"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


P L E A S E show me the "constructiveness" or "fairness" of Hans'
actions.

Inquiring minds, etc etc etc....


"Constructiveness" and "fairness"???? When attacked with unfounded and
untrue suggestions of wrongdoing (in this case, plagiarism) you will
never find me "fair" or "constructive". It was my intention to bare
your lie to public view, which I seem to have done.

I note in a message which the Editor of CQ sent to you and copied me, he
says:

"Dear Steve,

I did a search of our online database, which
extends back to 1990, and found nothing.
I also checked and found nothing in CQ VHF."


But keep looking, Steve, because my offer still stands. Cite the CQ
issue which contained this story, not written by me, and I'll send a
public apology "Letter to the Editor" of CQ.

Your move.

Put up or shut up.

36, de Hans, K0HB

"JAMES HAMPTON" wrote

Hello, Hans

This group could learn something, but I doubt most are able.


Thanks, Jim. Your plea for unity among hams of differing experience
level struck a chord with me, so I dragged out my old missive on that
subject to reinforce your point.

Unfortunately, no good deed goes unpunished!

73, Hans, ex-KG6AQI/Saipan

Subject: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 10/21/2004 11:49 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Unfortunately, no good deed goes unpunished!

What was YOUR last "good deed", Hans?

In THIS century, please...

Steve, K4YZ

"KØHB" wrote in message link.net...
"JAMES HAMPTON" wrote


No one, CB, novice, technician, general, advanced, nor extra, has all
of the
answers.

If we learn to live together, we might *all* learn something.


At least one person on here ought to be living apart from the rest of
society.


Talked to a young fella on the repeater the other day who introduced
himself by saying "my first personal is Jim and you're my first contact,
QSL?".

Wow! A newbie. You don't see many of those these days.

He seemed like a nice sort, delighted that he had just received his
shiny new call sign, and was anxious to make some new friends. Kinda
sounded like I felt when I put my new call sign on the air the first
time way back when, except probably brighter, cuz Jim is one of those
young computer jocks. Me, I still got problems with the LL scale on my
Pickett slide rule. Yep, I think Jim sounded brighter than me, quick to
catch on to things.

But I don't think Jim will be back on the repeater. Before I had a
chance to really get to know much about Jim, or even wrangle an invite
to lunch, another station, with an impressive "senior" call sign joined
the contact, flashed his shiny Radio Cop badge, and proceeded to issue
Jim a "verbal speeding ticket" for improper lingo on the radio. "Radio
Cop" said the term "personal" (and for that matter "handle") were
unwelcome in ham radio, and that Q-signals were not to be used on VHF
voice. Just generally made my newfound friend feel like an unwashed
interloper. (Gosh, I've been saying "handle" since I was a conditional
class. Slow to catch on, you know.)

Now I should point out that "Radio Cop" took pains to appear very well
meaning. Didn't use any bad words that I noticed, was quite polite, even
seemed like he was trying to be "helpful."

There's at least one of those in here, too.

In other words, he thought he
was doing Jim a favor by pointing out his transgression from our sacred
Amateur Radio way of doing things. I think Jim felt just the same way I
did back in a new school in third grade when the well meaning teacher
pointed out that "we don't keep our pencil behind our ear in this room."
Sure enough, I looked around and none of my new classmates had pencils
behind their ears. Sure was embarrassing, and at that moment I really
wished I was back with my good old buddies in second grade. Now, if I'd
been allowed to hang out a couple of days, I'm sure I would have learned
how to properly stow my pencil. And if Jim would have hung around a
couple of days on our repeater I just bet he would have noticed that his
lingo, perhaps learned in another radio service, was a bit out of place,
and pretty soon Jim would sound "just like the rest of us." Like I said,
he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things.

"Radio Cop", you have kept our hobby uncorrupted. I heard Jim down
around 27 Mhz this morning, and saw his ad on eBay trying to sell his
barely used 2-meter HT. I'm gonna miss my new friend Jim, because I
think I could have learned something from him. Maybe you could have
also.

Like I said, he seemed pretty bright to me, quick to catch on to things.
But he left us. Wonder what he "caught on" to?

73, de Hans, K0HB

Indeed. I had the opportunity to witness a new ham make a mistake on
a wide area St. Louis repeater. Radio Cop Curt/Advanced blasted him
without even trying to appear nice about it. Another ham intervened
and told Curt that his name was the first half of the word "Curteous."
Didn't phase him - he just kept going.

"JAMES HAMPTON" wrote in message
...
Hello, Steve

Whilst you folks argue on, I'm going to personally thank Mopar (a CBer, no
less) for getting me info on accessing the newsgroups in a decent fashion
after giving up my DSL account.

No one, CB, novice, technician, general, advanced, nor extra, has all of
the
answers.

If we learn to live together, we might *all* learn something.

Think about it, guys.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Amen, Jim! Thanks for the reminder. :-)

--
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
FISTS #9384
QRP ARCI #11782

Glad it worked for you, Jim. Now munge that email addy before the spam
overflows your box! :P



"JAMES HAMPTON" wrote:
Hello, Steve

Whilst you folks argue on, I'm going to personally thank Mopar (a CBer,
no less) for getting me info on accessing the newsgroups in a decent
fashion after giving up my DSL account.

No one, CB, novice, technician, general, advanced, nor extra, has all of
the answers.

If we learn to live together, we might *all* learn something.

Think about it, guys.

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote in message
...
(William) wrote in message
. com...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...
Riley is not a Extra class.

Dan/W4NTI

Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?"

Which of "several Extra's", Brain?

There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up a
quote.

Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

No one, CB, novice, technician, general, advanced, nor extra, has all of the
answers.

If we learn to live together, we might *all* learn something.

I agree 100%, Jim.

73 de Jim, N2EY

PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , "JAMES HAMPTON"
writes:

No one, CB, novice, technician, general, advanced, nor extra, has all of the
answers.

If we learn to live together, we might *all* learn something.

I agree 100%, Jim.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Yeh, right. Like the guys below wondering about the following ham's license class?

"What IS his problem?"

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From: N2EY )
Subject: Excellent ARRL proposal


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST


In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:
go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which
didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . .


And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed, there
were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on
Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked down
on Novices. Etc.

And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either.

Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last
year for the vote on approving his membership application into The
Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?)

You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll?

and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from
the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Well, what IS his problem?

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message m...
(William) wrote in message . com...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message ink.net...
Riley is not a Extra class.

Dan/W4NTI

Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?"

Which of "several Extra's", Brain?

There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up a quote.

Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

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From: N2EY )
Subject: Excellent ARRL proposal


View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST


In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:
go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which
didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . .


And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed, there
were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on
Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked down
on Novices. Etc.

And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either.

Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last
year for the vote on approving his membership application into The
Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?)

You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll?

and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from
the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Well, what IS his problem?

That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX
contesting.
They're "a bit competitive"....

Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX contesting.
Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he
only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4
years.

No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More than
4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said he
was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class
yet.
And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL"....

Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting....

Then as now, they were few - but noisy.

Maybe it was different where you were, Dan.

It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle
by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others.

Circle Game.

Dit-dit!

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: These EXTRA'S, Steve::: WHICH Extras, Brain?
From: (William)
Date: 10/20/2004 6:55 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
om...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...
Riley is not a Extra class.

Dan/W4NTI

Quote from several Extra's on RRAP, "So what's his problem?"

Which of "several Extra's", Brain?

There's only a few of us, so it can't be TOO hard to pony up a quote.

Re-quotes from posts, please? FACTS...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

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From: N2EY )
Subject: Excellent ARRL proposal


View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 2004-01-25 12:31:04 PST


In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(N2EY) wrote in message
...

In article ,

(Brian Kelly) writes:
go thru to get on the air. There were neighborhood radio clubs which
didn't allow full voting memberships to Novices and Techs . . .


And in the mid-60s there were still some who did similar things. Indeed,
there
were Advanceds who looked down on Generals, Generals who looked down on
Conditionals, Conditionals who looked down on Techs, and Techs who looked
down
on Novices. Etc.

And it wasn't just kids vs. adults, either.

Yessir, It's 2004 and it's **still** out there. Guy was up late last
year for the vote on approving his membership application into The
Group (the 43rd & Kingsessing "Group" we're both familair with yes?)

You mean the one where the attendance sheet looks like the DXCC Honor Roll?

and somebody asked "what license class does he have?" His sponser:
"Uhhh . . Advanced." Then he ducked. Immediate 180dBA noise level from
the Back Benchers, "what the hell is this guy's problem?"

Well, what IS his problem?

That group is heavily focused on DX and contesting - particularly DX
contesting.
They're "a bit competitive"....

Anything less than an Extra is a big competitive disadvantage in DX
contesting.
Like not being able to work split. So why doesn't the guy get one? Even if he
only works 'phone, all he need do is pass element 4. And he's had almost 4
years.

No, wait, that's not a good reason. Those writtens are really tough. More
than
4 years ago, (Jan 19, 2000, to be exact) a certain verbose nonham here said
he
was going for Extra "right out of the box". But no ham license of any class
yet.
And this nonham says he's a "radio PROFESSIONAL"....

Maybe he should apply to The Group. I'd like to attend that meeting....

Then as now, they were few - but noisy.

Maybe it was different where you were, Dan.

It's all just cycles Dan and the 1968 maneuver was not the first cycle
by any means and welcome to the current cycle. There will be others.

Circle Game.

Dit-dit!

Still nothing from one of "us"

It STILL does not answer your suggestion about "several Extras" in RRAP
suggesting that anything less than an Extra Class is "a problem".

The story relates the telling of some club some time ago wherein some
other group of people may have acted stupidly.

You have yet to quote Brian (W3RV), Hans, Jim, the other Jim, or myself,
among others, as having said anything close to "what's his problem" over not
being an Extra class licensee.

Where's the quotes, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ