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Old September 21st 04, 12:23 AM
Len Over 21
 
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In article , Mike Coslo
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N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo

Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:



Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo

Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:



Len Over 21 wrote:




Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?



hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't

care
about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.



Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"



Not a good reply, Coslo.



Nor a good explanation.




Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.




Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes

longer to
heal as time marches on.



Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"



What are you talking about?



You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.




Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)



nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.



3.2 stuff? :-)



You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)



So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)




Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass


him.


Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.



It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.




This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it

was
HIS education that carried the day.



If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?


Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.



As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?



If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the

last
couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.



I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.



A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying

"He
who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come

off
the handle, call him names, etc.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's

trying
to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking

that
elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box

and
your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.


Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.



Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering

school
and into a successful EE career. Introduced me to a lot of good friends.

Showed
me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?


To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.



His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?


It isn't. But it IS the non-answer expected.

PCTA just don't have much validity in their reasons of keeping
the code test in regulations.

They are all into the fantasy of "brotherhood" in the "fraternity."

And of "service to their country" by engaging in a hobby...

ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.



Then point out the errors without the name calling.


Absolutely. Show ALL NCTA the "Error of their Ways!"

Hi hi.

Everything about removing the morse code test is an "Error"
as well as Heresy and an Abomination to the Ham Gods.

I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.



When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or

whatever,
it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.


Tsk. Not what "I" want.

PCTA are NEVER "wrong." Never.

Anything said against them is an "error." Hi hi.


No. good guess, but that was an exchange he had with Bessie Braddock, a


House of Commons member from Liverpool.


UK regulations came into the thread?

Tsk. Nice misdirection, but still misdirection.

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing

1.2
million messages at ADA in 1953".


Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...


Jimmie wasn't there. Jimmie wasn't ever in ANY military.

But Jimmie Knows The Truth about Everything and won't hesitate
to call any NCTA "in Error."

Kellie was never in any military.

Kellies also "knows truth."

That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other

than
what he is now...bitter and angry.



What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.


Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!


"In harmony with the world?"

Is the ARRL now expounding some kind of New Age thing for all hams?

Tsk, tsk. The "world" is that of the morsemen's fantasizing of yesterday.

If you want some real fantasy with buck attached, check into Paul
Crouch's TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network). Paul Crouch started
out as a licensed radio amateur...parlayed radio into nearly a billion-
dollar asset "religious" organization with laying on of green hands
to all his "ministry."

Crouch's rationality for greed and avarice is "God's Word."

TBN's "ministry" gives the flock God's Word and the flock give their
money to TBN and Crouch.

There's a religious parallel there. Like all hams of today MUST follow
the Old Teachings...as if they were the Word of God (which they
aren't). If you worship hobbies that way, you can call all non-believers
(in the old teachings of hamme) as "out of harmony" (crazy in a
supposedly civilized way).

Continue to support the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. It's your
"harmony."


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Old September 21st 04, 04:09 AM
Mike Coslo
 
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Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


N2EY wrote:


In article ,


(Steve

Robeson K4CAP) writes:



Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo

Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo

Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len Over 21 wrote:




Tsk, tsk. You want a meeting with charts and graphs and an
experienced presenter to show you examples of the infamous
Double Standard?!?!?


hmm, maybe. *Your answer* is what needs explaining. If I don't


care

about your mode, nor Steve's mode of expression, and you two are on
opposite sides of the discussion, I need an explanation of why that
means that I have a double standard.


Tsk. Still need an "explanation?"


Not a good reply, Coslo.


Nor a good explanation.




Lennie doesn't HAVE a "Double Standard" that he can use as an
example,
Mike. That's why he dodged answering your post.




Nope, I took the summer off to rest a torn meniscus. Takes


longer to

heal as time marches on.


Who filled in under your name in here "all summer?"


What are you talking about?


You'll have to forgive Lennie...If you posted even once in that time
period, he assumes that you anxiously devoured each and ever word he
wrote as
if there were no other nourishment to be had.




Or you may be smoking some "good stuff" that Bob Casey said I
was... :-)


nahh. nothing stronger than the occasional beer for me.


3.2 stuff? :-)


You smoke beer? How is that done? :-)


So. you deliberately misunderstand me to serve as the content of your
replies? noted! 8^)




Of course. "The Dodge" (not the automobile). A typical Lenniesque
diversion from having to acknowledge a comment which might embarrass

him.



Tsk. You should get a subscription to Psychology Today and
fill yourself in on what "relationships" are.


It is okay. This happens all over Netnews. Don't let it bother you too
much.




This is where Lennie gets most of his "education"...Periodicals that
his
wife subscribed to...Of course he'd have everyone here believe that it


was

HIS education that carried the day.


If you know all this Steve, why bother with Len at all?



Here's the question Steve. I think I know the answer already, but let's
check it out.


As long as Lenover21 continues to post in his present style, I assume
that you are happy to post in retort to him. Yes?


If you'll take careful notice, Mike, with rare exception over the last
few
months, I rare reply directly to anything he says. Most of it (like the


last

couple with you here) have been as a result of someone else's posts echoing
him.


I'm pretty convinced that even though there are times you find him
exasperating, it doesn't upset you to make the posts?

What would upset me even more is letting a bully go unchallenged.


A bully? Len only has as much power as you give him. Proof of the saying


"He

who angers me, controls me. " Len works jard to anger you, so you'll come


off

the handle, call him names, etc.

Note how upset he gets when people *don't* react in kind. Note how he's


trying

to get mild-mannered Mike Coslo worked up so that Mike will reply in kind.

But Mr. Coslo doesn't work that way. I suspect his time on the ice is one
reason. (One trick in hockey is to do something when the ref isn't looking


that

elicits a violent reaction when the ref *is* looking. Result: Penalty box


and

your team is down a player for several minutes. Games are won and lost that
way. So Mike stays cool and collected.



Amateur Radio is something that has enrichened my life and has been a
Godsend on more than one occassion.


Same for me. I think my background in ham radio got me into engineering


school

and into a successful EE career. Introduced me to a lot of good friends.


Showed

me a world many folks don't even know exists.

Why should Len's words bother me?



To allow a creep like Anderscum to trash it unabated would be
unthinkable.


His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?



It isn't. But it IS the non-answer expected.

PCTA just don't have much validity in their reasons of keeping
the code test in regulations.

They are all into the fantasy of "brotherhood" in the "fraternity."

And of "service to their country" by engaging in a hobby...





ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.


Then point out the errors without the name calling.



Absolutely. Show ALL NCTA the "Error of their Ways!"

Hi hi.

Everything about removing the morse code test is an "Error"
as well as Heresy and an Abomination to the Ham Gods.


I also believe that for good or bad, you enjoy it to a certain extent.

Only that it lends some balance to his mistruthfulness and deceit.


When you call him "Lennie" and "anderscum" and go off on his wife or


whatever,

it undermines *your* credibility. Which is just what he wants.



Tsk. Not what "I" want.

PCTA are NEVER "wrong." Never.

Anything said against them is an "error." Hi hi.



No. good guess, but that was an exchange he had with Bessie Braddock, a
House of Commons member from Liverpool.



UK regulations came into the thread?


I'll start commenting from here, because this is the first part of the
post you are replying to that is from me, despite what it says at the top.

I didn't know that Winston Churchill had conversations with Bessie
Braddock about Ham regulations. You would think we would get more
publicity on that! 8^)

Tsk. Nice misdirection, but still misdirection.


Just a direction, noting else. If you want to talk about Churchill, I'd
be happy to. Quite a character!

Lennie did one active duty tour in the Army. Good for him.

But I know people who have made far greater contributions to the United
States who never left thier home state than Lennie ever hoped to "passing


1.2

million messages at ADA in 1953".

Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...



Jimmie wasn't there. Jimmie wasn't ever in ANY military.


I was never "in" any either. Is that a problem?

But Jimmie Knows The Truth about Everything and won't hesitate
to call any NCTA "in Error."


I've disagreed with him and he's admitted when he was wrong, or if not
wrong, when I've had a good point. He's also pointed out when he thinks
I'm wrong too.

Kellie was never in any military.


hmmm

Kellies also "knows truth."


Might be a conspiracy going here Lenover21!


That's what get's his goat. The really sad thing is that Lennie COULD
be in that same boat...but just hasn't got the guts to be anything other


than

what he is now...bitter and angry.


What makes you think Len is bitter or angry? I don't see that at all.


Hard to say, Jim. I don't think posts such as his come from a sense of
being in harmony with the world, tho'!



"In harmony with the world?"


In harmony with the world.

Is the ARRL now expounding some kind of New Age thing for all hams?


You could check out their website

Tsk, tsk. The "world" is that of the morsemen's fantasizing of yesterday.

If you want some real fantasy with buck attached, check into Paul
Crouch's TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network). Paul Crouch started
out as a licensed radio amateur...parlayed radio into nearly a billion-
dollar asset "religious" organization with laying on of green hands
to all his "ministry."


Good, a new story! I'm really getting bored with that Morse code stuff...

Crouch's rationality for greed and avarice is "God's Word."


TBN's "ministry" gives the flock God's Word and the flock give their
money to TBN and Crouch.


If there is a God, I bet s/he has a special reward for televangelists!

There's a religious parallel there. Like all hams of today MUST follow
the Old Teachings...as if they were the Word of God (which they
aren't). If you worship hobbies that way, you can call all non-believers
(in the old teachings of hamme) as "out of harmony" (crazy in a
supposedly civilized way).


Respectfully, I disagree. REspectfully I think you had to do a major
stretch for that analogy.


Continue to support the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society. It's your
"harmony."


I like my Harmony with onions, and maybe a bit of hot pepper, sautéed
with butter. Yuuummmmy! ;^)

But seriously, if you are happy this way, then its all good! 8^)

- mike KB3EIA -

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Old September 25th 04, 02:38 AM
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Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article ,

(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo

Date: 9/17/2004 8:11 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Steve Robeson K4CAP wrote:


Subject: Who peed in the pool
From: Mike Coslo

Date: 9/16/2004 6:49 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


Len Over 21 wrote:


His words have only as much power as you give them. Calling him "Anderscum"
simply lowers you to his level. Can't you see that's what he wants?


It isn't. But it IS the non-answer expected.

PCTA just don't have much validity in their reasons of keeping
the code test in regulations.


Validity in their reasons? It could be said that reasons you've set
forth for the elimination of morse testing don't have validity.

They are all into the fantasy of "brotherhood" in the "fraternity."


For the most part, the idea of "brotherhood" and "fraternity" are very
much alive in amateur radio. Then again, you've never been involved so
you might be excused for not knowing.

And of "service to their country" by engaging in a hobby...


Quite a number of radio amateurs are involved in service to country, to
community and to amateur radio itself. Then again, you've never been
involved so you might be excused for not knowing.

ESPECIALLY when he is so blatantly wrong on so many occassions.


Then point out the errors without the name calling.


Absolutely. Show ALL NCTA the "Error of their Ways!"

Hi hi.


It isn't a bad idea, Leonard. You can be shown but you still might not
understand.

Everything about removing the morse code test is an "Error"
as well as Heresy and an Abomination to the Ham Gods.


Am I still a ham god or am I not a god of radio? Did the several of you
inhabiting the body of leonard anderson ever come to an agreement?


Len and over 700 other military personnel there at the time...


Jimmie wasn't there. Jimmie wasn't ever in ANY military.

But Jimmie Knows The Truth about Everything and won't hesitate
to call any NCTA "in Error."

Kellie was never in any military.

Kellies also "knows truth."


There are certainly records, Leonard, but you were there. If Jim's
number of personnel present is incorrect, set the record straight. But
that isn't the issue, is it?


Dave K8MN
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