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In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Quitefine)
Date: 8/28/2004 9:37 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Baby banter, Brian...

Are you really not better than that?

I think you are.

Why do you think that?

I am a Nurse.

An honorable profession.

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about 666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head, Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about 666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Highly likely.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

Probably is.

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

Sometimes a cigar
is only a cigar.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

Highly likely.

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head,
Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good
start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in
kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

Perhaps he is
waiting for you
to set the example.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

He says the same of you.
We have seen claims of
remote diagnosis of
'turettes syndrome'.

(Even we know that it
is "Tourette's Syndrome")

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Why give an audience and
reaction to such behavior?

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good
running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

We see your could be and
raise you a probably

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Quitefine)
Date: 8/29/2004 1:06 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about .666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Highly likely.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

Probably is.

Are you sure?

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

Sometimes a cigar
is only a cigar.

But some cigars are better than others. Hence the trafficing in illegal
Cuban cigars.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

Highly likely.

Better than average? I think you give him more credit than due. To
suggest that he could premeditate an act is really stretching things a bit!

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head,
Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good
start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in
kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

Perhaps he is
waiting for you
to set the example.

By what? Caving in to his mistruthfulness or his immatue and
irresponsible conduct?

Nope.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

He says the same of you.
We have seen claims of
remote diagnosis of
'turettes syndrome'.

(Even we know that it
is "Tourette's Syndrome")

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Why give an audience and
reaction to such behavior?

To allow him and Lennie a forum without challenge leaves them the only
ones being heard. Not a good alternative.

Pointing out thier errors and thier irresponsible behaviour is a far
better response.

And they DO give us plenty of opportunities to do THAT, don't they... ! !
!

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good
running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

We see your could be and
raise you a probably.

I see your probably and call.

73

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

Hence the trafficing in illegal Cuban cigars.

Dump huck politicians with anal/cranial inversion syndrome may have
decided that trafficking in them is not legal, but Cuban cigars are not,
of themselves, illegal.

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the Morse
Code speed limit.

--
Reality doesn't care what you believe.

"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the Morse
Code speed limit.

Hans, were you a VE administering an element 1 exam at the time? Or
was this for a repeater ID?

bb

"William" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the
Morse
Code speed limit.

Hans, were you a VE administering an element 1 exam at the time? Or
was this for a repeater ID?

Repeater ID running 24WPM in a 20WPM zone. I sent them an "I'm sorry"
letter and ignored it. Nobody bothered me again.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

Broadcast engineers don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Commercial communications people don't "operate" their stations
like hams do.

Former USN radio operators didn't "operate" their stations like
hams do.

Government employees, such as those with Department of State,
don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Sunnuvagun!


If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

False. In here, nothing can escape the Glory and Majesty and Nobility
of Operating Like Hams Do in amateur radio!

Such as walking into an HRO with a credit card, then walking out with
everything and doing the plug-and-play at home...doing it as Hams
Do! :-)

Tsk. Right, I've never been an "independent operator," not even with
a PLMRS business radio. As a partner in a business I wasn't the
sole "owner" of that radio. How sad... :-)

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Tsk. Wrong handle. QUITEFINE is supposed to ask the leading
questions. Anonymouses do that.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't.

Yes you do. The Quitefine pseudonym is a sure sign of that. :-)

Len's not going to show up on the ham bands.

Already been on those bands. Legal and not as an amateur. :-)

He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications.

True. They sure as heck don't pay enough. :-)

He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Absolutely no one could beat the PCTA at CW contests.

Why would they? :-)


What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

Tsk. Still in the past. Try looking back just a half year. :-)

18 Petitions up for Comment at FCC and easily overwhelming the old
docket 98-143 comments. :-)


So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

The League is your shepherd...you shall not want.

You are not led into temptation.

Now lay face down on the floor in the sign of the cross and take your
Vows for life...

In article , (PILOT
IN COMMAND OF CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/30/2004 6:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

Make up your mind, nursie. First you lie and say I was a "radio clerk."

Now you say I was "one of a large group."

A Signal Battalion has about a thousand servicemen in it. "Large" is a
subjective word. Try to focus.

Nope. IF he had done them. His MOS was as a radio tech...Not an
"operator". I doubt he ever got any closer to radiating RF than loading up
the rig into a dummy load.

How about that. Nursie, who knows some imaginary "real truth" to
the military ("Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio") now wants
to "revise" old U.S. Army Military Occupation Specialty descriptions!

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance
Supervisor. [the ".6" denoted the supervisory level]

That was on the record, along with brevet MOSs of Fixed Station
Communicaitons Operations and Maintenance Supervisor and
VHF-UHF Radio Relay Operator and Maintainer.

A four-hundred foot rhombic antenna is not a "dummy load" except
to a dummy who never loaded one up. With 40 KW of RF feeding it
it will radiate a bit.

Now, in truth, a 12 Watt 1.8 GHz microwave terminal transmitter
feeding 250 feet of 1 5/8" pressurized rigid coax results in a bit
less than 4 Watts at the 10 foot parabolic reflector antenna. In
that sense it might be somewhat like a "dummy load."

Army station ADA was, in the 1950s, only the third largest Army
station in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN),
but the radiated RF at the transmitter site antenna field was about
350 KW total...and there 24/7.


Lennie's last foray into Amateur Radio publishing wound up contributing
to the demise of that same journal. Who would WANT to "publish" him...?!?!

Woefully WRONG. Tsk, tsk.

The amateur radio advertising monies were not there to support all the
independent publications. Publisher Skip Tenney had two monthlies
in the press at the time and the ad income was dropping. HR was
sold to CQ Communications. That was in 1990.

I had to quit HR as an Associate Editor in 1988 due to other job
requirements. I was never there physically at HR hq; most "staffers"
worked at home with everything sent by mail back and forth, plus
telephone calls. Common method in the hobby publication trade.
My work spoke for itself and that is how I was "hired." I never met
Jim Fisk (ex-W1HR, SK) nor Alf Wilson nor Rich Rosen nor Terry
Northrup in person.

Ham Radio magazine was an independent amateur radio interest
publication that survived for 22 years. It gained a solid reputation
during those 22 years and is still respected by radio amateurs who
know anything about the technology of radio. A full set of articles
from those 22 years of independent publishing is available from
CQ for $150 (for all three CDs). ARRL also resells it.

In article , PAMNO
(Quitfine) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

Lots of "challenge" walking into an HRO, presenting a plastic
card, taking home everything ready-built, following hook-up
instructions... :-)

About as "challenging" as setting up a CB base station.

About as "challenging" as setting up a new personal computer.

About as "challenging" as installing a home music system
stereo receiver.

Ho hum.


You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Ah, so one "takes vows" in newsgroups?!? :-)

Tsk. Allow a response used frequently by nursie:

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

But James P. Miccolis, with or without the "Quitefine" anonymouse
pseudonum is up to the task of DOING MORE! He is Extra. He is
PCTA! Hear him roar! :-)

Poor Bill Cross.

FCC salaries are low?


- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most
of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

Tsk. Quitefine not know! Terrible. Quitefine, er, Jimmie know
EVERYTHING! He never "innaccurate!" :-)

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

Jimmie want jo-san? :-)


- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

The League is your shepherd, you shall not want...


- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Tsk. More imaginative rambling. :-)

My "case" in here was simply to argue against a morse code test.

Since so many PCTA extras inhabited this din of inequity, that was
all but impossible in the torrent of personal abuse rendered against
all NCTA.

The PCTA extras could never, ever make their case for maintenance
of the morse code test...but they cannot ever lose any argument so
the personal abuse levelled against NCTA continues...and continues.

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...
"William" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

72.5, de Hans, K0HB

PS: On the other hand, I have an FCC "pink slip" for exceeding the
Morse
Code speed limit.

Hans, were you a VE administering an element 1 exam at the time? Or
was this for a repeater ID?

Repeater ID running 24WPM in a 20WPM zone. I sent them an "I'm sorry"
letter and ignored it. Nobody bothered me again.

dit dit

de Hans, K0HB

That's forgivable.

Running exam sessions faster than the regulations allow is unforgivable.