In article , "Kim"
writes:

Can't help but point up the "dedication" factor, here. There are those who
preach that CW is a matter of dedication and "worthwhileness" of being a
member of the amateur radio community.

Who preaches
that?

The argument could be made that
having the money--no matter what it takes--proves worthwhileness to the
amateur radio community.

We think many but not
all would reject the idea
of someone being able
to buy an amateur
radio license.

But perhaps the fact
that money alone
cannot honestly buy
an amateur license is
what really bothers
some people about the
code test. Or any
serious level of
testing.

At least one non-
amateur here has
made repeated mention
of what his house is
worth, how he could
buy a "Hummer" for
cash, etc.

Perhaps that person
is frustrated and
angered by his
inability to buy his
way into amateur
radio.

Or to buy some respect
from others.

You have made us
think about it, Kim.

Thank you.

"Ya gotta do what it takes" applies across the board...wouldn't it?

That's what mature
people who want a
particular goal say.

(Quitefine) wrote in message ...
In article , "Kim"
writes:

Can't help but point up the "dedication" factor, here. There are those who
preach that CW is a matter of dedication and "worthwhileness" of being a
member of the amateur radio community.

Who preaches
that?

The argument could be made that
having the money--no matter what it takes--proves worthwhileness to the
amateur radio community.

We think many but not
all would reject the idea
of someone being able
to buy an amateur
radio license.

But perhaps the fact
that money alone
cannot honestly buy
an amateur license is
what really bothers
some people about the
code test. Or any
serious level of
testing.

At least one non-
amateur here has
made repeated mention
of what his house is
worth, how he could
buy a "Hummer" for
cash, etc.

Perhaps that person
is frustrated and
angered by his
inability to buy his
way into amateur
radio.

Or to buy some respect
from others.

You have made us
think about it, Kim.

Thank you.

"Ya gotta do what it takes" applies across the board...wouldn't it?

That's what mature
people who want a
particular goal say.

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

We have seen
no evidence of
such wrongdoing.

Have you?

Note that our
original claim
is still valid:
There is no way
to honestly buy
an amateur license.

(Quitefine) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
..

We have seen
no evidence of
such wrongdoing.

Then
why
would
the
FCC
investigate
testing
irregularities
?

Have you?

I
am
not
the
FCC
..

I
only
read
some
of
their
reports
..

Note that our
original claim
is still valid:
There is no way
to honestly buy
an amateur license.

Honestly
..

"William" wrote in message
om...
(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
.


Based on the enforcement actions and the exam investigations, the FCC has
only found need to investigate a tiny fraction of the tests conducted. This
refutes your assertion that "plenty of Extras..." were able to "buy" their
licenses.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
.


Based on the enforcement actions and the exam investigations, the FCC has
only found need to investigate a tiny fraction of the tests conducted. This
refutes your assertion that "plenty of Extras..." were able to "buy" their
licenses.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

You need a course in oceanography and glaciology.

Ever heard of "Tip of the Iceberg?"

"William" wrote in message
om...
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...
"William" wrote in message
om...
(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed
for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
.


Based on the enforcement actions and the exam investigations, the FCC
has
only found need to investigate a tiny fraction of the tests conducted.
This
refutes your assertion that "plenty of Extras..." were able to "buy"
their
licenses.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

You need a course in oceanography and glaciology.

Ever heard of "Tip of the Iceberg?"

I have administered plenty of test sessions and know many Extra class
operators. None of them "bought" their licenses. They legitimately passed
the required testing.

Between the FCC data and personal experience, the evidence continues to
refute your assertion. What data do you have to justify your opinion?

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

William wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...

"William" wrote in message
.com...

(Quitefine) wrote in message

...

In article ,
(William) writes:


I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
.


Based on the enforcement actions and the exam investigations, the FCC has
only found need to investigate a tiny fraction of the tests conducted. This
refutes your assertion that "plenty of Extras..." were able to "buy" their
licenses.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


You need a course in oceanography and glaciology.

Ever heard of "Tip of the Iceberg?"

Assuming you mean that there ia huge amount of corruption, and only a
very few are seen? Any supporting evidence?

- Mike KB3EIA -

On 16 Aug 2004 08:32:44 -0700, (William) wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message ...
"William" wrote in message
om...
(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
.


Based on the enforcement actions and the exam investigations, the FCC has
only found need to investigate a tiny fraction of the tests conducted. This
refutes your assertion that "plenty of Extras..." were able to "buy" their
licenses.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

You need a course in oceanography and glaciology.

Ever heard of "Tip of the Iceberg?"


They're more like isolated cases rather than widespread abuse. Not
everybody's goal in life is to "cheat the system".

Stacey/AA7YA

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions

What FCC enforcement
actions can you name
where a 20 wpm exam
was falsified?

Be specific. Otherwise
you are not to be believed.

Accusing others of serious
wrongdoing without any
proof is serious stuff.

We have seen
no evidence of
such wrongdoing.

Then
why
would
the
FCC
investigate
testing
irregularities
?

You specifically mentioned
20 wpm code exams. Do
you have specifics? Or
just more nonsense?

Have you?

I
am
not
the
FCC
.

I
only
read
some
of
their
reports
.

Specifics?