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October 17th 04, 08:03 PM

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Tsk. Are you saying that TTY "introduces a time lag" now?

It does. And when things like prepunched tape are used, the time lag
increases.

By how much? Give us all the benefit of your long experience in
commercial HF communications and demonstrate the total
uselessness of RTTY as compared to mighty morse code.

All the rest of those radio services that once used morse have
dropped it for communications purposes.

Not all. Almost all. And so what? They are not amateur radio.

Amazing...Rev. Jim finally appeared out of his haze and admitted
that other radio services exist!

Should hams stop using Morse Code?

No.

Should the FCC keep on testing for morse code just because some
amateurs "still use it?"

Then there are a number of radio services which never bothered
with any morse code when they began.

So what?

Tsk. It should really hurt the egos of mighty macho morsemen to
know that many radio services just never bothered with morse code
when they began. Tsk, tsk...all that flouting of "tradition" from when
on-off keying was the ONLY way to communicate by radio!

But, you will then "argue" that "this is amateur radio" as if it was
a haven, shrine, or religious temple for morse code and that all
amateurs MUST test for it...won't you? :-)

You are confused between "test" and "use".

Tsk, tsk. NO confusion. :-)

Morse Code is *not* the "SLOWEST of all modes available to U.S. radio
amateurs."

Awww...now you are thinking that my statement was a "direct
personal attack" on your mighty morsemanship? :-)

Is manual morse code faster than 100+ WPM data?

Is manual morse code faster than the spoken word?

If you answer "yes" to either, show your work. Preferrably on a home
page using recycled pixels. :-)

Nobody but FM broadcaster uses the stereo multiplex system developed over a
half-century ago by Armstrong.

Hello? Ol' Ed developed the "L+R, L-R on a subcarrier" method of
present-day FM stereo sound broadcasting? Tsk, I don't think so.

Rev. Jim is getting too much like his buddy, the gunnery nurse. :-)

And the word is spelled "focused".

Try not to use dirty words in here. The children might object. :-)

Why is that important to amateur radio, Len? You repeat that statement over
and over like a mantra, but never explain its significance.

Tsk, tsk. I never once thought I could get dyed-in-the-wool (before
their eyes) morsemen to think their ultra-favorite mode was
(shudder!) "inferior" to anything else! :-)

Right - you don't support the use of Morse Code. You'd ban it from ham radio
if you could.

Tsk, tsk, TSK. Trying to put words in other people's opinions?

Nasty lie, jungle Jim. You swung on the wrong vine again...

You posts often look like, and contain, the contents of said mug.....;-)

Tsk, tsk. Direct personal attacks again.

Yup, jungle Jim left his taxi to join the gunnery nurse...

I care to emulate K8MN.

Keep us informed on which embassy post you get...bye...

Then why are you here, Len?

Just advocating the elimination of the morse code test for any
amateur radio license. :-)

October 17th 04, 11:55 PM

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Tsk. Are you saying that TTY "introduces a time lag" now?

It does. And when things like prepunched tape are used, the time lag
increases.

By how much?

Depends on the situation.

Give us all the benefit of your long experience in
commercial HF communications and demonstrate the total
uselessness of RTTY as compared to mighty morse code.

Who says RTTY is useless? Not me.

All the rest of those radio services that once used morse have
dropped it for communications purposes.

Not all. Almost all. And so what? They are not amateur radio.

Amazing...Rev. Jim finally appeared out of his haze and admitted
that other radio services exist!

Who has ever denied that other radio services exist? Not me.

Should hams stop using Morse Code?

No.

Should the FCC keep on testing for morse code just because some
amateurs "still use it?"

Yes.

Then there are a number of radio services which never bothered
with any morse code when they began.

So what?

Tsk. It should really hurt the egos of mighty macho morsemen to
know that many radio services just never bothered with morse code
when they began. Tsk, tsk...all that flouting of "tradition" from when
on-off keying was the ONLY way to communicate by radio!

Doesn't answer the question.

But, you will then "argue" that "this is amateur radio" as if it was
a haven, shrine, or religious temple for morse code and that all
amateurs MUST test for it...won't you? :-)

You are confused between "test" and "use".

Tsk, tsk. NO confusion. :-)

You're confused.

Morse Code is *not* the "SLOWEST of all modes available to U.S. radio
amateurs."

Awww...now you are thinking that my statement was a "direct
personal attack" on your mighty morsemanship? :-)

Nope. Just a mistake on your part.

Is manual morse code faster than 100+ WPM data?

Depends on the situation.

Is manual morse code faster than the spoken word?

Depends on the situation. In some cases, Morse Code *is* faster.

If you answer "yes" to either, show your work.

Why? I've already given examples of situations where Morse Code is faster than
other modes.

Preferrably on a home
page using recycled pixels. :-)

It's spelled "preferably".

Nobody but FM broadcaster uses the stereo multiplex system developed over a
half-century ago by Armstrong.

Hello? Ol' Ed developed the "L+R, L-R on a subcarrier" method of
present-day FM stereo sound broadcasting? Tsk, I don't think so.

Irrelevant.

Does any other service use that system?

Why is that important to amateur radio, Len? You repeat that statement over
and over like a mantra, but never explain its significance.

Tsk, tsk. I never once thought I could get dyed-in-the-wool (before
their eyes) morsemen to think their ultra-favorite mode was
(shudder!) "inferior" to anything else! :-)

Doesn't answer the question.

Right - you don't support the use of Morse Code. You'd ban it from ham radio
if you could.

Tsk, tsk, TSK. Trying to put words in other people's opinions?

No, just an opinion on my part based on lots of observations. You seem to have
a big problem with opposing opinions, Len.

You posts often look like, and contain, the contents of said mug.....;-)

Tsk, tsk. Direct personal attacks again.

Not at all, Len. I simply expressed an opinion of your postings here, not of
you personally. I didn't say *you* resemble the contents of said mug....;-)

Perhaps you so closely identify your own self-image with your postings here
that you take any uncomplimentary opinion as a direct personal attack.

Perhaps you are upset because all did not fall down in awe and worship of your
wordsmithing here.

Besides, I used one of those smiley-thingies. That means it's OK, right? ;-)

I care to emulate K8MN.

Keep us informed on which embassy post you get...bye...

Then why are you here, Len?

Just advocating the elimination of the morse code test for any
amateur radio license. :-)

The smiley tells me not to take that sentence seriously ;-)

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