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(William) writes:

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(Len Over 21) writes:

By the way, since your Lordship doesn't understand it, I'm NOT
itching to get that mighty Nobel-quality amateur license...I'm
just
trying to argue for the elimination of the morse code test for
any
radio operator license.

Why?

If you have no interest in
becoming a radio amateur,
why do you attempt to
change the rules?

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators.

A valid point.

However, Len does not
agree that amateur radio plays
any significant role in emergency
communications.

Must Len agree with everything?

No.

No???

What part of "no" did you
not understand?

NO!!!

Then what must Len agree with?

That depends on whether he
wants to be logically consistent.
Also depends on whether he
wants to be taken seriously.

However, logical consistency
requires that if someone is
going to {{{claim}}}} make the
emergency radio operator
argument, then they must also
agree that amateur radio plays
a significant role in emergency
communications.

Not everyone need make that argument.

We are talking about why Len
Anderson, who has never held
an amateur license and obviously
does not want to be a radio amateur,
is so interested in amateur license
requirements.

Need everyone with an amateur license perform emergency comms?

No.

Some only have a license so they can get cool personalized license
plates.

Is that why you hold an
amateur license?

Of course, we have noted that
logical consistency is not one of
Len's strong points.

But it is.

No, it is not. He is usually
quite illogical.

Yet logical consistency would demand that upright amateurs
disapprove of Steve Robeson/K4YZ/K4CAP's behavio[u]r.

Why?

He simply mirrors Len's
behaviour here. Your
behaviour, too. With one
important difference.

Steve does not name-call
or insult unless provoked.

Len does both without
provocation.

Is their behaviour wrong?

If so, then upright people
would disapprove of the
behaviour of all three.

But you don't.

Yes, we do. We disapprove
of the name-calling, insults,
etc.

Regardless of who is the author.

You accept Len's behaviour but
condemn Steve's.

Some people say that cellular
telephones have no significant role in emergency communications,

Those people are mistaken.

Well, well. If only Almostintimefine had chimed in six moths ago.

Of whom do you speak?

As it is, you've allowed the naysayers to think legitimate civilian
communication systems are to be shunned.

How?

yet
about every footage of hurricane action film depicted an official with
a cellular telephone.

Of course.

Of course.

Some people say that amateur radio
has no significant role in emergency
communications, because of cellilar
phones.

cellular.

They are mistaken, too.

Of course.

The valid point is that cellular phones
cannot
be absolutely relied upon for emergency
communications.

What can be absolutely relied upon for emergency communications?

Nothing is absolutely reliable.

You just never know when you
might need one,

If so, why have any tests at all?

Because we already have a radio service without tests which can be
used for emergency communications.

What radio service is that?

The services presently covered under Part 95.

What radio services are they?

How well does it function in emergencies?

Depends on how many trash mouths have emergency power, or how many
trash mouths in the unaffected area want to interfere in legitimate
emergency comms.

What are "trash mouths?"

How well has it functioned in the recent

hurricane emergencies?

and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Morse Code has had a role
in some emergency communications
recently. These are well documented
by people who participated.

Do tell.

It is true.

Even today.

Citations?

We do not think you would
believe or accept any citations.

However, to claim that every
radio amateur must be tested on Morse
Code because there might someday be
a need to use it in an emergency is quite
a stretch of credibility.

An incredible stretch.

Most incredible, to be quite accurate.

An impossible stretch, 1991. Now let's discuss HF.

How is it impossible?

It is clear that Len's interest goes far
beyond
eliminating the Morse Code test.\

He wants to eliminate the morse code test.

And much more.

I'm the one who wants one license.

So does Len.

I don't recall him calling for any
particular license structure other than the elimination of a Morse
Code Exam for HF access.

He wants more than
the elimination of the Morse
Code test.

If you have information that contradicts what I've just posted I'd
like to see it.

Read his posts. Note how
he belittles almost everything
radio amateurs do. Note his
particular animosity to the
Morse Code itself, and any
radio amateurs who use it.

To quote a wise one:

"It is not the Morse, but the hatred"

I'm not familiar with that wise one. Who is it?

Blackguard Vox Deus

Ah, yes, Darkguard. I've heard him. He hails from the dark side.

"Darkguard" is not his name.

Do you not "have the guts" to
use his name?

He/she has demonstrated
wisdom here.

So has Jim but he is not revered.

Which "Jim"? Several have posted
here.

Repeatedly.

Repeatedly.

But he has gone over to the dark side also.

He condones K4YZ behavio[u]r.

Of whom do you speak?

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open for Comment
From: (William)
Date: 9/18/2004 6:10 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I say you just shot your mouth off without thinking.

Sound's like brick is coming my way.

The "brick" is your own stupid assertions, Brian. If you'd do a bit of
thoughtful and careful THINKING before you hit the "SEND" key, you'd get far
less stuff thrown back at you.

What are you talking about?

So far I have no bricks through my window, no tires slashed, and my
wife and kids have experienced no terrorism. You're the only one
saying that I've "shot my mouth off."

But you "predict" the bricks, etc, are coming.

He's "predicted" that he has the "professional qualifications" to make
one simple phone call to have "authorities come take us away." :-)

I'm still waiting. Was gone over the weekend, but no "authorities'"
notices were posted on the door... :-)

I wonder if Amelia has had the same "predictions?" :-)

"Outside" the US Amateur Bands does not mean outside of the United
States.

Why not?

Also, do radio waves respect international boundaries???

The air ace and veteran of seven hostile actions doesn't know about
radio waves and their lack of respect of human laws.

Tsk. For someone who demands all that respect, you'd think he
would get out of a radio hobby? :-)

And as of today, Lennie still does not have a license to operate INSIDE
the Amateur Bands (of ANY country). Nor does he have a license to transmit
OUTSIDE the US Amateur Bands without an FCC issued station license. (As a
US
Citizen, a foreign license of ANY nature is useless in the United States
except
as a keepsake for Lennie...)

73

Steve, K4YZ

Blabber, blabber by the gunnery nurse...who has NO AUTHORIZATION
to "operate" OUTSIDE of the amateur bands. :-)

Tsk, tsk. All that "authorization" rage! :-)

There are lots and lots and lots of JA's with HK2 and KH6 licenses.
Why is it not possible that Len has a Japanese or Mexican or UK
license?

No such possibility.

Actually, the Canadian rules are much better towards the ham hobby,
and look more attractive when compared to U.S. rules. Interesting.

No offense to Leo, but Canada has something called "snow" and
"rain" in the winter season. Not attractive to me. :-)

Maybe he has a UK license and is licensed to operate in the MF bands
where the U.S. Amateur Radio Service has no authorizations.

There's no "maybes."

My self-assigned task was simply to advocate the removal of the
morse code test for any U.S. radio license. No more, no less, but
a bunch of overly-prideful super radio extras think their Way of Life
is threatened and must "do battle." :-)

Removal of the code test would remove Life as They Know It in
ham radio.

No more brag claims about being the perfect morse operator, etc.

That alone has struck terror into their individual psyches. Tsk.

[in nursie's case, all his multiple personalities...]


You need to brush up on your foreign amateur radio rules before
shooting off your mouth again.

So far he's been shooting blanks. Lots and lots of flash and bang
but nothing lasting in the way of damage.

I'll just have to keep waiting for the results of that "phone call."

Hi hi.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 9/16/2004 4:58 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: (William)
Date: 9/16/2004 4:15 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

He's not "AUTHORIZED" to emit RF OUTSIDE the U. S. Amateur
Bands

K4CAP: What "other country", Brian?

Whatever other country that Len might happen to be in.

What "other country", Brian?

Whatever other country that Len might happen to be in.

I'm in the United States of America.

Really. California is just one of the 50 states of the USA. :-)

I've been into Mexico and Canada. Nice places. Good
neighbors.

I've not said a single word about another country's "rules and regs of
amateurism".

You said, "OUTSIDE the U. S. Amateur Bands"

Len gets to decide what other countries. Then you have to
provide the rules that deny him access.

Nursie is a Gunnery Nurse! He is also a PCTA extra. He doesn't have
to do a damn (excuse me, "darn") thing about what others demand!

Says so in his Oath of Allegiance or something that he vowed when
he joined the "service." [of amateur radio]

He is a veteran of seven hostile actions...knows who runs MARS...
and has the "professional qualifications" to make simple phone
calls to "authorities" to have them pick me or you up.

Not only that, we must wait in fear for bricks to come flying through
our windows or our wives terrorized!

Nursie has "threatened!"

yawn

The context of the posts were directly related to your mentor's lack
of
legal authorization to emit RF inside or outside of the US Amateur Radio
bands.
(Certain FCC exceptions to authorized unlicensed operation not
withstanding).

(Such as the Part 15 and Part 95 devices that I rubbed your nose in,
notwithstanding?)

Hmmm..."context of this thread" is all about "my having authorization
inside or outside of the USA?"

Could have sworn that the subject thread concerned "CANADIAN No
Code Proposal" which was open for comment...by Canadians.

Nursie stepped in and had to misdirect everything to his fabulous
FIGHT with each and every person who disagrees with him. Tsk.

Waiting for you to show us where you got the "another country's"
business
from. I say you just shot your mouth off without thinking.

Sound's like brick is coming my way.

I'll make sure my wife is prepared for terrorism.

Yup. "Steve and the boys" will Come To Your House and show your
family the Error of Your Ways! :-)

[I'd yawn but it really is too funny... :-) ]

On 20 Sep 2004 22:22:59 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:
snip

No offense to Leo, but Canada has something called "snow" and
"rain" in the winter season. Not attractive to me. :-)

None taken - neither of these wonderful weather conditions are
particularly attractive to me either! :)

snip



73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

On 20 Sep 2004 22:22:59 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:
snip

No offense to Leo, but Canada has something called "snow" and
"rain" in the winter season. Not attractive to me. :-)

None taken - neither of these wonderful weather conditions are
particularly attractive to me either! :)

So, enough small talk about weather conditions. :-) Hear anything
worthwhile among the RAC folks and Industry Canada on this new
proposal?

On 22 Sep 2004 04:05:24 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

On 20 Sep 2004 22:22:59 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:
snip

No offense to Leo, but Canada has something called "snow" and
"rain" in the winter season. Not attractive to me. :-)

None taken - neither of these wonderful weather conditions are
particularly attractive to me either! :)

So, enough small talk about weather conditions. :-) Hear anything
worthwhile among the RAC folks and Industry Canada on this new
proposal?

Not yet - we're patiently waiting for the comments period to close,
and to see what happens next.....speculation is that the revisions
will be in place by year end.

Then again, it's in the hands of the Government......which means that
resolution by year end is guaranteed - only the specific year is in
question! 8*p




73, Leo

In article , Leo
writes:

On 22 Sep 2004 04:05:24 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo

writes:

On 20 Sep 2004 22:22:59 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:
snip

No offense to Leo, but Canada has something called "snow" and
"rain" in the winter season. Not attractive to me. :-)

None taken - neither of these wonderful weather conditions are
particularly attractive to me either! :)

So, enough small talk about weather conditions. :-) Hear anything
worthwhile among the RAC folks and Industry Canada on this new
proposal?

Not yet - we're patiently waiting for the comments period to close,
and to see what happens next.....speculation is that the revisions
will be in place by year end.

Then again, it's in the hands of the Government......which means that
resolution by year end is guaranteed - only the specific year is in
question! 8*p

Roger that... :-)

Len Over 21 wrote:

My self-assigned task was simply to advocate the removal of the
morse code test for any U.S. radio license.

Well, there is part of the surreal world of one who has no intention to
actually obtain a license. Did you mean "amateur" radio license?

No more, no less, but
a bunch of overly-prideful super radio extras think their Way of Life
is threatened and must "do battle." :-)

Actually you've always done much, much more. Don't be backward or shy.
Accept the recognition for those things which you have done. A few days
ago, you didn't seem to know a thing about doing "battle".

Removal of the code test would remove Life as They Know It in
ham radio.

Where is the proof of your assertion and what could that mean to you?

No more brag claims about being the perfect morse operator, etc.

Why should that worry you? You aren't a morse operator.

Dave K8MN

Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open for Comment
From: Dave Heil
Date: 9/24/2004 7:27 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Len Over 21 wrote:

No more brag claims about being the perfect morse operator, etc.

Why should that worry you? You aren't a morse operator.

Actually, he's not ANY kind of operator, except for garage door opener,
microwave, and TV remote.

73

Steve, K4YZ