PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:
In article , Dave Heil

writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
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PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

All that's needed is for
him to obtain a valid amateur radio license, and an amateur radio station.

Why are you so focussed on all MUST have a ham license to
discuss anything in here?

Where did I say that?

Jim, that is a pervasive theme in RRAP, the "requirement" of having an
amateur radio license to discuss things -radio- related.

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic. If you support it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP. Schindler.

So you're either for it or agin it. Support Kelly, Heil, and Robeson?

You decide.

Time to get off of the fence.

Best of Luck.

William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:
In article , Dave Heil

writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

All that's needed is for
him to obtain a valid amateur radio license, and an amateur radio station.

Why are you so focussed on all MUST have a ham license to
discuss anything in here?

Where did I say that?

Jim, that is a pervasive theme in RRAP, the "requirement" of having an
amateur radio license to discuss things -radio- related.

One of your continuing problems is that of telling the difference
between what you think has been written and what has actually been
written.
Firstly, this isn't a "radio-related" newsgroup. It is an "amateur
radio-related" newsgroup. Len discusses and discusses. Mostly, his
windbag routine consists of insulting radio amateurs and the ARRL.
Sometimes he includes personal historical data having nothing to do with
amateur radio. Very little of what he posts has a thing to do with any
current or past amateur radio policy matter.

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic. If you support it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP. Schindler.

I note your silence on gay marriage. By your silence, you must support
it. You've been awfully silent on the matter of Scott Pederson. It
could be said that you must support him.

So you're either for it or agin it. Support Kelly, Heil, and Robeson?

....or he couldn't care less.

Time to get off of the fence.

I'd strongly suggest that you do so--especially if you're sitting on top
of one of the posts.

Dave K8MN

My spam filtering blocked this until Dave's reply....

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:
In article , Dave Heil

writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article
,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

All that's needed is for
him to obtain a valid amateur radio license, and an amateur radio
station.

Why are you so focussed on all MUST have a ham license to
discuss anything in here?

Where did I say that?

Jim, that is a pervasive theme in RRAP, the "requirement" of having an
amateur radio license to discuss things -radio- related.

Where, when and how did *I* say that "all MUST have a ham license to discuss
anything in here?"

If it seems to some to be a "pervasive theme", that's due to the fact that Len
writes it over and over....

As I've said many times before, *anyone* with internet/usenet access can post
here. Credibility is a different issue - it has to be earned.

One of your continuing problems is that of telling the difference
between what you think has been written and what has actually been
written.

"William" does seem to have that problem.

Firstly, this isn't a "radio-related" newsgroup. It is an "amateur
radio-related" newsgroup.

True.

Len discusses and discusses.

Very true!


Mostly, his
windbag routine consists of insulting radio amateurs and the ARRL.

One caveat: That behavior is reserved for those who disagree with him, or point
out errors in his statements.

There's a one-paragraph profile of Len's behavior floating around...

Sometimes he includes personal historical data having nothing to do with
amateur radio. Very little of what he posts has a thing to do with any
current or past amateur radio policy matter.

True and true again.

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic.

Where, when and how did *I* say that "all MUST have a ham license to discuss
anything in here?"

If it seems to some to be a "pervasive theme", that's due to the fact that Len
writes it over and over....

As I've said many times before, *anyone* with internet/usenet access can post
here. Credibility is a different issue - it has to be earned.

If you support it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP.

Not true! Faulty logic.

Schindler.

What significance does that name have to amateur radio policy?

Do you seek to flatter me by comparing me to one of the most heroic figures in
human history?

I note your silence on gay marriage. By your silence, you must support
it. You've been awfully silent on the matter of Scott Pederson. It
could be said that you must support him.

So you're either for it or agin it.

It's not a binary issue.

Support Kelly, Heil, and Robeson?

On some things, yes. On others, no. Independent thought on my part.

...or he couldn't care less.

Time to get off of the fence.

Is that an order? Or a demand?

I'd strongly suggest that you do so--especially if you're sitting on top
of one of the posts.

By his own logic, "William" must support Len's behavior here.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 10/6/2004 10:55 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

My spam filtering blocked this until Dave's reply....

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Mostly, his
windbag routine consists of insulting radio amateurs and the ARRL.

One caveat: That behavior is reserved for those who disagree with him, or
point
out errors in his statements.

Which is, unfortunately for him, just about anyone with a week's worth of
practical experience in Amateur Radio that KNOWS BETTER.

I'd strongly suggest that you do so--especially if you're sitting on top
of one of the posts.

By his own logic, "William" must support Len's behavior here.

I prefer to think of it as sinking to the lowest irrational denominator.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:
In article , Dave Heil

writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

All that's needed is for
him to obtain a valid amateur radio license, and an amateur radio station.

Why are you so focussed on all MUST have a ham license to
discuss anything in here?

Where did I say that?

Jim, that is a pervasive theme in RRAP, the "requirement" of having an
amateur radio license to discuss things -radio- related.

One of your continuing problems is that of telling the difference
between what you think has been written and what has actually been
written.

David, one of your continuing problems is that you assume that all of
the RRAP rules are written. Some rules born out my your actions, not
necessarily carved in stone with a flood light illuminating it.

Firstly, this isn't a "radio-related" newsgroup.

But it is.

It is an "amateur
radio-related" newsgroup.

Please try to keep up. Notice the second "R" in RRAP? Amateur radio
is radio related.

Len discusses and discusses.

David decides and decrees.

"One of your problems is..."

"This has not been written..."

"This is not a radio related..."

Mostly, his
windbag routine consists of insulting radio amateurs and the ARRL.
Sometimes he includes personal historical data having nothing to do with
amateur radio. Very little of what he posts has a thing to do with any
current or past amateur radio policy matter.

Like "shooting bears?" I didn't see you complaining about that.

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic. If you support it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP. Schindler.

I note your silence on gay marriage. By your silence, you must support
it.

I don't believe that it has been a topic of discussion.

Are you making it one?

You've been awfully silent on the matter of Scott Pederson. It
could be said that you must support him.

I don't believe that Scott Pederson has been a topic of discussion.

Are you making him one?

So you're either for it or agin it. Support Kelly, Heil, and Robeson?

...or he couldn't care less.

You get vociferous if Len does something, yet strangely silent if
Kelly or Robeson does something Quitesimilar.

Time to get off of the fence.

I'd strongly suggest that you do so--especially if you're sitting on top
of one of the posts.

The only thing I've been on the fence over was the renewal of my ARRL
membership when the ARRL was recommending a license structure that I
couldn't support. That was years ago.

I've been very clear on other topics.

Dave K8MN

Are you now making fenceposts the topic of discussion?

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:
In article , Dave Heil

writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

(Brian Kelly) wrote in message
.com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:

All that's needed is for
him to obtain a valid amateur radio license, and an amateur radio station.

Why are you so focussed on all MUST have a ham license to
discuss anything in here?

Where did I say that?

Jim, that is a pervasive theme in RRAP, the "requirement" of having an
amateur radio license to discuss things -radio- related.

One of your continuing problems is that of telling the difference
between what you think has been written and what has actually been
written.

David, one of your continuing problems is that you assume that all of
the RRAP rules are written. Some rules born out my your actions, not
necessarily carved in stone with a flood light illuminating it.

I'm really having trouble deciphering "born out my your actions".
Did you perhaps mean "Some rules borne out by your actions"?
Was there supposed to be a verb in there somewhere? I made no comments
concerning "the RRAP rules", written or otherwise.

Firstly, this isn't a "radio-related" newsgroup.

But it is.

No, it isn't. Read statement below:

It is an "amateur
radio-related" newsgroup.

Please try to keep up. Notice the second "R" in RRAP? Amateur radio
is radio related.

This is not a general interest radio newsgroup.

Len discusses and discusses.

David decides and decrees.

"One of your problems is..."

....and an illustration was provided.

"This has not been written..."

....is not a quote from me.

"This is not a radio related..."

Actually, this one should have been "This is not a 'radio-related'..."
and it isn't. This newsgroup concerns amateur radio policy, not
broadcast radio policy, Citizens Band radio policy, GMS radio policy or
general radio policy. You can try making this into a "Sorry, Hans.
Mars is" argument but I'm not buying it.

Mostly, his
windbag routine consists of insulting radio amateurs and the ARRL.
Sometimes he includes personal historical data having nothing to do with
amateur radio. Very little of what he posts has a thing to do with any
current or past amateur radio policy matter.

Like "shooting bears?" I didn't see you complaining about that.

Actually, that was in response to one of Windy's tales of Soviet Bears,
"Willie".

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic. If you support it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP. Schindler.

I note your silence on gay marriage. By your silence, you must support
it.

I don't believe that it has been a topic of discussion.

See, you've been silent on it. You must condone it.

Are you making it one?

I can, if you like.

You've been awfully silent on the matter of Scott Pederson. It
could be said that you must support him.

I don't believe that Scott Pederson has been a topic of discussion.

By your silence on the matter, you must support him, according to your
rules.

Are you making him one?

I can, if you like.

So you're either for it or agin it. Support Kelly, Heil, and Robeson?

...or he couldn't care less.

You get vociferous if Len does something, yet strangely silent if
Kelly or Robeson does something Quitesimilar.

It is up to Jim whether he cares to comment on a post or not. It is up
to me whether I choose to comment on a post or not. If it bothers you,
do try and get over it.

Time to get off of the fence.

I'd strongly suggest that you do so--especially if you're sitting on top
of one of the posts.

The only thing I've been on the fence over was the renewal of my ARRL
membership when the ARRL was recommending a license structure that I
couldn't support. That was years ago.

I've been very clear on other topics.

....or so you seem to believe.

Are you now making fenceposts the topic of discussion?

Check it out, "William". You brought up fences.

Dave K8MN

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: Dave Heil
Date: 10/6/2004 10:46 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic. If you support it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP. Schindler.

I note your silence on gay marriage. By your silence, you must support
it.

I don't believe that it has been a topic of discussion.

See, you've been silent on it. You must condone it.

Are you making it one?

I can, if you like.

Brain was probably one of those folks who sat around mumbling "Why doesn't
Anita Bryant keep here mouth shut...?!?!"

And now that he's hooked up with Lennie the Lame, I am sure the whole
thing hits just a lil bit closer to home!

The only thing I've been on the fence over was the renewal of my ARRL
membership when the ARRL was recommending a license structure that I
couldn't support. That was years ago.

I've been very clear on other topics.

...or so you seem to believe.

For sure...

Goofball can't remember what he wrote just 2 days prior, so it's of no
small wonder at some of the things he must "believe"...For example he beleives
that some butter bar LT can give him permission to operate Amateur Radio from
within the jurisdiciton of another country.

He also believes that "unlicensed devices play a major role in emergency
communicaitons" I am still waiting one some kinda validation of that.

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: Dave Heil
Date: 10/6/2004 10:46 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic. If you support it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP. Schindler.

I note your silence on gay marriage. By your silence, you must support
it.

I don't believe that it has been a topic of discussion.

See, you've been silent on it. You must condone it.

Are you making it one?

I can, if you like.

Brain was probably one of those folks who sat around mumbling "Why doesn't
Anita Bryant keep here mouth shut...?!?!"

Why would I? I loved her orange juice song.

And now that he's hooked up with Lennie the Lame, I am sure the whole
thing hits just a lil bit closer to home!

Wait a minute. Are you back on the homosexual inuendo stuff?

The only thing I've been on the fence over was the renewal of my ARRL
membership when the ARRL was recommending a license structure that I
couldn't support. That was years ago.

I've been very clear on other topics.

...or so you seem to believe.

For sure...

Goofball can't remember what he wrote just 2 days prior, so it's of no
small wonder at some of the things he must "believe"...For example he beleives
that some butter bar LT can give him permission to operate Amateur Radio from
within the jurisdiciton of another country.

And so you prove yourself a liar again.

Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: (William)
Date: 10/7/2004 3:34 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: US Licensing Restructuring ??? When ???
From: Dave Heil
Date: 10/6/2004 10:46 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

William wrote:

If you missed it, then you must must be necrotic. If you support
it,
then you do so by your silence, as you do so many other topics on
RRAP. Schindler.

I note your silence on gay marriage. By your silence, you must
support
it.

I don't believe that it has been a topic of discussion.

See, you've been silent on it. You must condone it.

Are you making it one?

I can, if you like.

Brain was probably one of those folks who sat around mumbling "Why
doesn't
Anita Bryant keep here mouth shut...?!?!"

Why would I? I loved her orange juice song.

And now that he's hooked up with Lennie the Lame, I am sure the whole
thing hits just a lil bit closer to home!

Wait a minute. Are you back on the homosexual inuendo stuff?

There's no "innuendo", Brain.

You engage in one pattern of conduct when Lennie's not "around" for any
period of time.

When he "returns", your conduct changes to that of someone trying to
please him, as if a lover trying to satisfy thier mate.

It superceeds the "male bonding" framework.

The only thing I've been on the fence over was the renewal of my ARRL
membership when the ARRL was recommending a license structure that I
couldn't support. That was years ago.

I've been very clear on other topics.

...or so you seem to believe.

For sure...

Goofball can't remember what he wrote just 2 days prior, so it's of no
small wonder at some of the things he must "believe"...For example he
beleives
that some butter bar LT can give him permission to operate Amateur Radio
from
within the jurisdiciton of another country.

And so you prove yourself a liar again.

Hardly.

I DID prove that you had "forgotten" what YOU had stated only a couple
days previously. That's archived in YOUR post.

You have also stated in past correspondence that your commander gave you
"permission" to operate Amateur Radio from Somalia. If it was something othr
than a butter bar, I stand corrected, however you DID state it, Brain.

If it was other than an LT, I am in error, NOT lying.

Steve, K4YZ

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...

Actually, this one should have been "This is not a 'radio-related'..."
and it isn't. This newsgroup concerns amateur radio policy, not
broadcast radio policy, Citizens Band radio policy, GMS radio policy or
general radio policy. You can try making this into a "Sorry, Hans.
Mars is" argument but I'm not buying it.


Ummmm, Dave? Seems you've not only bought the argument, but you're pretty
much leading it. Of course, after all your tirades about me, seems the only
thing I've seen from you since I started reviewing the group again, is,
arguments. And, ya can't blame it on me, because I haven't been here.

Class? PAH!!!!

Kim W5TIT