In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Indeed. You managed to cobble together a paragraph which doesn't
address my comments at all.

Tsk. One is REQUIRED to "address your comments," your
royalness? :-)

Not at all, your Foghorn Lenhorn-ness. You can type a paragraph about
regional variations in Swahili dialect in response to someone's input on
the possibilities for the introduction of errors in RTTY messages. It's
just that doing so will make you look rather simple-minded.

Tsk. Try to stay focussed. I wasn't "introducing Swahili dialect"
into anything. :-)

Can a morse radiotelegraph circuit introduce error or is it supposedly
free from error of any kind?

Answer that yes and you yourself are very simple-minded. Tsk.


Well, I certainly don't see things which aren't there. :-) :-)

Tsk. You are seeing things not there continually.

I made no remark about "introducing Swahili dialects." You did.


No, I haven't forgotten any of those things. My experience in such
things is much more recent than your own and it is therefore fresher in
my memory. All of those things introduce a time lag.

Tsk. Are you saying that TTY "introduces a time lag" now?

Are you also saying manual morse is instantaneous?

More tsk. You should be out educating all the rest of the
radio services on the supposed efficacy of morse code and
manual on-off carrier keying.

All the rest of those radio services that once used morse have
dropped it for communications purposes.

Then there are a number of radio services which never bothered
with any morse code when they began.

But, you will then "argue" that "this is amateur radio" as if it was
a haven, shrine, or religious temple for morse code and that all
amateurs MUST test for it...won't you? :-)


They surely do "affect" morse reception, but you were touting the
superiority of RTTY.

Incorrect. I was simply pointing out that morse code telegraphy
is the SLOWEST of all modes available to U.S. radio amateurs.

But, you cannot keep on the subject and must always attack
the persons of those who disagree with you. Tsk.


Those "home hobby ham stations" use RTTY too, Leonard.

You don't, do you? :-)

I'm quite
familiar with the use of FSK. It is still effected by noise and
multipath distortion.

...and on-off keyed carriers are NOT so affected? :-)

Of course they are. You are too simple-minded to admit to that.


So, if I've got this right, we save on paper but spend on equipment.
There's a dilemma. If my morse stuff is in memory on a keyer or PC, I
can resend it quickly and easily without resorting to any paper.

Tsk. "Spend on equipment?" What are you communicating with
on this newsgroup? Morse code into your telephone line? :-)

Tsk. So simple-minded you walked into that very visible trap
like a blind man trying to bluff.


The fact is that while FEC can be of some help, it is still subject to
errors. It isn't a robust system like packet or Sitor/Amtor.

...and, to you, of course, manual morse code is without error. :-)

Lacking a few received characters in morse? Why, just fill in the
blanks. Who will know? :-)


I don't have much in the way of negative criticism for non-morse
communication methods, Leonard. Fact is, I use most of 'em.

Of course you do...oh, yes, everything from facsimile to slow-
scan TV. :-)

Fact is,
on/off keying cuts it quite well in the communications world of now.

By whom? Third- and fourth-world nations who don't have any
capital monies to invest? :-)

Face the facts. The rest of the radio world does NOT use morse
code for communications.

That hasn't changed just because you aren't proficient in its use.

TRY to stay focussed on the subject instead of (once more)
launching into personalities.

TRY to understand that the rest of the radio communications
world does NOT use morse code for communications.

All you can do is to be very trying...


Despite the statement above, your diatribe doesn't read like someone who
supports use of morse code.

Tsk. You ARE seeing things that aren't there...


Did you confuse me with you there for a moment?

Never happen. I know me. I know you. You do NOT know me.

"Arrogant thundering" = any disagreement with your views.

You can't stay focussed on the subject. All you can do is act
the thunder mug on anything I post. :-)


Past tense?

I'm using the Internet to send these messages. Whether that uses
radio or other means is not an issue. Except by your misdirection
and seeing things that aren't there.


That's a load of manure, Leonard. That isn't the "only" at all. It is
any radio amateur who uses morse and supports continuation of morse
testing. I, for one, couldn't care less if you decide to "emulate" me
or not.

Irrelevant.

NO one cares to "emulate" you. :-)


What YOU write here isn't the case simply because YOU write it. Radio
amateurs worldwide are using morse code daily for real communications.
That you don't approve doesn't change that.

Again, irrelevant.

At issue is the morse code TEST, not whether or not "Dave" or his ilk
"use morse."

Note that USE has no real relation to the MORSE TEST.

Or do you spend all your amateur radio time "taking tests?" :-)


There isn't any "higher morse rate" testing.

Isn't that awful...hi hi.


You aren't even involved.

Tsk...with role models like the archtypical PCTA extra, who would
want to be "involved" in amateur radio? :-)

It would really take an arrogant bully to
expect radio amateurs to swallow your view of how amateur radio should
be regulated.

Tsk. I feel that the USA should have the FCC regulate amateur radio,
all according to the Communications Act of 1934 plus the Congressional
law of 1996.

Who do you feel should "regulate" U.S. amateur radio?

A bunch of arrogant bullies trying to make newcomers swallow their
bilge about doing as they had to do?

What do you know of the "fun" of amateur radio?

Tsk. What do you know of "fun" in ANYTHING? :-)

Well, there you have it--the opinion of one never involved in amateur
radio; one whom it would seem finds that five word per minute exam an
insurmountable obstacle to his entry into amateur radio.

Tsk. Still seeing things that aren't there.

Still tossing out personal pejoratives instead of discussing the subjects.

THAT is the "fun" that appears in this amateur radio newsgroup. :-)


So you believe that all that goes on in HF amateur radio is the use of
morse? You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on.

Tsk. You don't have any idea of how to discuss things civilly.


Petition your government for redress of your numerous grievances.

I have. :-)

You don't like that. TS for you. :-)


Different interests? What are your "interests" in amateur radio, Len?
What do YOU consider "vital" to ham radio enjoyment?

Freedom from the oppression of olde-tyme hammes insistent on
ruling over all others would be a good start... :-)

Oh, tsk. That would eliminate you, wouldn't it? Can't have that.

You have to stay here and effect ethnic cleansing of U.S. amateur
radio. All must think and act in the "officially approved" manner. :-)

Which has a strange similarity to your own interests, narrow as
those might be...


You have to be in if you:

1. want to partake in those things "vital to ham radio enjoyment".

This was NOT a discussion about "partaking" in anything.

Then, again, this isn't a discussion at all...just "Dave" trying to
push others around. Again.

2. want to be seen as credible.

Lets "Dave" out...he is INcredible. :-)

The FCC regulates U.S. civil radio.

You aren't the FCC.

NEITHER ARE YOU. :-)


I'd have thought you'd have picked up on this one by now. Those people
are paid to regulate amateur radio. They are PROFESSIONALS.

YOU are not a professional regulator...just an amateur one.

YOU may be admitted to A bar, but never a bar association.


That's be another incorrect response. I'm a participant.

You are a precipitate. The dried leftovers following evaporation.

Participants are more important than regulators.

Tell that to Congress. Have them change the Communications Act
of 1934. :-)

With no participants, there'd be nothing to regulate.

Keep at it with your warmth and charm in newsgroups and that will
be a foregone conclusion. :-)


You're an old thing and I'm not demanding to keep you.

Tsk. Again with the personal pejoratives. :-)

So...you are "young?" :-)


Are you going to STOP me?!? Oh, my. Tsk.

Why, no. You do that. Consider yourself stopped by inertia.

Tsk. You, repeat YOU, keep trying to stop me.

Your technique (word used instead of other nasty ones) does NOT
work!

Sunnuvagun!


It has been pointed out on numerous occasions that no one has prevented
you from spilling your guts.

Feel free to do your own seppuku. Nobody is stopping you... :-)

But you just can't force anyone to take
your stuff seriously.

You aren't "anyone." You are the arrogant bully of the newsgroup,
even better than the gunnery nurse. :-)

Wouldn't dream of trying to make YOU seriously "take" anything.

That's what you try to do to others. :-)


You attempt to push others around quite frequently.

Tsk. You gods of radio seem to think you are inviolate. Nobody is
supposed to say ANYTHING nasty to you dieties. :-)

It's tough being
arrogant about amateur radio when you aren't actually a licensed ham
though.

It's much much more arrogant when you ARE a licensed ham (either
FCC or FDA) and you keep on trying to push folks around, strip
citizens of their Rights such as the First Amendment. Tsk.

First Amendment. Refresh your memory with what it means.

It says that my right to free speech is equal to your own.

Tsk. It does NOT say your right is in any way stronger than mine.

Yet, throughout in here, that's what you keep on claiming.

It makes no
requirement for me to accept your views or to refrain from giving you
the raspberries.

YOU would NOT come even close to accepting a contrary idea
to what you hold... :-)


You misread. I wrote that you have no experience in *amateur* radio.

According to "Dave," one can't have ANY "interest in radio" without
getting an amateur radio license! :-)

Wasn't any qualifier to the word "radio" when "Dave" wrote it. :-)


Heh heh heh heh. I'm a long-time veteran of computer-modem
communications with a survivor's thick virtual skin. :-)

Virtual skin? Is that like those "message knuckles" you wrote about
some time back?

LIke I've seen lots of computer-modem bullies in the last 20 years.
Most of those are gone. I'm still here... :-)


Well, you seem to have it on points over those who tired of your
nonsense and left, and over those whose respiration stopped. I'm
betting that I can outlast you.

Anything is possible... :-)

You are a god of radio. One of the Four Morsemen of this
Apocalypse.


You probably lose some folks as soon as you start your "jump through the
same hoops" schpiel.

Poor baby. Still can't get used to what others say of the morse
test, can you? :-)

You aren't yet a newcomer and you'll not be able
to jump through my hoops. They no longer exist.

Incorrect.

But, it is impossible to get you to admit to an error.

You are a god of radio and therefore inviolate.


I'm sure that it seems that way to a guy with an obvious inferiority
complex; a guy who sees demands in ordinary statements; a guy who views
the comments of those who don't agree with him as "arrogant",
"bullying", "imperious".

Now, now, don't get upset...the mirror you are looking into when
writing that has YOUR reflection! :-)


Need matters not. You brayed about insistence that all must do as I
have done. Fact is, it can't be done. Tsk, tsk. Poor baby.

Sadness is. When "Dave" was made, the mould was broken...

[or was that "mold?" Sometimes its hard to tell the difference...]


Now, watch it come to pass.

Tsk. "Dave" keeps on with the personal pejoratives and gets all
flustered when they aren't received well.

If you threw passes properly then receivers might catch them.
Remember which way your goalposts are on the field...you keep
forgetting and that's not good. You should practice punting.
Your arm must be so sore from throwing all that stuff you throw....

Try to play with your Orion some more. Seriously, not trivially.
Can't have a god of radio use equipment trivially. :-)

If you go away from your radio toys into the newsgroup, then lots
of replies to you will "just write themselves!" :-)