply wrong about something. Poor Jimmie. Writing while looking into a mirror again. Another one working his way into a delusional psychosis...thinks a different idea to his "factual beliefs" is heresy. Poor Jim. How's the olde time mashine working these days? LHA / WMD |
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July 16th 04, 02:22 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. |
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July 17th 04, 12:02 AM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD |
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July 17th 04, 04:53 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA. |
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July 18th 04, 01:00 AM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA. I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license. The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!" "All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!" All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later. All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio." They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers (in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back then. They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match. Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced" (all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what. Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis. LHA / WMD |
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July 19th 04, 03:42 AM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA. I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license. Memories like Hephalants. The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!" "All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!" All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later. I can follow that. All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio." More important than everything else combined. They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers (in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back then. Sit-ins. Throwing other peoples medals at the White House. Goldie Hawn... They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match. Where is Aaron? He could add this to the Morse Myths list. Too bad he got worn out with that list - it was sooooo long. Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced" (all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what. They can lead amateur radio on a death march. Anyone speak Tagalog? Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis. Valor? Without integrity or honor? Best they can do is Status Quo. Forget about leadership. |
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July 19th 04, 06:56 AM
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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: In article , PAMNO (N2EY) writes: More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part because it's easy to enforce. Nonsense for the new millennium. That's what you're giving us, Len! Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the Antenna Mount again! You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk. Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice signals. Try a few details of how that is done. That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical. Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the temperature in hell is falling rapidly. Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell. LHA / WMD I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA. I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license. Memories like Hephalants. Memories more like an effluent. :-) The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!" "All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!" All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later. I can follow that. They are all legends in their own minds... :-) All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio." More important than everything else combined. It probably IS the greatest accomplishment in some lives! :-) They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers (in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back then. Sit-ins. Throwing other peoples medals at the White House. Goldie Hawn... Grandma Goldie? :-) They can't recapture their physical youth. They can improve their mental youth. Some don't. Some, like Rev. Jim, are very into the "stern headmaster" role playing, making like he #1 Great Guru on the history knowledge of a century ago. History of the earliest accomplishments doesn't tune a final or align a receiver front end nor measure any antenna. They could concentrate on those basics first, but it is much easier for them to just toss their cookies in here, pretending the "know" things. They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match. Where is Aaron? He could add this to the Morse Myths list. Too bad he got worn out with that list - it was sooooo long. Most folks have bailed out of here. Can't blame them. :-) Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced" (all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what. They can lead amateur radio on a death march. Anyone speak Tagalog? Dinna wurra, laddie. The beepers will still be re-enacting their own radio civil wars long into the future. I suppose they imagine that if they bring it up enough times some more might believe in it as fervently as they do. Yup. They "bring it up" in projectile form. Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis. Valor? Without integrity or honor? Best they can do is Status Quo. Forget about leadership. We will be lead by the beepers, not led. Plumbium that is, one part of solder. But with cold solder joints in their thinking. LHA / WMD |
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