In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Gladys Kravitz effect.

Does Len have a chin?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

His ONLY operating has always been dependent upon the STATION
license or other federal grant or approval.

That grant has always specified the mode and power. Lennie has
never had the discretion of choosing the mode, time, power or
application other thanwhat the grant allowed.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

I imagine a person in Mr Cross' position can seperate the bull
from the bullstuff. His protestations to the contrary, Lennie's own
"replies" are pretty much "kill the messenger" kinda stuff.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Don't forget "My best friend is an Army buddy who is a Ham..."

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

Tritto on the ditto.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't. Len's not going to show up on the ham
bands. He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications. He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not
get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been
a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of
it is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

*Somebody* at FCC has to read all of it.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring.
Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing",
most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite
inaccurate.

What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words
in that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Domo arigato.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no
increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than
what Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/30/2004 6:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

Nope. IF he had done them. His MOS was as a radio tech...Not an
"operator". I doubt he ever got any closer to radiating RF than loading up the
rig into a dummy load.

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

What's to worry? Lennie can't pass the test anyway, so none's-to-worry.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't. Len's not going to show up on the ham
bands. He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications. He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Lennie's last foray into Amateur Radio publishing wound up contributing to
the demise of that same journal. Who would WANT to "publish" him...?!?!

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not
get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been
a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of
it is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

*Somebody* at FCC has to read all of it.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring.
Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing",
most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite
inaccurate.

What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

And I dare say far more well prepared and thoughtful pieces too.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words
in that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Domo arigato.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test
speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no
increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than
what Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

Indeed.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (PILOT
IN COMMAND OF CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/30/2004 6:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

Make up your mind, nursie. First you lie and say I was a "radio clerk."

Now you say I was "one of a large group."

A Signal Battalion has about a thousand servicemen in it. "Large" is a
subjective word. Try to focus.

Nope. IF he had done them. His MOS was as a radio tech...Not an
"operator". I doubt he ever got any closer to radiating RF than loading up
the rig into a dummy load.

How about that. Nursie, who knows some imaginary "real truth" to
the military ("Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio") now wants
to "revise" old U.S. Army Military Occupation Specialty descriptions!

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance
Supervisor. [the ".6" denoted the supervisory level]

That was on the record, along with brevet MOSs of Fixed Station
Communicaitons Operations and Maintenance Supervisor and
VHF-UHF Radio Relay Operator and Maintainer.

A four-hundred foot rhombic antenna is not a "dummy load" except
to a dummy who never loaded one up. With 40 KW of RF feeding it
it will radiate a bit.

Now, in truth, a 12 Watt 1.8 GHz microwave terminal transmitter
feeding 250 feet of 1 5/8" pressurized rigid coax results in a bit
less than 4 Watts at the 10 foot parabolic reflector antenna. In
that sense it might be somewhat like a "dummy load."

Army station ADA was, in the 1950s, only the third largest Army
station in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN),
but the radiated RF at the transmitter site antenna field was about
350 KW total...and there 24/7.


Lennie's last foray into Amateur Radio publishing wound up contributing
to the demise of that same journal. Who would WANT to "publish" him...?!?!

Woefully WRONG. Tsk, tsk.

The amateur radio advertising monies were not there to support all the
independent publications. Publisher Skip Tenney had two monthlies
in the press at the time and the ad income was dropping. HR was
sold to CQ Communications. That was in 1990.

I had to quit HR as an Associate Editor in 1988 due to other job
requirements. I was never there physically at HR hq; most "staffers"
worked at home with everything sent by mail back and forth, plus
telephone calls. Common method in the hobby publication trade.
My work spoke for itself and that is how I was "hired." I never met
Jim Fisk (ex-W1HR, SK) nor Alf Wilson nor Rich Rosen nor Terry
Northrup in person.

Ham Radio magazine was an independent amateur radio interest
publication that survived for 22 years. It gained a solid reputation
during those 22 years and is still respected by radio amateurs who
know anything about the technology of radio. A full set of articles
from those 22 years of independent publishing is available from
CQ for $150 (for all three CDs). ARRL also resells it.

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

The operators operated. Len maintained.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

The station operated 24/7. Through the years, Len has modified that to
show that *he* operated 24/7.

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Len's lucky it doesn't come down to a vote on either.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't.

I don't get upset. In all these years, I've viewed Leonard's actions
with amusement and curiousity.

Len's not going to show up on the ham
bands. He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications. He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

C'mon, Jim. You're just restating the obvious. Did you ever find it
strange, given the facts contained in your statement, that Len is driven
to make changes in the regulations which govern amateur radio?

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not
get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been
a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of
it is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

Poor Bill Cross.

I don't think Bill suffers from Len's copious output. He likely glosses
over when his eyes glaze over.

*Somebody* at FCC has to read all of it.

I'd have to correct that to read: "Somebody at the FCC is supposed to
read all of it". That doesn't mean that anyone at the FCC is compelled
to act on any of it.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring.
Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing",
most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite
inaccurate.

What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words
in that language.

I'm "interested" in learning to weld. I know three people with welders.

Domo arigato.

Heliarc!

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no
increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than
what Len portrays.

I do mean the ARRL. I share your view.

So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

He goes far beyond myth. He fabricates, manufactures and distorts.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Len's lucky it doesn't come down to a vote on either.

Is Steve as lucky?

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually
operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these
days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.

Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

Broadcast engineers don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Commercial communications people don't "operate" their stations
like hams do.

Former USN radio operators didn't "operate" their stations like
hams do.

Government employees, such as those with Department of State,
don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Sunnuvagun!


If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.

False. In here, nothing can escape the Glory and Majesty and Nobility
of Operating Like Hams Do in amateur radio!

Such as walking into an HRO with a credit card, then walking out with
everything and doing the plug-and-play at home...doing it as Hams
Do! :-)

Tsk. Right, I've never been an "independent operator," not even with
a PLMRS business radio. As a partner in a business I wasn't the
sole "owner" of that radio. How sad... :-)

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?

Tsk. Wrong handle. QUITEFINE is supposed to ask the leading
questions. Anonymouses do that.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Precisely.

So why get all upset? I sure don't.

Yes you do. The Quitefine pseudonym is a sure sign of that. :-)

Len's not going to show up on the ham bands.

Already been on those bands. Legal and not as an amateur. :-)

He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications.

True. They sure as heck don't pay enough. :-)

He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.

Absolutely no one could beat the PCTA at CW contests.

Why would they? :-)


What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.

Tsk. Still in the past. Try looking back just a half year. :-)

18 Petitions up for Comment at FCC and easily overwhelming the old
docket 98-143 comments. :-)


So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.

The League is your shepherd...you shall not want.

You are not led into temptation.

Now lay face down on the floor in the sign of the cross and take your
Vows for life...

In article , PAMNO
(Quitfine) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.

Lots of "challenge" walking into an HRO, presenting a plastic
card, taking home everything ready-built, following hook-up
instructions... :-)

About as "challenging" as setting up a CB base station.

About as "challenging" as setting up a new personal computer.

About as "challenging" as installing a home music system
stereo receiver.

Ho hum.


You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.

Ah, so one "takes vows" in newsgroups?!? :-)

Tsk. Allow a response used frequently by nursie:

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.

But James P. Miccolis, with or without the "Quitefine" anonymouse
pseudonum is up to the task of DOING MORE! He is Extra. He is
PCTA! Hear him roar! :-)

Poor Bill Cross.

FCC salaries are low?


- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most
of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?

I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.

Tsk. Quitefine not know! Terrible. Quitefine, er, Jimmie know
EVERYTHING! He never "innaccurate!" :-)

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.

Jimmie want jo-san? :-)


- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in
1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.

The League is your shepherd, you shall not want...


- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Tsk. More imaginative rambling. :-)

My "case" in here was simply to argue against a morse code test.

Since so many PCTA extras inhabited this din of inequity, that was
all but impossible in the torrent of personal abuse rendered against
all NCTA.

The PCTA extras could never, ever make their case for maintenance
of the morse code test...but they cannot ever lose any argument so
the personal abuse levelled against NCTA continues...and continues.